event eSports Tanki Fund. TankiSport 2021 Season IV

[Incorp 2,084]

When the fund reaches 15 million tankoins:

[Crip 4,735]

So if I buy the Bronze offer, I'll get Crisis same as everybody else if the fund reaches the highest level?

 

Seems a bit confusing to be honest.

[numericable 2,375]

21 minutes ago, Savage said:

So if I buy the Bronze offer, I'll get Crisis same as everybody else if the fund reaches the highest level?

 

Seems a bit confusing to be honest.

The devs said in the screen ive posted that you ha e to  e selected by the randomizer while the CM said the opposite so no one really know for not

[tank7 320]

@Marcus  Many players are confused that if someone buys a bundle, what are they guaranteed to win? I assume that whatever level has been reached by the fund, that much rewards will be given to everyone who got any bundle whereas only the tankoin fund will be distributed using randomizer . Kindly confirm if this is the case ?

[Marcus 17,295]

2 hours ago, numericable said:

https://imgur.com/a/F2YFJte

Guys i have found the catch, in several comment under the tanki vlog, they explain that in order to win all prizes, you have to be selected by the randomizer, so if the fund reach 15M you won't get crisis, to get it, you have to buy any bundle AND be selected by the randomizer. Atleast, that's what they said, i would like to have a confirmation.

That's wrong.

You only need to be selected by the randomizer to get TANKOINS.

To get prizes from levels, you only need to purchase any of the three special bundles.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

1 hour ago, Savage said:

So if I buy the Bronze offer, I'll get Crisis same as everybody else if the fund reaches the highest level?

 

Seems a bit confusing to be honest.

That's correct, any of the 3 offers purchased, makes you enter the giveaway as well as for the chance to obtain rare items - Armadillo and Crisis.

 

[Marcus 17,295]

2 hours ago, numericable said:

https://imgur.com/a/F2YFJte

Guys i have found the catch, in several comment under the tanki vlog, they explain that in order to win all prizes, you have to be selected by the randomizer, so if the fund reach 15M you won't get crisis, to get it, you have to buy any bundle AND be selected by the randomizer. Atleast, that's what they said, i would like to have a confirmation.

[numericable 2,375]

30 minutes ago, Marcus said:

Mea culpa, seems like the developers were mistaken, so this is a really good offer without downsides lol

[emrakul 7,801]

18 hours ago, Niklas said:

nope, the first one is 1k tankoins, second one 6k tankoins and the last one 15k tankoins

 

something ain't right... where is the catch to this?

There is no catch except there is... Depends what you consider a catch. You've already answered it btw, it's the cost of silver bundle.

Let me explain by comparing it with last tankisport fund.

Last time you could buy a bundle any number of times, and it always costed 1k tk, added 1k tk and gave you 15UC. Now let's say you bought 8 bundles, so you had 8 "tickets" or 8 chances to win. Since the total fund was equal to number of bundles bought multiplied by 1000 tk, and for each 8000tk there was one winner picked, every "ticket" had a 1 in 8 chance to win. Since you had 8 tickets, you statistically had a 100% chance to win. Now, this is just average chance, the trick is you could still win or lose, but if you bought many, many bundles, you had higher chance to break even. Why break even tho - the prize you got were 15 UC per bundle bought, since on average, you were getting all your tankoins back.

Now, what about this time?

First of all, I'm not going to talk about the gold bundle, it's limited and too expensive for average players, it probably won't be bought in huge amount.

Bronze and silver are more important. So, similarly to last fund, you can buy a 1k bundle, which adds 1k to fund and gives you 1 "ticket". However, this time there is pretty much nothing in this bundle, just some supplies. Also, you can only buy it once, so it means you HAVE to take the high chance of losing 1k or low chance of winning 8k (it's not 1 in 8 chance tho, I'll explain why). Now, the silver bundle, this one should cost 6k and add 3k to fund, while giving you 50 UC. If I compare this with UC price, which is 80tk per UC (20k tk bundle available in shop right now), these 50UC at 80tk each would cost 4000 tankoins, out of bundle's 6k price. So you are left with 2k tankoins spent on buying 1 "ticket", which will however add 3k tankoins to fund. Now, this calculation depends on what price of UC you use, it's not very accurate. If you were to use the price of UC right now in shop, it's 130tk per UC, or 6500 for 50, which is more expensive than buying silver bundle.

So where is the catch, you can buy either bronze bundle and collect loads of free stuff for reaching fund milestones, or buy UC with silver bundle for even cheaper prize than in shop (well depends, but it's still good deal I guess).

Milestones are (or can be) the catch. You need 15m tankoins in fund for everyone to get these prizes. There are two options - either 15k accounts buy bronze bundle, or if less than 15k players decide to buy it, there there need to be some players who will buy one or multiple silver bundles. Now, by buying silver bundle, you are buying a "ticket" for 2k tankoins (you can read the calculation I've done previously, I'm going to use the 80tk/UC price) which is already double the price of first bundle, however, you also add 3k tankoins to fund.

I think it's best if I explain this with 2 extreme situations:

Spoiler

Everyone buys only 1k bundle and only 1 silver bundle is bought, assume fund reaches 15m

The silver bundle has almost no impact on players who bought 1k, as it only added extra +2k tankoins, in total of 15m, which is 0.013% (read as nothing).

Math simple - 10% of fund goes to esport players, 90% stay in fund for players. From these 90%, every 8k there is 1 winner picked. That effectively means 1 in 8.89 chance to win 8k

For everyone who bought 1k bundle, they have this 1 in 8.89 chance to win 8k, while paying 1k tk

For the one person who bought silver bundle, he has 1 in 8.89 chance to win 8k aswell, but he paid 2k tk for the "ticket". So he either loses DOUBLE, or wins the same amount (actually, he profits only 6k, not 7k, so it's even less.)

Spoiler

Only one person buys 1k bundle and everyone else buys only silver bundles (doesn't matter if one or more per person), fund also reaches over 15m

Now this time, the person buying 1k bundle has almost no impact on the silver bundle buyers, bla bla same math like the first scenario.

Math again simple - 10% of fund bye bye, 90% stays. But this time it's slightly different chance to "win".

So, every "ticket" costs 2k, and adds 2700 (90% of 3k) to fund. That means every 2.96 tickets there will be one winner, or 1 in 2.96 chance to win 8k, while spending 2k.

Win - 1 in 2.96 chance, 8k won (6k profit)

Lose - 1.96 in 2.96 chance, 2k lost.

But hold on, the one person who bought bronze bundle also gets 1 in 2.96 chance to win 8k, but he will profit 7k instead, or 1.96 in 2.96 chance to lose, and losing only 1k.

Now, let's compare the results for both bundle buyers:

Bronze bundle: Worst chance 1 in 8.89, 7k profit. Best chance: 1 in 2.96, 7k profit.

Silver bundle: Worst chance 1 in 8.89, 6k profit. Best chance: 1 in 2.96, 6k profit.

Every other possible situation will give a chance somewhere between these 2 scenarios.

Silver bundle buyers have little impact on chance if there are only a few of them bought, and if there are many bought, they do have higher chance to win and in fact, make "free tankoins" (which is not true btw, since you forget that you already compulsorily spent extra 4k on 50UC per "ticket"). If I were to use 3k price for UC included in silver bundle, the "free tankoins" would disappear, and if you'd assume that the UC in silver bundle add no value to it, then you spent 6k for 3k in fund, which means in worst case you have 7.89 in 8.89 chance to lose 6k tankoins, or 1 in 8.89 chance to win 8k (but you only profit 2k). You see how bad are these chance, if you don't care about 50UC included in silver bundle.

On the other hand, bronze bundle buyers have either 1 in 8.89 chance to win 8k (which still isn't "100%" return rate like last time), but if there would be many silver bundle buyers, then suddenly, their chance to win can rise up to 1 in 2.96 chance to win, while they still only spent 1k tankoins. From 1 in 8.89 (11%) to 1 in 2.96 (34%). Now it's obviously not going to happen, as many people will buy bronze bundles rather than silver, but every silver bundle bought raises your chance to win 8k tankoins if you bought just one bronze bundle, while buying silver bundles is not worth it, if your goal is to gamble for more tankoins. However, if you wanna buy some UC at quite a good price, while you don't mind taking a risk on return of your tankoins, then you might wanna buy silver bundle(s). In worst case, you are still buying UC cheaper than using the normal UC offers in shop.

Now, realistically, is it worth for you? If you don't have 4th slot, have the tankoins for buying bronze bundle, and want to get 4th slot, this is THE BEST offer you were given so far.

If the fund reaches further milestones, and you don't have armadillo and crisis yet (or multiple protection slots, if you only have one), and want to get armadillo/crisis/more slots, then buying bronze bundle is even MORE worth it.

However, if you already own 4 protection slots, armadillo and crisis, then the only reward you are getting are possibly 15 UC (and normal ones), 3 skins conts and a low chance to win back 8k tankoins, in which case buying bronze bundle depends on your preferences, if you consider these rewards worth 1k tankoins, or if you wanna save them for something else.

15UC for 1k is however still good price, so if you consider this a purchase of 15UC for 1k tankoins and are fine with it, then go ahead.

Silver bundle - buy if you want the paints or if you wanna buy more UC at quite a good price, however, you are boosting chance of bronze bundles getting 8k, at your cost.

Similar to this is also gold bundle, it offers 150UC at better price than silver bundle, but you are paying even more tankoins for a single "ticket", while boosting the chance of bronze (and silver too I guess) bundle buyers to win something. Again, buy if you want quite cheap UC, and more specifically, if you want those shot effects.

Conclusion - this event is insane for free to play players (or light buyers) who accumulated 990 tankoins to buy the bronze bundle, as they are most likely going to get the best value out of this whole thing, while still having a low chance to get quite rich. That is, if these players want more protection slots, armadillo or crisis (and some containers). It's also quite good for bigger buyers who plan to buy UC, they get an ok price for UC, but silver bundle purchase boosts value of bronze bundles, more than it benefits the silver bundle. For big buyers, gold bundle might be worth it, depending on it's price and what you think is worth it.

I will personally probably stick only with bronze bundle, maybe also with silver, depending on the number of silver bundles bought so far. (however, I already own all the good prizes, so it's not really worth it, I'll take 3 skins conts and some UC for 1k tho, still good price). I'm quite sad that the 1k bundle is limited to 1 only, since the first bundle already gives you the main prize from fund milestones.

1 hour ago, riyady said:

*** The participants of the giveaway are the players selected by the randomizer among those who bought the event special offers. If a player has bought several offers, there is a chance that he will be included in the list of winners several times and will be able to receive several parts of the fund. **

The participants should be the players only not admins/YT accounts that has million tankoins that can get them 3 wins,  this isn't how lottery works they aren't spending actual money to get this tankoins while normal players has to buy the tankoins and they get a lesser chance of winning because last time you did this fund I have spent actual money to buy 5k tks and bought the offers 5 times and didn't win,  don't call me unlucky while someone with YT account wins 4 times and it's an already maxed account and he doesn't even need them, so don't allow admins or YTers to take part at this fund or lottery because it's unfair they spend 0$ and win but they don't need it while we spend around 20$ for an average participant and don't win while we regret taking part at this lottery , make it fair this time and read every winner's name and if it has EN_YT or YT or admins you know , remove them and replace them with other players who need it.

Actually, despite the fact you may think these accounts made you lose tankoins, it's not true. The number of winners was determined based on number of bundles bought. So if a youtuber bought for example 80 offers, they added 80 000 tankoins to the fund, which added +10 winners, and they had 80 times 12.5% chance to win 8000 tankoins. It is probably hard to understand, but all it means is simple. They added 80 000 tankoins, and they most likely (on average) also won 80 000 tankoins, meaning they didn't take anything from you, they just won back what they spent. You still had the same chance to win, or lose, regardless of who, or how much they bought. These tankoins, which they didn't spend real money for, were added to the fund, and also taken out of it.

Perfectly balanced.

Moreover, tanki had an extra drawing, from all the participants who didn't win in first draw, so they had extra chance to win! (which IMO wasn't necessary, but it was nice that they decided to do this, since they literally gave away quite a lot of free tankoins, which players didn't pay for)

[Okami 3,041]

3 hours ago, numericable said:

https://imgur.com/a/F2YFJte

Guys i have found the catch, in several comment under the tanki vlog, they explain that in order to win all prizes, you have to be selected by the randomizer, so if the fund reach 15M you won't get crisis, to get it, you have to buy any bundle AND be selected by the randomizer. Atleast, that's what they said, i would like to have a confirmation.

Pretty sure they’re just talking about the Tankoins. 
 

EDIT: Late. 

Edited December 4, 2021 by GrayWolf8733

[readyfireaim 369]

13 minutes ago, emrakul said:

There is no catch except there is... Depends what you consider a catch. You've already answered it btw, it's the cost of silver bundle.

Thank you very much for typing all of this out. It really makes a lot of sense.

Now I am realizing... I had 700-800 tankions... I might have been able to get the 990 I needed to buy the Bronze bundle... but I bought the Battle Pass with Vampire Nanobots instead. This is a big oof.

A very big oof.

Oh well. Disappointing, but I'll get over it. Good luck y'all.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

@Marcus, sorry for the ping, but if I am understanding correctly, if I buy like for example, the 

On 12/3/2021 at 4:15 AM, Marcus said:

Special offer «Bronze»:

• 1 Nuclear Energy 

• 300 Repair kits

• 300 units of Boosted Damage

• 300 units of Boosted Armor

• 300 units of Speed Boost

• 300 Mines

• 300 Batteries

offer, and the fund reaches level 15, I can get Crisis as well? Guaranteed*?

Edited December 4, 2021 by yellowghetto

[NO97_STYLES 18]

5 hours ago, riyady said:

**Every time a million Tankoins are added to the Tanki fund, it will level up, and everyone who bought at least one special offer will receive additional prizes**

which part of EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT AT LEAST ONE SPECIAL OFFER WILL RECEIVE ADDITIONAL PRIZES.  It's already confirmed by the community manager Marcus . So if you buy a bundle with 1k tankoins and the tankoins fund gets more than 15M  tankoins you get crisis and lot of conts and protection module unlocked. Can't you see that they're desperate to give you this items now, first the day of the dead event in which obtaining crisis and paladin XT was easy if you just hunt golds and get 400 lolipops at least . So I'm expecting this game to die soon if they're so desperate to give an overpowered drone for more money.

on top of that crisis paladin combo,, there are 700-800 tk which gives free ticket to those ppl in this event , so a free 4th slot and armadillo added to the meal

[NO97_STYLES 18]

the fund is in the buyers' hands,, they can choose to leave the lucky f2p guys with 1k + tk without the armadillo or crisis,, or continue their normal session as in every event and contest

[Iron_Man 2,376]

1 hour ago, yellowghetto said:

@Marcus, sorry for the ping, but if I am understanding correctly, if I buy like for example, the 

offer, and the fund reaches level 15, I can get Crisis as well? Guaranteed*?

Yes.

It sounds too good to be true but that's the truth. Regardless of what bundle you buy you get the prizes when tanki fund levels up.

If the fund reaches 15M you get armadillo, crisis, 3 skin containers, protection slots and a lot more goodies all at the price of 1000 tankoins(the bronze deal costs about 1000 tankoins, or to be a bit more precise around 900 tankoins).

[yellowghetto 3,206]

2 hours ago, Iron_Man said:

Yes.

It sounds too good to be true but that's the truth. Regardless of what bundle you buy you get the prizes when tanki fund levels up.

If the fund reaches 15M you get armadillo, crisis, 3 skin containers, protection slots and a lot more goodies all at the price of 1000 tankoins(the bronze deal costs about 1000 tankoins, or to be a bit more precise around 900 tankoins).

I asked because these are Tanki Devs we are talking about. They may go back on their word because it's too generous.

[lssimo 1,559]

17 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

I asked because these are Tanki Devs we are talking about. They may go back on their word because it's too generous.

I'm having doubts about the Sloths, but Crisis at level 15 I believe is true.

Now, will it reach Level 15?

Level 10?

Level 8?

[Iron_Man 2,376]

Just now, yellowghetto said:

I asked because these are Tanki Devs we are talking about. They may go back on their word because it's too generous.

Well, who knows they might have listened to people's feedback.

Personally I love this. Even in the worst case I can get 4th module slot for 1000 tankoins. Now that's a freaking awesome deal.

I only hope that this fund reaches 15 M, for personal benefit though. I love crisis.

But

But on a general perspective, so many people getting crisis and armadillo is not something I really like.

3 hours ago, NO97_STYLES said:

the fund is in the buyers' hands,, they can choose to leave the lucky f2p guys with 1k + tk without the armadillo or crisis,, or continue their normal session as in every event and contest

Not really in the hands of buyers, my friend.

A lot of non-buyers, I know, have 1000 tankoins. Now all we need is for 15000 people to buy the bronze deal and voila, mission accomplished.

At first I was quite doubtful when Marcus said that he was 99% sure that the fund would reach 15M but after a little bit of math, I saw that it was quite possible, mainly thanks to the bronze bundle being priced affordably. I trust numbers and math more than anything else.

6 hours ago, emrakul said:

 

I agree with you.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

14 minutes ago, lssimo said:

I'm having doubts about the Sloths, but Crisis at level 15 I believe is true.

Now, will it reach Level 15?

Level 10?

Level 8?

15 is all I hope for....

[numericable 2,375]

2 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

15 is all I hope for....

 

2 hours ago, Iron_Man said:

Well, who knows they might have listened to people's feedback.

Personally I love this. Even in the worst case I can get 4th module slot for 1000 tankoins. Now that's a freaking awesome deal.

I only hope that this fund reaches 15 M, for personal benefit though. I love crisis.

But

But on a general perspective, so many people getting crisis and armadillo is not something I really like.

Not really in the hands of buyers, my friend.

A lot of non-buyers, I know, have 1000 tankoins. Now all we need is for 15000 people to buy the bronze deal and voila, mission accomplished.

At first I was quite doubtful when Marcus said that he was 99% sure that the fund would reach 15M but after a little bit of math, I saw that it was quite possible, mainly thanks to the bronze bundle being priced affordably. I trust numbers and math more than anything else.

I agree with you.

Dont forget that last times we reached 10M tankoins WITH en_yt, YT accounts which had infinite amount of tankoins, so 10M with them might be 8M-9M without them, this said, big buyers have already armadillo and crisis, so they could "boycott" this event so these items they would remain exclusive to them. On the other hand, last time, there wasn't that level system, so players are encouraged to buy now so im quite mitiged. If buyer wants non- buyers to get their toys (crisis armadillo), fund would reach 15M, if they dont want, they would boycott this as they already own everything, so thats why i already proposed to add mysterious red shot effect for vulcan or violeNt gauss so they would get something.

Also, it is not likely for non- buyers to get 1k tankoins atleast, most of them could not resist their envies to get vampire isida in challenge or EMP gauss or any other OP equipment. So, less than 10% of non buyers could get it. 

Edited December 5, 2021 by numericable

[Marcus 17,295]

13 hours ago, yellowghetto said:

@Marcus, sorry for the ping, but if I am understanding correctly, if I buy like for example, the 

offer, and the fund reaches level 15, I can get Crisis as well? Guaranteed*?

Yes

[yellowghetto 3,206]

1 minute ago, Marcus said:

Yes

Thanks! <3

[Marcus 17,295]

43 minutes ago, numericable said:

 

Dont forget that last times we reached 10M tankoins WITH en_yt, YT accounts which had infinite amount of tankoins, so 10M with them might be 8M-9M without them

YT's part of the previous Tanki Fund was 400k tankoins.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

Let's go non-buyers, and buyers. We can do this together.

Extra Module slots and Skin Containers benefits everyone!

[numericable 2,375]

18 minutes ago, Marcus said:

YT's part of the previous Tanki Fund was 400k tankoins.

400k tankoins is still alot, i think the fund would reach level 13 this time max. But i hope im wrong

Edited December 5, 2021 by numericable