declined Buff Groups

[yellowghetto 3,206]

The title. 

Groups need a serious buff if the Developers refuse to fix their matchmaking system.

For those don't know, if you are playing in a Group, the MM system automatically filters trash players into your team.

I.E, low GS mults, sabotage players. Legends having no Augments/Modules equipped resulting in 4K-6K GS often.

You pretty much cannot play with your friends to win anymore if you are free to play and just trying to have fun.

 

There is pretty much no way to buff Groups, but to bump the number back up to 4.

Not everyone has 9999 GS, and having a Group of 4 gives your team a better chance at winning if you are going to be put with low level noobs anyways.

[NikmanGT 4,439]

Declined

How fair may it sound to you and annoying to the player who has to face the 4-9999 GS players

We do not accept Ideas regarding reversion of updates/changes.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

13 hours ago, NikmanGT said:

Declined

How fair may it sound to you and annoying to the player who has to face the 4-9999 GS players

We do not accept Ideas regarding reversion of updates/changes.

Like I said. Not everyone has 9999 GS.

Also, how is it fair to be a in a group, and your team is filled up with mults?

[NikmanGT 4,439]

Just now, yellowghetto said:

Like I said. Not everyone has 9999 GS.

I see, my bad for the assumption there, but sadly the idea violates the I&S rule and thus cannot be accepted.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

Just now, NikmanGT said:

I see, my bad for the assumption there, but sadly the idea violates the I&S rule and thus cannot be accepted.

Something needs to be done with Groups. It needs a buff ASAP.

 

Literally more than half of my games I experience now are like this now. When I am trying to play with some of my friends, we all have at least 8K-9K, but the rest of my team are what I described. That and pair it up with cringe maps + game mode + losing team from the start. Left like 5 games in a row (no joke) from the get-go

 

What I'm saying, is that not only is playing solo queue a pain, but playing with friends is unplayable nowadays. If Tanki wants to go console, in the future, fix MM. Fix Groups.

[NikmanGT 4,439]

Just now, yellowghetto said:

have at least 8K-9K, but the rest of my team are what I described.

That is not something limited to groups alone, being paired with low rankers is what I experience frequently from time to time.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

1 minute ago, NikmanGT said:

That is not something limited to groups alone, being paired with low rankers is what I experience frequently from time to time.

It's WAY more often with Groups. I recommend going on a grind with some friends and compare it to solo queue. It's disturbing and angering.

 

Edit: Added the "WAY" to emphasize the point.

[NikmanGT 4,439]

Just now, yellowghetto said:

It's WAY more often with Groups. I recommend going on a grind with some friends and compare it to solo queue. It's disturbing and angering.

I see, in the meanwhile you can drop a complaint about Complaint Book about this situation.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

Just now, NikmanGT said:

I see, in the meanwhile you can drop a complaint about Complaint Book about this situation.

Doubt devs check it though.

[NikmanGT 4,439]

4 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

Doubt devs check it though.

Well, you and I know it doesn't get seen directly to developers, i.e. Devs don't come and personally see it, but we send these reports as to what people are experiencing from time to time.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

4 minutes ago, max6782 said:

Its good the way it is now. Last thing i want is to see 3x paladin rico overpowered alteration in cp, ctf. Its nightmare. 

That means your team is bad, bro. Or that group spent hours looking for a good match they can actually win in.

 

Edit: Also, could be because Paladin needs a nerf

[yellowghetto 3,206]

3 minutes ago, max6782 said:

Im pretty sure such group doesnt care because on 99% they win every match they join. And bro, everything isnt about winning.

See, that is assumption. It's not true. 9999 GS groups do not = instant win. 

Also, yes everything is about winning when you are trying to grind for something. 

 

Who doesn't want to win?

[alkyng 3,081]

40 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

Not everyone has 9999 GS.

You have 9999GS

31 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

Left like 5 games in a row (no joke) from the get-go

Maybe your criteria for a battle is high, don't search for an absolute perfect battle. Not needed at all

 

12 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

9999 GS groups do not = instant win. 

Ok 1 out of 100 battles they may lose

[yellowghetto 3,206]

Just now, firety31 said:

You have 9999GS

Maybe your criteria for a battle is high, don't search for an absolute perfect battle. Not needed at all

 

Ok 1 out of 100 battles they may lose

I have alt accounts dude.

@yellowghetto2 @yellowghetto3. Unfair battles for Groups is contagious. Not exclusive to 9999s.

 

1/100 is a huge exaggeration. 

[King.David 371]

I'll only agree to bring back groups to 4 if there was a system in place to restrict the group members from having the same equipment (eg. There can only be 1 rico user, 1 viking user, 1 crisis user etc.) with the exception of protection modules and brutus. As multiple people said before, having 4 paladins with Helios and other meta stuff is just toxic. There needs to be variety in some form.

Regarding the issue with noob teammates when grouping, only the devs alone can answer to that.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

4 hours ago, King.David said:

I'll only agree to bring back groups to 4 if there was a system in place to restrict the group members from having the same equipment (eg. There can only be 1 rico user, 1 viking user, 1 crisis user etc.) with the exception of protection modules and brutus. As multiple people said before, having 4 paladins with Helios and other meta stuff is just toxic. There needs to be variety in some form.

Regarding the issue with noob teammates when grouping, only the devs alone can answer to that.

That could work actually. Restricting 1 Turret or Hull combo to one user.

Edit: Restricting Drones however might be too much.

[Maf 32,328]

 

@yellowghetto I get what you mean, but this is an issue with MM balance itself. So the way to fix it isn't by buffing all groups or making some convoluted group balance feature that only buffs groups with lower GS. The solution is to solve MM balance as a whole, and either ensure that a weak group doesn't get matched against a strong group, or give the weak group strong ungrouped players.

As you probably know, the debate surrounding MM balance has been going on for years (ever since MM was introduced, actually), so it's not an easy problem to solve. There's also the additional issue of groups often leaving whenever they see a strong opponent, plus the controversial idea that MM balance is intentionally skewed to increase players' total playtime.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

On 6/16/2022 at 11:43 PM, Maf said:

 

@yellowghetto I get what you mean, but this is an issue with MM balance itself. So the way to fix it isn't by buffing all groups or making some convoluted group balance feature that only buffs groups with lower GS. The solution is to solve MM balance as a whole, and either ensure that a weak group doesn't get matched against a strong group, or give the weak group strong ungrouped players.

As you probably know, the debate surrounding MM balance has been going on for years (ever since MM was introduced, actually), so it's not an easy problem to solve. There's also the additional issue of groups often leaving whenever they see a strong opponent, plus the controversial idea that MM balance is intentionally skewed to increase players' total playtime.

Yeah. I only made this topic for that sole reason. 

It's been years, and the Devs refuse to care about MM. Rank Limits -> GS Limits -> Nerfed Containers. If they haven't fixed it in, I don't know, years? Why should I believe they would fix it any time soon? I'd prefer this as a temporary solution.

[Master_Scope 164]

If the game was more balanced it wouldnt matter if people played in groups 

 

 

Also have you tried grouping with friends at lower ranks:

•worse waiting times then @ legend

•every 2/3 games put in battle with much higher ranks and massive maps which everyone hates

•Why group when u can solo que and have to spend x5 less time waiting and have games that are playable

 

 

[yellowghetto 3,206]

2 hours ago, Master_Scope said:

If the game was more balanced it wouldnt matter if people played in groups 

 

 

Also have you tried grouping with friends at lower ranks:

•worse waiting times then @ legend

•every 2/3 games put in battle with much higher ranks and massive maps which everyone hates

•Why group when u can solo que and have to spend x5 less time waiting and have games that are playable

 

 

I don't mind long wait times in Groups. I just want fair matches in terms of similar GS.