event eSports Tanki Fund. TankiSport 2021 Season IV

[brainhoo 735]

27 minutes ago, numericable said:

Yes, even last time max was at level 10 with the participation of YT account for 400k tankoins so without them, fund reached 9,6M at max.

Also, i think many people would wait the end the see the max level and if they like the levels it gets, they will spend their 1k tankoins, but if every non buyer thinks like this and wait for the last minute to purchase the 1k bundle, the fund wouldnt grow so much and so on, many players would not use them xD 

Moreover, i think they shouldn't give 10% of the fund to the esport players because they dont need those 10% more than the players, they didnt participate it to get 10% of it, and most of the time, they have maxed garage(the top 3 clan) so why would they receive 10%, also, these top 3 clans can choose specific augments, receive tons of crystals and so on. But even with all those rewards, if tanki would want to give them 10% those 10% should not be deducted from the original tanki fund. Lets say tanki fund reach 15M at end, tanki would give them 1,5M tankoins (10% but not from the fund) and players would receive 100%

Once the fund reaches level 2, ie 2 mil tankoins, I will cast in my 990 tankoins. It will already be worth it. Anything else to me is a Christmas present.

[Incorp 2,084]

1 minute ago, brainhoo said:

Once the fund reaches level 2, ie 2 mil tankoins, I will cast in my 990 tankoins. It will already be worth it. Anything else to me is a Christmas present.

Wait, isn't an offer 1k tankoins or something? 

[Marcus 17,295]

11 hours ago, lssimo said:

but on that I'd like a confirmation by one of the @Devs (nick available) 

I confirm. You shouldn't expect a response from anyone else as CMs are the devs who talk to players.

If a CM says something, that's what the company says 

[brainhoo 735]

12 minutes ago, Incorp said:

Wait, isn't an offer 1k tankoins or something? 

The Special offer «Bronze» which costs 990 tankoins. (see 3:31 in the tanki online vlog) Its still important for me to be 100% sure that we get to level 2. The fund is currently closing in on half a million

Edited December 6, 2021 by brainhoo

[numericable 2,375]

22 minutes ago, brainhoo said:

Once the fund reaches level 2, ie 2 mil tankoins, I will cast in my 990 tankoins. It will already be worth it. Anything else to me is a Christmas present.

I will buy it only if it reach the first skin container, as the only skin i'm missing is hornet legacy, then i will own every skin from skin containers, i wonder after that what will i get from the 2 other skins, is it 500 tankoins X2 (1k)?

[Spy 14,687]

3 minutes ago, numericable said:

I will buy it only if it reach the first skin container, as the only skin i'm missing is hornet legacy, then i will own every skin from skin containers, i wonder after that what will i get from the 2 other skins, is it 500 tankoins X2 (1k)?

If you own all the skins available from skin containers, you get 500 tankoins for each skin container you get.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

Let's Go guys we can do it ^^

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

1 hour ago, brainhoo said:

The Special offer «Bronze» which costs 990 tankoins. (see 3:31 in the tanki online vlog) Its still important for me to be 100% sure that we get to level 2. The fund is currently closing in on half a million

Logical thinking as ever :P I was also going to do the same, however I have already spent my tankoins on all 3 accounts that had enough - since I was concerned that the devs may suddenly announce an increase in the price of the Bronze offer since the value was too good  Also because I think it is nearly impossible that the fund won't reach 2 million within the 2 week period - it seems we are on track to reach the 2 million either today or tomorrow so hopefully that will be the case lol.

 

2 hours ago, numericable said:

Yes, even last time max was at level 10 with the participation of YT account for 400k tankoins so without them, fund reached 9,6M at max.

Also, i think many people would wait the end the see the max level and if they like the levels it gets, they will spend their 1k tankoins, but if every non buyer thinks like this and wait for the last minute to purchase the 1k bundle, the fund wouldnt grow so much and so on, many players would not use them xD 

Moreover, i think they shouldn't give 10% of the fund to the esport players because they dont need those 10% more than the players, they didnt participate it to get 10% of it, and most of the time, they have maxed garage(the top 3 clan) so why would they receive 10%, also, these top 3 clans can choose specific augments, receive tons of crystals and so on. But even with all those rewards, if tanki would want to give them 10% those 10% should not be deducted from the original tanki fund. Lets say tanki fund reach 15M at end, tanki would give them 1,5M tankoins (10% but not from the fund) and players would receive 100%

I find it difficult to guess how high the fund will go this time. I think the incentive for free players and low-end buyers to buy in with the 1k tankoins offer this time is VASTLY higher than it was last time, for obvious reasons, and that could drive the fund high - although it remains to be seen what effect that will have. I am not sure if the incentive for big buyers, with the Silver and Gold bundles, is as high as last time or not. It could be more, it could be less - I'm really not sure. But if the fund reaches even the first Skin container stage (Or perhaps even the 15 ultra containers stage) the Bronze bundle starts to become insanely good value even for big buyers.

Once we reach the 2nd skin container stage, (since you get 500 tankoins back if you have all skins, from a skin container) the Bronze bundle becomes literally free for players who have all skins, and at the 3rd skin container stage it literally gives such players tankoins. And if you don't have all skins, getting a guaranteed skin or two plus all the Ultras and containers, and chance to win the giveaway is well worth it. So I think almost all players who can afford it buying at least the Bronze offer is going to happen. The real question is about how many buy Silver and Gold.

I don't really want to guess if we will end up with much less in the fund than last time, or much more, but level 2+ is good enough for me anyway. With so many buying Bronze, it could end up more than the 10 million last time - let's see.

...And as for your point about the eSports players, I agree. The idea to get to "support" eSports players with tankoins is nice, but the penalty here is too high. Most of them will already be very rich, and will already be getting good rewards from the tournament - while taking 10% away from the fund may discourage big buyers from contributing. Either scrapping the 10% or giving the eSports players "free" tankoins would work better I would say, even for Alternativa themselves, as I think then buyers would have more incentive if they were getting more tankoins back. Sorry eSports players!
 

25 minutes ago, nikunj04 said:

Let's Go guys we can do it ^^

The People's Crisis! Crisis for every man, woman and child - let's go :) (Or perhaps, the people's 4th module at least lol). Making good progress so far.

Edited December 6, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[NikmanGT 4,362]

2 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

The People's Crisis! Crisis for every man, woman and child - let's go :) (Or perhaps, the people's 4th module at least lol). Making good progress so far.

Yeah!  We want everyone to show the same motivation 

[lssimo 1,559]

13 hours ago, IMPULSE-WARRIOR said:

To get armadillo and upgrade thru the MKs, THEN max it out at MK7 will cost you millions (and I do mean millions) of cry.

Just another ploy by the devs to get you spending cash, which you will have to do in order to get the cry to upgrade it to a level that helps out in battle, especially playing against high G/S legends.

If the jammer immunity is correct for hyperion, that again is just a ploy by the devs to get players to acquire it and upgrade it, again costing you a couple of million in cry at the very least.

With regards to hyperion.The devs are doing this because this supposedly high end drone has proven to be very useless against the huge amount of augments, crits, stun, emp gimmicks blighting the game. They had to do something to rescue it from obscurity and this is how they are going about it.

I find it amusing that so many players play right into their hands every time. Buff, nerf, buff, nerf, re-work, OP update, nerf, buff something else, then nerf it after it's cash value has run its course, another OP update (ultra only) then nerf it, then buff something else, then maybe another re-work, then more nerfs and buffs as they see fit, whichever gets them more cash and "like we care what players think" cash rules so stop your whining and just keep buying. 

I'm pretty sure in the case of the 4th Sloth they can't nerf that one any further than they already did nerfing modules.

They may change the pricing thought, because 5k Toins for the 4th Sloth is basically impossible for many.

Right now it's the pricing of the Sloths that makes the 4th Sloth very valuable.

Edited December 6, 2021 by lssimo

[numericable 2,375]

The event take place during 13 whole days, so we need to get atleast an average of 1,1M tankoins per day to reach 15M at the end and the crisis drone. If we are the first day, and basically the 1st day is the most "hyped" one for buying bundles, if the fund is 740k by now, we can assume it would reach maybe 1,6M at the end of the day. Then, other days will be worse (except for maybe saturday)

[PsychoBoogie 1]

So If I buy any of these bundle before the event ends, will I get all the rewards of each level or not?
Like if I buy one bundle after it crosses 3M, will I get the level 1, 2 and 3 reward? or just the upcoming rewards from level 4 

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

33 minutes ago, numericable said:

The event take place during 13 whole days, so we need to get atleast an average of 1,1M tankoins per day to reach 15M at the end and the crisis drone. If we are the first day, and basically the 1st day is the most "hyped" one for buying bundles, if the fund is 740k by now, we can assume it would reach maybe 1,6M at the end of the day. Then, other days will be worse (except for maybe saturday)

That could be true, although also I think there is a possibility that we could see more buy-ins once we get to (or close to) the final Ultra Containers stage being complete, and the first-third skin containers stage, as at those points the Bronze bundle becomes better value for buyers - and more attractive for all. Also some buys towards the end perhaps due to "fear of missing out" or just desire for more Ultras from the Silver pack.

Another thing that could drive purchases is if an imbalanced new Twins augment is released - we could see a big spike in purchases of the Silver pack, if it gives the best value to buy Ultra containers to attempt to get the new augment.

Edited December 6, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[numericable 2,375]

1 minute ago, PsychoBoogie said:

So If I buy any of these bundle before the event ends, will I get all the rewards of each level or not?
Like if I buy one bundle after it crosses 3M, will I get the level 1, 2 and 3 reward? or just the upcoming rewards from level 4 

Of course you will get all reward, lets assume you buy it the last day, you will get all different level passed

[PsychoBoogie 1]

2 minutes ago, numericable said:

Of course you will get all reward, lets assume you buy it the last day, you will get all different level passed

Alright, thanks! 

[fire_shoter 555]

3 hours ago, numericable said:

I will buy it only if it reach the first skin container, as the only skin i'm missing is hornet legacy, then i will own every skin from skin containers, i wonder after that what will i get from the 2 other skins, is it 500 tankoins X2 (1k)?

I will also buy it if it reaches skin container. ( I want that thunder legacy skin) 

[Marcus 17,295]

45 minutes ago, numericable said:

The event take place during 13 whole days, so we need to get atleast an average of 1,1M tankoins per day to reach 15M at the end and the crisis drone. If we are the first day, and basically the 1st day is the most "hyped" one for buying bundles, if the fund is 740k by now, we can assume it would reach maybe 1,6M at the end of the day. Then, other days will be worse (except for maybe saturday)

At the same time, reaching each new level will motivate more tankers to take part.

[emrakul 7,801]

On 12/5/2021 at 6:03 AM, wolverine848 said:

That's 66.6tk per UC, which is equal to 50% sale. Yes, that's the best price you can get on UC at the moment, if you only want to buy UC and nothing else.

20 hours ago, IMPULSE-WARRIOR said:

The devs didn't pay anything either, perfectly balanced.

Says a lot when something that should be explained simply and with a little measured thought, (by the devs) has to be re-explained a dozen times so most players understand how it works.

@emrakul Your post was so long that it was more complicated than the explanation it was trying to work out. (good effort though)

To the devs. Might be a good idea if you get your posts correct 1st time around, a HUGE amount of players rely on your information and act accordingly based on that.

My post was meant to be a long explanation, I could probably make it shorter, but I felt like the way I wrote it should be easily understandable, even if long to read. If written in short form, I'm afraid many people would not understand it at all.

Also, the people dealing with pricing of stuff certainly don't consider giving out tankoins "free", since tankoins are worth money for them and they weren't getting anything in exchange for that. It was plain extra tankoins, they didn't plan to give out for tankisport fund event. However, I think for them it was worth making such extra giveaway, so the remaining players knew they got fair chance to win (since they are ehm... not able to understand that they already had a fair chance and they lose because they simply got unlucky, not because of some YT accounts)

14 hours ago, Espoir said:

This sounds too much unreal tbh... I think we have 2 options :

1st one they will fake the fund and decrease it so we won't be able to reach above 10 million and the second option is a big nerf to Crisis 

Trust me, whoever is in charge of preparing these events is an expert, it's all perfectly planned out and the outcome is always profitable for them. They don't need to change anything, it's already set in a way it will achieve what they aim for.

Also... jammer - crisis has been already nerfed by that. Crisis is too expensive for f2p players, and it creates permanent sink for crystals, so only legends can afford to buy supplies to keep using it. Moreover, they are trying to sell more crisis and armadillos, with an affordable price tag, which is smart decision, just not sure if people who spent hundreds will be happy with it Tho it's at least a bit more fair - pay more for exclusive early access, and at some point, it'll be cheaper or "free".

55 minutes ago, tank7 said:

Dear @emrakul a lot of which you said is correct . However the probability you calculated for last fund ( you said if a person brought 8 bundles and since there is 1/8 chance of winning the person has 100% chance of winning statistically)  is wrong. Lets say if a person buys 1 bundle, they get 1 ticket. Just to make math easier, lets say in the end there are 80 tickets, hence there are 10 slots for winning. Suppose a person bought only one bundle, then the probability(p) they get selected is = 1 - probability they don't get selected

= 1 - (79C10)/(80C10)  which comes out to be = 1/8.  Now suppose a person bought 8 tickets and there are a total of 80 tickets, hence the probability(p) they get selected = 1 - probability they don't get selected

p = 1 - (72C10)/(80C10) which is approx. 0.67433 hence in% it's 67.433% of being selected. Also you can clearly see that the probability of you being selected is 100% if and only if you buy more than 7/8 of total bundles, like in this case buying 71 or more out total 80 of them .

Uhh, I'll say honestly, I'm not that familiar with probability calculation (however, it's more about the situations where it depends on order), so I try to use simplified approach, which should however be still correct.

In this draw, one ticket can be drawn multiple times (at least it was working like this last time, some lucky people won twice with just 1 bundle purchase, I think remember someone going crazy they won 16k by just 1k spent), so I'm going to assume it's the same this time, at least with the way their randomizer 9000 works - it picks a random nickname from a list a number of times, and every time it uses the same list of nicknames, meaning you can be chosen multiple times with 1 ticket.

If I understand your formula correctly, it implies that previously won tickets get removed from the pool of drawn tickets? Or is it also including the order of tickets drawn?

Because in this case, your (any) ticket had the same probability to be picked in a single draw, which was 1 in (total number of bundles bought), however, the draw was repeated one time per 8 bundles bought, so as we both said, in the end a ticket had 1/8 chance to be drawn. If a player bought multiple bundles, it is the same as if multiple players bought one bundle each, these bundles don't affect each other (which was why YT accounts didn't "take money from players"). So if 8 players each have a chance to win once 1/8, then one player with 8 bundles has the same cumulative chance to win, which is 8 * 1/8 = 1 or in other words 100%

Actually, even buying 71 or 80 tickets won't get you a 100% win, why? You are assuming a winning ticket is thrown out and cannot be drawn again, which is not true in this case. Yes, in a case, where winning ticket can't be drawn again, then 71 out of 80 tickets, will result in a 100% winrate with 10 draws, since even in worst situation, after 9 draws there will be only your tickets left to draw from.

All of this assumes their randomizer still works the same way like last time.

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

3 hours ago, Marcus said:

I confirm. You shouldn't expect a response from anyone else as CMs are the devs who talk to players.

If a CM says something, that's what the company says 

[Let 1,398]

Wow Nice offers and also cool prizes. 

[Marcus 17,295]

We are about to reach the first level 

[Incorp 2,084]

2 minutes ago, Marcus said:

We are about to reach the first level 

Yaaay. 

I got 400 on spiderhiest, am considering trying my luck on 10 coinboxes.....

[Sabry 1,072]

Woo, let's keep going!

[Bydo 20,119]

wow highway robbery

$ 50.00 Canadian to get nothing but computer generated items. wont be buying this year and its sad cause I have most  of the E-sports paints.

your crying for money but raising prices and caping pro passes .. players are just turning away from buying..

[Incorp 2,084]

You're so active today Marcus, it's unusual.