declined Crisis drone rework

[Maf 32,328]

On 10/1/2021 at 3:15 AM, numericable said:

someone who got it, should be super excited and, should only play with it

This is implying that the UC-exclusive drone should be significantly better than the other easily available drones, which makes it direct P2W. Now, there's no denying that a number of features in Tanki are already P2W, but is that really the direction we want to head into even further?

Also, as a long time Crisis user, I can tell you that the drone is very powerful. Having virtually no cooldown (between activation of different supplies or after the supply runs out) and being able to pick the right supply needed at any given time is already a somewhat powerful ability, but add to that the fact that each supply is permanently boosted, and the speed boost giving an insane speed increase that cannot be achieved by any other means, and you got yourself a very versatile and fun drone.

Giving it double supplies instead of highest boosted speed would just make it stupidly OP and at the same time less fun.

[PirateSpider 1,491]

3 minutes ago, Maf said:

but add to that the fact that each supply is permanently boosted

Wait what? I didn't know that.

[Maf 32,328]

1 minute ago, PirateSpider said:

Wait what? I didn't know that.

Well, yeah. It's like Booster, Defender and Trickster, but the supply is boosted for the whole 30 seconds of its duration. In fact, it's impossible to have a non-boosted supply activated when you're using crisis (except when it rarely happens because of a bug). However, the crisis damage is weaker  than Booster's DD, armor is same as  Defender's DA, and speed boost is better than  Trickster's SB.

[numericable 2,375]

43 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

 

A potent done shouldn't be buffed just because you are not excelling with it.

At the same time, a super rare drone (crisis) should not be weaker than crystal drones (booster/defender), atleast, that's what the logic want but tanki doesnt have logic so it is ok. 

[Incorp 2,084]

27 minutes ago, numericable said:

At the same time, a super rare drone (crisis) should not be weaker than crystal drones (booster/defender), atleast, that's what the logic want but tanki doesnt have logic so it is ok. 

It should be balanced. I thought it wasn't balanced u till @Maf explained how it works. It shouldn't be supper OP like juggernaut

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

1 hour ago, numericable said:

At the same time, a super rare drone (crisis) should not be weaker than crystal drones (booster/defender), atleast, that's what the logic want but tanki doesnt have logic so it is ok. 

Why is this logical? Rarity should not necessary imply power. On the contrary, I think it is more fitting for rare items to be unique rather than powerful.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 hours ago, numericable said:

At the same time, a super rare drone (crisis) should not be weaker than crystal drones (booster/defender), atleast, that's what the logic want but tanki doesnt have logic so it is ok. 

It's not weaker - you are just not using it right.

Have already stated there are plenty of Crisis users topping the score-boards of battles.  How are they doing it with a "weaker" drone?  luck?

[NikmanGT 4,439]

Crisis drone is already at its mountain peak, which means it is PERFECT the way it. Ability to hold one supply at a time, but that supply gets a major boost in meaning.

Nerfing it would remove the uniqueness of this UC exotic item. Crisis works perfectly fine weather its mammoth or hopper (Yes flying hopper) , whether its railgun or isida.  It is a one-of-its-kind drone which subordinates booster, trickster and defender in general.

[wolverine848 13,097]

45 minutes ago, nikunj04 said:

Crisis drone is already at its mountain peak, which means it is PERFECT the way it. Ability to hold one supply at a time, but that supply gets a major boost in meaning.

Nerfing it would remove the uniqueness of this UC exotic item. Crisis works perfectly fine weather its mammoth or hopper (Yes flying hacks) , whether its railgun or isida.  It is a one-of-its-kind drone which subordinates booster, trickster and defender in general.

Well that's your opinion - which is certainly not held by everyone.

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

I always find it funny when people think Crisis is the most broken drone in the game when there's the main 3, Booster, Defender, and Trickster. Obviously, I'm not denying the potency of Crisis, but you should go up against either of these with Crisis. More often than not, you will lose regardless of what you do.

At its core, Crisis is a extreme risk, high reward drone, whereas the other three have little to no risk involved with about the same tier of rewards involved. I would say that before nerfing or tweaking Crisis, it would be better to tone down the other 3 first, since at the moment they really just require no skill at all and give crazy results.

[numericable 2,375]

8 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

It's not weaker - you are just not using it right.

Have already stated there are plenty of Crisis users topping the score-boards of battles.  How are they doing it with a "weaker" drone?  luck?

I dont think you have ever tried crisis, as i said it is an over rated drone, lot of people actually want it thinking it is good but it result for taking dust in the garage, many players are in the same situation as me (boris4311, RIDDLER_8 i can say way more) Why do you think boris is playing booster over crisis when he plays magnum , a long charging weapon? Once again, crisis is weaker than booster yes, and booster/defender are crystal drones. Those people you say that get at the top of the leaderboard, that is clearly off-topic because i didn't said simply it is a weak drone, but i said it is weaker than booster/defender, that means if they get 500 scores with crisis, they would probably getting 550-600 scores with booster, i, myself, is very good with crisis but just better with booster because it can hold lot of supplies. Once again, it is an over rated drone, i would like you to test in in test server once it would be available, sometimes, theory doesnt do everything, you have to do experience with it to get a real opinion and see that it is weaker THAN booster/defender, (not weak in general.)

 

2 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

I always find it funny when people think Crisis is the most broken drone in the game when there's the main 3, Booster, Defender, and Trickster. Obviously, I'm not denying the potency of Crisis, but you should go up against either of these with Crisis. More often than not, you will lose regardless of what you do.

At its core, Crisis is a extreme risk, high reward drone, whereas the other three have little to no risk involved with about the same tier of rewards involved. I would say that before nerfing or tweaking Crisis, it would be better to tone down the other 3 first, since at the moment they really just require no skill at all and give crazy results.

I already said that either they should nerf all those three, OR buff crisis (if you read the change i made to crisis, it is clearly a buff rather than a nerf. But as a long time crisis owner, i would like to play with it, but not in its current form which i find some other drones better. Even some legend 500 thinks like me, what is think is that players that play for performances would just booster drone and players that just play for fun will go crisis if they own it.

[numericable 2,375]

9 hours ago, ThirdOnion said:

Why is this logical? Rarity should not necessary imply power. On the contrary, I think it is more fitting for rare items to be unique rather than powerful.

in economy, when demand is high but supply is low, the product has better quality, which is why everyone wants it.  In tanki, this is transcribed with some OP equipment, being unique?  meh, average people dont want things because they are unique but because they are good and would make their performances better (good in tanki means OP with all those other OP equipment). If uniqueness would be the only criteria, people would get bored quickly. This should imply also in tanki online, not only irl.

[Blutchidoo 508]

I'm just curious, @numericable. Do you have Crisis?

[Incorp 2,084]

1 hour ago, Blutchidoo said:

I'm just curious, @numericable. Do you have Crisis?

If you read all the posts in this topic you would find that he indeed won it from ultra containers a long time ago.

[numericable 2,375]

19 minutes ago, Incorp said:

If you read all the posts in this topic you would find that he indeed won it from ultra containers recently.

Not recently, i got it in june 2020

[Incorp 2,084]

1 minute ago, numericable said:

Not recently, i got it in june 2020

What are you talking about?

Spoiler

Okay, okay, I edited my post

 

[numericable 2,375]

1 hour ago, Blutchidoo said:

I'm just curious, @numericable. Do you have Crisis?

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/superman12365

Ofc i have it maxed out, i dont talk about it without knowing its powers. Profile says i used it 0,3 hours, that is the time for drone to recharge, i used it for atleast 5 real hours. Enough to have an opinion about it.

[wolverine848 13,097]

7 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

I always find it funny when people think Crisis is the most broken drone in the game when there's the main 3, Booster, Defender, and Trickster. Obviously, I'm not denying the potency of Crisis, but you should go up against either of these with Crisis. More often than not, you will lose regardless of what you do.

At its core, Crisis is a extreme risk, high reward drone, whereas the other three have little to no risk involved with about the same tier of rewards involved. I would say that before nerfing or tweaking Crisis, it would be better to tone down the other 3 first, since at the moment they really just require no skill at all and give crazy results.

It's unstoppable for what it does best - stealing flags when combined with Hopper.

It ruins the CTF battlemode.

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 hours ago, numericable said:

in economy, when demand is high but supply is low, the product has better quality, which is why everyone wants it.  In tanki, this is transcribed with some OP equipment, being unique?  meh, average people dont want things because they are unique but because they are good and would make their performances better (good in tanki means OP with all those other OP equipment). If uniqueness would be the only criteria, people would get bored quickly. This should imply also in tanki online, not only irl.

Have you seen the price of some of the paints?  And some only available via containers.

Are the paints OP?

And your definition of "good" = OP?     LOL

[numericable 2,375]

37 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Have you seen the price of some of the paints?  And some only available via containers.

Are the paints OP?

And your definition of "good" = OP?     LOL

Your argument is irrelevant because crisis isn't available for tankoins so you can't compared its rarity with some high priced shop paint.

On top of that, developers want to get money from non- pay2win items to reduce the gap, if they would make money only on pay2win items, no f2p players would left, now atleast because of this current system, there are some f2p players, still.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 hours ago, numericable said:

Your argument is irrelevant because crisis isn't available for tankoins so you can't compared its rarity with some high priced shop paint.

On top of that, developers want to get money from non- pay2win items to reduce the gap, if they would make money only on pay2win items, no f2p players would left, now atleast because of this current system, there are some f2p players, still.

You missed the point.  But I'm not surprised.    

[numericable 2,375]

40 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

You missed the point.  But I'm not surprised.    

I did not miss anything, i'm talking straight fact. You do post irrelevant responses, but i forgive you, because you seems to be a forum hater everywhere not only here). Paint are simple esthetic items, in no way they can affect the gameplay, but if they could do it like in the past (2016) ofc paint would be OP either. Developers already said that paints would be only esthetic. Something really rare, that isn't esthetic is OP, that's the logic. (Paladin, Armadillo etc -> each items that can potentially upgrade your tank is OP if it is rare) Now, you can't really say that a specific paint is really rare because there are ton of paints so you will difficultly encounter the same paints again and again, that why you think they are rare (in fact its just because there are tons of paints so you dont see the same too often), that's not the same with crisis because they are few drones but the crisis drone isnt used frequently, this is rare . Basically, if you did not make it, paints are not rare but expensive and the large amount of them create a "rarity based on each tanker use a different paints because there are plenty of them" , expensive doesnt imply OPness. Crisis is rare, you can get it only if you are super lucky, so it must be OP. Would you try to get a super rare drone only because it is original but not really good? The answer is no. Bye

[wolverine848 13,097]

8 minutes ago, numericable said:

I did not miss anything, i'm talking straight fact. You do post irrelevant responses, but i forgive you.

Facts in your head maybe.

Calling other ppls statements irrelevant just because you don't agree with them does not make it so.

Maybe you should just learn how to use Crisis better.  Try that for starters.

[numericable 2,375]

9 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Facts in your head maybe.

Calling other ppls statements irrelevant just because you don't agree with them does not make it so.

Maybe you should just learn how to use Crisis better.  Try that for starters.

I did not miss anything, i'm talking straight fact. You do post irrelevant responses, but i forgive you, because you seems to be a forum hater everywhere not only here). Paint are simple esthetic items, in no way they can affect the gameplay, but if they could do it like in the past (2016) ofc paint would be OP either. Developers already said that paints would be only esthetic. Something really rare, that isn't esthetic is OP, that's the logic. (Paladin, Armadillo etc -> each items that can potentially upgrade your tank is OP if it is rare) Now, you can't really say that a specific paint is really rare because there are ton of paints so you will difficultly encounter the same paints again and again, that why you think they are rare (in fact its just because there are tons of paints so you dont see the same too often), that's not the same with crisis because they are few drones but the crisis drone isnt used frequently, this is rare . Basically, if you did not make it, paints are not rare but expensive and the large amount of them create a "rarity based on each tanker use a different paints because there are plenty of them" , expensive doesnt imply OPness. Crisis is rare, you can get it only if you are super lucky, so it must be OP. Would you try to get a super rare drone only because it is original but not really good? The answer is no. Bye

[numericable 2,375]

12 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Facts in your head maybe.

Calling other ppls statements irrelevant just because you don't agree with them does not make it so.

Maybe you should just learn how to use Crisis better.  Try that for starters.

And once again, i can get super super high score with crisis BUT each times, i would have got better with booster, check boris4311, why do you think he uses booster over crisis? Really not to brag, but i never saw a crisis user get better score than me but i already saw defender/booster users getting better scores, so my judgement is based on several criteria. Sometimes theory doesnt do everything, if one day you would have it, you would see by yourself that booster defender are better.