Why is the high-rank game balance so damn awful?

[Gabe2607 215]

On 10/21/2023 at 3:34 PM, PirateSpider said:

Only the mega buyers are gonna be buying that which is about 23k tankoins. Regular buyers aren't gonna be shelling out $276+ for this. If I were to spend that much, then I better be guaranteed to get many good items, not just a slim chance to get something good.

 

A buyer is a buyer: won't resist the temptation to get the latest equipment NOW. Buyers chances of getting the latest equipment when their garage is already full: 100%. Free Players chances to get the latest equipment: 0%.

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Gabe2607
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[Macabre 207]

On 10/21/2023 at 11:24 PM, Gabe2607 said:

A buyer is a buyer: won't resist the temptation to get the latest equipment NOW. Buyers chances of getting the latest equipment when their garage is already full: 100%. Free Players chances to get the latest equipment: 0%.

 

Honestly, It's not bad as you say. For instance, my first exotic item came out of a single weekly UC, which gave me Faust augment for striker. And last weekend I got Driver for Viking from the event 15 UC. I know this is not the norm, but im tryna say that sometimes when you get lucky the disparity between buyers and F2Ps becomes less of a nuisance. 

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/21/2023 at 9:37 PM, PirateSpider said:

I never said it would be quick. But you would be able to get them eventually. Also if free players keep completing missions and challenges, they'd be able to participate in tanki funds which also has these.

In 2020/5 - 2021/4 I was very active in the forum and in the game, I never miss an event or an ultra weekend. Whatever I did in these 9 months, I didn't get EMP Gauss. Was EMP Gauss available to me in that period of time or not?

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/21/2023 at 5:22 PM, Macabre said:

I know this is not the norm

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Jeers4U

[Gabe2607 215]

On 10/21/2023 at 5:22 PM, Macabre said:

Honestly, It's not bad as you say. For instance, my first exotic item came out of a single weekly UC, which gave me Faust augment for striker. And last weekend I got Driver for Viking from the event 15 UC. I know this is not the norm, but im tryna say that sometimes when you get lucky the disparity between buyers and F2Ps becomes less of a nuisance. 

Congratulations: you got 2 augments out of 218 ! In 4 years you will have them all ! Ops, no... Tanki will have created another 200 ! Calculating hulls/turrets/drones and protections, the disparity will be covered in... calculating... calculating... calculating.... ERROR

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/21/2023 at 2:45 PM, firety31 said:

In 2020/5 - 2021/4 I was very active in the forum and in the game, I never miss an event or an ultra weekend. Whatever I did in these 9 months, I didn't get EMP Gauss. Was EMP Gauss available to me in that period of time or not?

I really don't get the obsession with EMP gauss. Shouldn't have been added anyway. At the time there were many augments other augments you could have settled for.

 

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/22/2023 at 2:09 AM, PirateSpider said:

I really don't get the obsession with EMP gauss. Shouldn't have been added anyway. At the time there were many augments other augments you could have settled for.

Same as Kimura and Mexican, you also have an astonishing ability in changing the topics.  As you haven't answered my question, I will answer it myself:

Nope, EMP Gauss was not available to me at that time. Whether by developers intentionally not making it appears on my UCs or by their RNG system, I don't care honestly. The only thing I care is that EMP Gauss was NOT available for me to get. It's that simple

Whether EMP Gauss was the strongest augment or the most balanced one, that doesn't help in our discussion.

Edited October 22, 2023 by firety31

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/22/2023 at 5:36 AM, firety31 said:

you also have an astonishing ability in changing the topics.

Actually, you're the one that started talking about EMP gauss and kept talking about it like you're doing now. And I did talk about it too after you kept mentioning it. So your accusation of me changing topics is technically wrong.

On 10/22/2023 at 5:36 AM, firety31 said:

As you haven't answered my question, I will answer it myself:

Nope, EMP Gauss was not available to me at that time. Whether by developers intentionally not making it appears on my UCs or by their RNG system, I don't care honestly. The only thing I care is that EMP Gauss was NOT available for me to get. It's that simple

To be honest, this question wasn't important so I didn't even notice it. But good on you for answering your own question. However, I couldn't care less if you could get it or not. In regards to EMP gauss, the only thing I cared about was the fact that it was added in the first place.

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/22/2023 at 8:05 PM, PirateSpider said:

Actually, you're the one that started talking about EMP gauss and kept talking about it like you're doing now. And I did talk about it too after you kept mentioning it. So your accusation of me changing topics is technically wrong.

To be honest, this question wasn't important so I didn't even notice it. But good on you for answering your own question. However, I couldn't care less if you could get it or not. In regards to EMP gauss, the only thing I cared about was the fact that it was added in the first place.

I think part of the problem is that you don't know what you have wrote.

On 10/21/2023 at 4:17 AM, PirateSpider said:

Actually, a free player can get all of these, might not be as quick, but can definitely get them.

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by firety31

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/23/2023 at 4:23 AM, firety31 said:

I think part of the problem is that you don't know what you have wrote.

 

So what are you trying to argue?

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/23/2023 at 5:59 PM, PirateSpider said:

So what are you trying to argue?

My point is that not every item is ACCESSIBLE for non-buyers.

Edited October 23, 2023 by firety31

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/23/2023 at 10:59 AM, PirateSpider said:

So what are you trying to argue?

He's right, my dude.

Anyone who tries to argue that this game is balanced--in any way, shape, or form--is not... correct.

From the turrets, to the hulls, to the augments, to the prizes, to the containers to the moderating, to everything.

Nothing is balanced. It's literally designed that way on purpose.

And if, by some freakish accident that it IS balanced, it will only be a brief period of time before they change something and it reverts back to imbalanced.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Jeers4U

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/23/2023 at 11:02 AM, firety31 said:

My point is that not every item is ACCESSIBLE for non-buyers.

If we're being realistically honest, there really not many things buyers can get that non-buyers cant.

Buyers can get the 290 UC bundle if they can cough up $276+, but only the gigachad mega buyers are gonna be buying it.

Which leaves the occasional daily tankoins pass and the special bundle that shows up once in a blue moon if it still exists.

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/24/2023 at 6:50 PM, PirateSpider said:

If we're being realistically honest, there really not many things buyers can get that non-buyers cant.

Buyers can get the 290 UC bundle if they can cough up $276+, but only the gigachad mega buyers are gonna be buying it.

Which leaves the occasional daily tankoins pass and the special bundle that shows up once in a blue moon if it still exists.

Yes, but I see one at least in every battle using the new UC released item. Also not everyone is using the direct way of paying, previously changing to another currency cut the price to the quarter, not sure if this still works but I believe that any who gonna dump that money on the game will calculate well and get the maximum of it. 

Also we're having youtubers, moderators and helpers. Which are composing a nice portion of the current tanki players, due to the lack of today's players. Not really sure about the helpers but the youtubers are getting infinity amount of everything.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/24/2023 at 11:03 AM, firety31 said:

Yes, but I see one at least in every battle using the new UC released item

F2P players can also get the new items this way.

On 10/24/2023 at 11:03 AM, firety31 said:

Also not everyone is using the direct way of paying, previously changing to another currency cut the price to the quarter, not sure if this still works but I believe that any who gonna dump that money on the game will calculate well and get the maximum of it. 

The ability to buy under another country's currency has been removed like a year or so ago. And I'm pretty sure they haven't brought it back since.

On 10/24/2023 at 11:03 AM, firety31 said:

Also we're having youtubers, moderators and helpers. Which are composing a nice portion of the current tanki players, due to the lack of today's players. Not really sure about the helpers but the youtubers are getting infinity amount of everything.

Yes, but thats a completely different topic.

[Eithern 412]

I spend more time to find a battle that fits my rank than actually playing...

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 10/21/2023 at 10:22 PM, Macabre said:

I know this is not the norm, but im tryna say that sometimes when you get lucky the disparity between buyers and F2Ps becomes less of a nuisance. 

Only from your perspective, not anyone else.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 1:36 PM, firety31 said:

Same as Kimura and Mexican, you also have an astonishing ability in changing the topics.

Cheers. no one ever compared me to the word astonishing before.

And no I do not change topic. I merely integrate other factors into the original post/topic to further enhance my position/standpoint on the state of the game, which is abysmal, nice one hazel.

[Macabre 207]

On 11/4/2023 at 2:44 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Only from your perspective, not anyone else.

Wrong. Many people have gotten lucky over time especially if they play regularly. You're just expecting F2Ps and buyers to be on the same power level which is a daydream 

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/4/2023 at 5:44 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Only from your perspective, not anyone else.

Actually its only from YOUR perspective that you can't get anything good from containers. Especially now since most of player base has at least 1 legend rank account.

On 11/4/2023 at 5:44 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Cheers. no one ever compared me to the word astonishing before.

And no I do not change topic. I merely integrate other factors into the original post/topic to further enhance my position/standpoint on the state of the game, which is abysmal, nice one hazel.

I mean, in the crisis topic, when you "integrated other factors" I ignored it at first because I already knew it'd be alot more messy than just comparing crisis to other drones. Once I decided to give in and entertained your persistence is when it backfired for you.

[alkyng 3,080]

On 11/4/2023 at 3:44 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Cheers. no one ever compared me to the word astonishing before.

And no I do not change topic. I merely integrate other factors into the original post/topic to further enhance my position/standpoint on the state of the game, which is abysmal, nice one hazel.

Well I would really like to know your opinion about this discussion, do you see EMP Gauss was available to me at that time like what Pirate assumes or not?

Edited November 9, 2023 by firety31

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/8/2023 at 1:40 PM, firety31 said:

Well I would like to know your opinion about this discussion, do you see EMP Gauss was available to me at that time like what Pirate assumes or not?

I actually don't remember how easy or difficult it was to obtain when it first came out. Nor do I care if it was obtainable at all.

I was more focused on the fact that it was added into the game. With good reason too, because of it and many others like it the game just got more frustrating.

Also that was nearly 2 and a half years ago. You should use more recent examples like maybe the new Vulcan skin and augments?

[alkyng 3,080]

On 11/9/2023 at 1:46 AM, PirateSpider said:

I actually don't remember how easy or difficult it was to obtain when it first came out. Nor do I care if it was obtainable at all.

I was more focused on the fact that it was added into the game. With good reason too, because of it and many others like it the game just got more frustrating.

Also that was nearly 2 and a half years ago. You should use more recent examples like maybe the new Vulcan skin and augments?

With all being honest I don't understand what are you trying to reach! First why you don't care about its obtainability, this is the main point of our discussion. Its rarity was that I have opened every available UC through events and weekends in that 11 months period of time (I mis-calculated when I wrote 9 months) and didn't get that augment. I see this as just a basic right for me to say that EMP Gauss wasn't available to me. 

Why was it added, isn't my problem, I wanted to get it to have the same chance against buyers and their RNG didn't give it to me. The example is 2 years old because I was playing continuously at that time, I haven't played the same since then and my example is still viable as we're talking about the idea nothing have changed since then. Items are still available through RNG and UCs are still distributed in limited quantities and in event times only. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by firety31

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/9/2023 at 4:11 AM, firety31 said:

First why you don't care about its obtainability,

Why should I care about it's obtainability?

As for your question, I'd much rather if it didn't exist at all than it to be a common thing to see later down the road.

On 11/9/2023 at 4:11 AM, firety31 said:

Its rarity was that I have opened every available UC through events and weekends in that 11 months period of time (I mis-calculated when I wrote 9 months) and didn't get that augment. I see this as just a basic right for me to say that EMP Gauss wasn't available to me. 

Well, just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it proves that only buyers could obtain it.

Remember, you're just one perspective, there are still hundreds of other players out there with their own perspective.

Even if you didn't get it, there's bound to be quite a few F2P players who managed to get it as well as quite a few buyers who didn't.

On 11/9/2023 at 4:11 AM, firety31 said:

Items are still available through RNG and UCs are still distributed in limited quantities and in event times only. 

So how are you so sure that only buyers can obtain these items?

[alkyng 3,080]

On 11/9/2023 at 9:09 PM, PirateSpider said:

than it to be a common thing

I don't see buyers as a special selected elite to have the access for an OP augment than other players. It does really make zero difference for me if EMP Gauss was being obtained between only buyers or half of the player base, both are obnoxious but the second one is more fair.

On 11/9/2023 at 9:09 PM, PirateSpider said:

Well, just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it proves that only buyers could obtain it.

Remember, you're just one perspective, there are still hundreds of other players out there with their own perspective.

Even if you didn't get it, there's bound to be quite a few F2P players who managed to get it as well as quite a few buyers who didn't.

I literally say "available to me" in every comment I write here. 

How they managed to get it? I literally followed all of the few possible ways tanki made available for us to get EMP Gauss, and I didn't get it. This is why I has a positive assumption that EMP Gauss isn't available for me.

On 11/9/2023 at 9:09 PM, PirateSpider said:

So how are you so sure that only buyers can obtain these items?

Well, when an OP item has 0.00000000000001% probability to get it, and the game gives you only 5 UCs to get that OP item, and you opened them and didn't get it, what can you say?

Edited November 9, 2023 by firety31

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/9/2023 at 10:24 AM, firety31 said:

Well, when an OP item has 0.00000000000001% probability to get it, and the game gives you only 5 UCs to get that OP item, and you opened them and didn't get it, what can you say?

Some people have gotten lucky from just 5 UCs while some others have gotten unlucky from 3 sets of 15 Ultras.

@TheCongoSpider can tell you all about it.

On 11/9/2023 at 10:24 AM, firety31 said:

How they managed to get it?

Why dont you take a guess? If you need a hint just look at my first statement of this post.

On 11/9/2023 at 10:24 AM, firety31 said:

don't see buyers as a special selected elite to have the access for an OP augment than other players. It does really make zero difference for me if EMP Gauss was being obtained between only buyers or half of the player base, both are obnoxious but the second one is more fair.

Then what's the issue?