Why is the high-rank game balance so damn awful?

[DuKo-GPoM 9]

Seriously, if you play anywhere higher than literal warrant 5 you already have a chance to see at least one legend in "ENEMY TEAM" of MM battles, that will have over 8000 GS and will obliterate the hell out of everyone else. The higher your rank, the worse it is. 

I'm at lieutenant general, close to the next rank. What I am experiencing is that so, every second, not second, every single game throws me into a full lobby of legends with 9999GS each, while I myself don't even have enough crystals to upgrade my equipment. (If you consider 1000 crystals from container, or 3k from ulrta container enough to upgrade something, then my statement is incorrect)

Despite me running Thunder and Dictator both upgraded to MK7, I still pose no more of a threat than a 0 GS person who doesn't know how to rotate their turret, even though, on skill level, I can still maintain a KD over 1.0 and if I play with enemies of my ranks, my KD goes even higher, as 3.0+ for minimum. There would still be a legend running their dirty crisis, obliterating you no matter what, also using one of those augments for gauss or railgun, that will remove your entire health even with armor supply and full health.

There is however this new halloween gamemode, at which I generally take top places and KD over 2.0 most the time, despite me always fighting legends. The good thing in it, is that their money paid doesn't matter here in any of the way, making it fair, balanced and skill based gamemode, the way the whole game should be.

IMO, the legends should be seperated from the MM system, and play only with other legends. This way smaller ranks would not struggle fighting them, and instead fight themselves only. That wouldn't increase wait time for them in MM, there are a lot of legends in the game already. Wouldn't either increase the time for lower ranks, because they would still not have to wait too long to actually join a match.

Or. at least, make a GS based matchmaking, So you don't have 9999GS legend running with 2-3k GS players.

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/14/2023 at 6:58 AM, DuKo-GPoM said:

Seriously, if you play anywhere higher than literal warrant 5 you already have a chance to see at least one legend in "ENEMY TEAM" of MM battles, that will have over 8000 GS and will obliterate the hell out of everyone else. The higher your rank, the worse it is. 

That's mainly due to the extreme shortage of players nowadays in tanki, although in 2020 tanki was dead but at least it had some active players. Look at the event / patchnotes topic. The patch note barely completed half a page while the event get only 3 pages since Thursday. The solution to the ranks difference is to increase the lower ranks GSs temporarily to adapt the new legend intruder, they would still have the skill difference but at least there would be some sort of balance.

On 10/14/2023 at 6:58 AM, DuKo-GPoM said:

I'm at lieutenant general, close to the next rank.

One of the most horrible updates they did is when they made Mk7 upgrades available only at Marshal. The journey at these star ranks is just too long, and you mostly are facing legends. The only solution is what you did when you upgraded your equipment Mk6+, but it's a very horrible economy decision after they removed the ability to upgrade for free after Marshal. Nevertheless, they still have Mk7+ against you which is literally two upgrades from Mk6+.

On 10/14/2023 at 6:58 AM, DuKo-GPoM said:

There would still be a legend running their dirty crisis, obliterating you no matter what,

Crisis is an extreme deadly weapon when used against lower ranks, it's like activating god-mode on in games, the player does have an enormous damage increase of 60%+ and an enormous speed of 70%+, they definitely don't need to use the double armor though.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/13/2023 at 11:58 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

Or. at least, make a GS based matchmaking, So you don't have 9999GS legend running with 2-3k GS players.

The theory is that the game puts you into an intentionally frantic and panicked state by it's imbalance (life).

That 'state' is like a pseudo fight-or-flight response (anxiety).

It's during that response that you are most likely to do whatever it takes to survive (willpower).

The developers are hoping that 'whatever it takes to survive' happens to be in the form of spending money on the game (temptation).

If you are finding it frustrating... it is by design and how tanki makes the most amount of money (pusher).

Your enjoyment (or lack thereof) does not really enter the equation (addiction).

Stronger-willed players find battle tactics and methods to improve (coping skills).

Weaker-willed players purchase augments and other items to improve (drugs).

The continual nerf-buff-repeat updates are to continually put you in different fight-or-flight response scenarios (anxiety) to break down those battle tactics and methods (coping skills) depending on the turret/hull/drone/arena/battle-type you have selected (life choices).

This ensures that tanki (drug lord) has a continual income stream from the w.w.p. (addicts) and by s.w.p whose (coping skills) have failed them.

Here endeth the lesson.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Jeers4U

[JustBlackWolf 875]

hello and welcome to Tanki online 2023, how may i help you?

[DefkwargX 152]

On 10/14/2023 at 7:58 AM, DuKo-GPoM said:

(If you consider 1000 crystals from container, or 3k from ulrta container enough to upgrade something, then my statement is incorrect)

Unless you made your account really recently, I genuinely believe that if you're still ranting on about having a bad garage in 2023, then you have a skill issue when it comes to the management of your in-game resources. If you disagree, I am willing to engage in an in-depth debate about this because this is getting annoying.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/14/2023 at 1:50 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Unless you made your account really recently, I genuinely believe that if you're still ranting on about having a bad garage in 2023, then you have a skill issue when it comes to the management of your in-game resources. If you disagree, I am willing to engage in an in-depth debate about this because this is getting annoying.

Not really.

Tanki is better at the cycle of nerfing/buffing turrets/hulls than players are at maxing garages (without buying).

It really is that simple.

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 10/14/2023 at 10:17 AM, firety31 said:

The solution to the ranks difference is

to adopt my idea which would solve it in time.

Starting from WO1 the XP needed to rank should increase by a factor of 3 all the way to marshal.

You should also earn x2 more cry than XP in a standard non event/no premium needed battle.

These simple changes would not only solve the G/S problem, but lower ranks facing MUCH HIGHER ranks.

It would take (I'm guessing) maybe a few months to sort itself out, but the end result would be beneficial to the lower ranks (garage upgrading) and fix the failed MM system in the process.

Simple-non complicated-ideas like these are what the developers should be working on, not more updates that just complicate the game more and invariably cause even more lag than it has now.

On 10/14/2023 at 1:32 PM, Jeers4U said:

The developers are hoping that 'whatever it takes to survive' happens to be in the form of spending money on the game (temptation)

Just thought I'd highlight this section again.

 

On 10/14/2023 at 1:32 PM, Jeers4U said:

Stronger-willed players find battle tactics and methods to improve (coping skills).

I would say I fall into this category.

My strategy is only play the objective if it benefits ME.

I'm not bothered in the slightest if I win, lose or draw.

I could care less about any event and how many nerfed containers they give you.

I would say in the last 3/4 years my game time has steadily decreased, I'm not even bothered about daily missions anymore, I either complete them or I don't.

I have a list of haters in this game a mile long and It's growing bigger every day, keeps me motivated. 

On 10/14/2023 at 6:50 PM, Assasin-TO said:

I genuinely believe that if you're still ranting on about having a bad garage in 2023, then you have a skill issue when it comes to the management of your in-game resources

Wrong.

And no I will not explain to you why you are wrong.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/14/2023 at 4:58 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

I'm not bothered in the slightest if I win, lose or draw.

I could care less about any event and how many nerfed containers they give you.

I would say in the last 3/4 years my game time has steadily decreased, I'm not even bothered about daily missions anymore, I either complete them or I don't.

Same.

I enter and leave at least 5 games or more until I find a game that is slightly even.

And even then, sometimes--if I want to punish tanki for wasting my time--I will remain in an insanely uneven game (like to the point of stupidity uneven) press pause and just sit there for 2 minutes, re-enter the game, pause it for 2 minutes, re-enter the game, repeat.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/14/2023 at 4:58 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

My strategy is only play the objective if it benefits ME.

Here was a game I just played. The insane breakdown of futility:

They had 4 tanks more powerful than my entire team

We had a noob @GS 763 AND we had one less tank, lol

Their ENTIRE team was .500 or better

We had 3 tanks above .500, half my team had one kill or less

"skill" doesn't enter into this battle--regardless of what tank you have in your garage--nor will you come out with anything less than minimal rewards.

 

 

I just played a game where my 4k tank was in an arena with all 9k+ tanks.

I went to my garage and changed into the lowest ranked tank I could find (2k) and played the entire game without using any supplies.

We lost. By a lot.

Felt so goooood.

You want to put my low ranked tank in with legends in a mismatchmaking arena?

I'll show you a low ranked tank that hurts his team.

And no one on my team had fun that game.

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Jeers4U

[NikmanGT 4,362]

Half of the messages on this topic had to be removed, keep it civilised guys.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 10/16/2023 at 6:08 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

didn't read lol

Yeah cuz you got caught. You employed the same tactic as someone yesterday, who ran and refused to read my reply when being confronted. Next time, don't reply to someone if you don't have the bcourage to read what he said and reply to it.

It's crazy how the haters of this game are mostly just noobs who don't know how to manage their accounts properly and they rant on about the game as an attempt to cope, but end up running with their tail between their legs when confronted with facts and logic. This game deserves better players than them and it is this kind of players that should leave the forum so that people who are more mature can voice their opinions. 

There are many things wrong with this game, BUT there are many good things about it too, and what is sad is that these chronic haters just see the first part and deliberately choose to ignore the second.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 10/16/2023 at 6:14 PM, NikmanGT said:

Half of the messages on this topic had to be removed, keep it civilised guys.

I genuinely believe that you should have kept my last message (censor it if you want to) where I showed that guy how he has a problem of managing his resources, not because of my ego, but so that these chronic haters can also see how they often blame the game without thinking critically whether or not they were the problem or if the problem is really coming from the game.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:56 PM, Assasin-TO said:

I genuinely believe that you should have kept my last message (censor it if you want to) where I showed that guy how he has a problem of managing his resources, not because of my ego, but so that these chronic haters can also see how they often blame the game without thinking critically whether or not they were the problem or if the problem is really coming from the game.

Your intention to make your point would have been genuine, but your phrasing was..... let's say, too harsh. And the result was what I expected; a series of flaming posts back-to-back, which we tend to avoid. 

[DuKo-GPoM 9]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:56 PM, Assasin-TO said:

I genuinely believe that you should have kept my last message (censor it if you want to) where I showed that guy how he has a problem of managing his resources, not because of my ego, but so that these chronic haters can also see how they often blame the game without thinking critically whether or not they were the problem or if the problem is really coming from the game.

Buddy you clearly have to learn how to be polite at first, before calling others noobs. Really, get used to people being different and not everyone is in the same situation as you are, even if you are annoyed, that doesn't make you be able to  on random people on internet.

Note that I have a damn lot of things going on with my life, back before and right now, so most of my activity for TO account was in 2022-2023 years, while in 2018 it was only made, but once again because of real life I really didn't spend time in the game as much as you are able to, plus I had a merciless RNG from containers and yeah, I wanted to try myself on different hulls and turrets so i was wasting some of my crystals to nothing, for what i have twins mk4 right now? For nothing. As well as me purchasing sledgehammer rounds, which have been nerfed to unplayability and I haven't known that before. (You literally can't use them)

For merciless RNG, just imagine containers on release, and their chances. I ONLY, "ONLY", once again, "ONLY" was getting the 1k crystals from them, or maybe once or twice x125 speed boost. Just really note that some people have really luck, as I had it for the moment of time.

Also note that the kits have been removed long ago, so I can't really "early access" all the MK7s at my rank, because they have just been replaced with those stupid tankoin offers. Most of my account progression was on the time of 2022+, even though account is much older.

But for F2P part on my account I'm literally upgraded the max possible GS for my rank, considering the turret and hull of my using, and excluding drone and modules.

But yeah lol I'm clearly glad that you have billions MK7s and MK8s but like I don't care either. Just good for you having such goodies, and crisis of course, the nightmare of the game, no blame either, just have fun in game.

Yeah surely that's partially my mistake for not planning my steps ages before I do them, but well I want to have a variable gameplay, but the problem is the game is punishing you too much for such mistakes, even if they are small, unless you choose to always save up your crystals or get really lucky with containers.

Edited October 16, 2023 by NikmanGT

[NikmanGT 4,362]

@DuKo-GPoM Kindly be civil, or do you really not care about the topic and want it to be closed ?

[DuKo-GPoM 9]

On 10/16/2023 at 9:58 PM, NikmanGT said:

@DuKo-GPoM Kindly be civil, or do you really not care about the topic and want it to be closed ?

sorry i  faioeroiuoiuroui hit my head with keyboard this dsd 

please dont close this topic

[DefkwargX 152]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

Buddy you clearly have to learn how to be polite at first, before calling others noobs. Really, get used to people being different and not everyone is in the same situation as you are, even if you are annoyed, that doesn't make you be able to  on random people on internet.

Ask nikman to show you who insulted who first. Besides, I used words such as ''donut'', ''noob'' and related words, which can even be termed as cute to some extent. Yours were much harsher and had to be censored. I don't have a problem with people who are different from me. I have a problem with delusional and entitled individuals who feel that they ought to receive rewards without putting in adequate efforts.
 

 

On 10/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

Note that I have a damn lot of things going on with my life, back before and right now, so most of my activity for TO account was in 2022-2023 years, while in 2018 it was only made, but once again because of real life I really didn't spend time in the game as much as you are able to, plus I had a merciless RNG from containers and yeah, I wanted to try myself on different hulls and turrets so i was wasting some of my crystals to nothing, for what i have twins mk4 right now? For nothing. As well as me purchasing sledgehammer rounds, which have been nerfed to unplayability and I haven't known that before. (You literally can't use them)

Yea, me too I've a lot going on in my life. For instance, I have a physics exams tomorrow but can still find time to use the forum and play the game. When it comes to RNG, you don't expect good things from normal conts except for crystals, supplies and rare/epic hull augments. Rewards of the legendary rarity are hard to get. To get good stuffs, u must open ultra conts and to get them you must complete missions. Tanki provides silly missions for us to complete to get Ultras. However, even if you opened them and didn't receive good rewards, it's not because of a mErCiLeSs RnG, it's because of the fact that you didn't open enough containers. You just proved my point of not managing resources properly by buying twins mk4.

 

On 10/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

Also note that the kits have been removed long ago, so I can't really "early access" all the MK7s at my rank, because they have just been replaced with those stupid tankoin offers. Most of my account progression was on the time of 2022+, even though account is much older.

Trash update, fr and this is why you should count your crystals and spend them wisely.

 

On 10/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

But for F2P part on my account I'm literally upgraded the max possible GS for my rank, considering the turret and hull of my using, and excluding drone and modules.

 Nah, not the max possible. You wasted a part of your crystals, which you yourself admitted.

 

On 10/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

But yeah lol I'm clearly glad that you have billions MK7s and MK8s but like I don't care either. Just good for you having such goodies, and crisis of course, the nightmare of the game, no blame either, just have fun in game.

You care enough to hate on this drone and its users though. What happened to the argument that one should accept people that are different from him?

 

On 10/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

Yeah surely that's partially my mistake for not planning my steps ages before I do them, but well I want to have a variable gameplay, but the problem is the game is punishing you too much for such mistakes, even if they are small, unless you choose to always save up your crystals or get really lucky with containers.

Told you about the resources management issue and this time i'm not even taunting you, SAVE your crystals. I currently have 1.4M crystals saved up on my main since quite some time. Did I spend them during this 30% off sales to upgrade stuffs? No. Not a single crystals. I know that I'm a non-buyer and I can't afford to waste my crystals. Imma spend them ONLY on 50% off sales. I sadly only adopted this mentality a year or two ago, which allowed me to improve my account. 

I came to the (fairly logical) conclusion that in order for your account to prosper greatly in this game, you can generally either be a buyer or a non-buyer who doesn't miss out on opportunities to get rich by grinding whenever there is a reason to grind. You can't sit back and relax, appear in the game once in a blue moon and then disappear again, then find faults with the game for having a bad garage, for example. You must put in the work required after having planned meticulously the way that you're gonna play your cards.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Assasin-TO

[Gabe2607 215]

On 10/13/2023 at 11:58 PM, DuKo-GPoM said:

IMO, the legends should be seperated from the MM system, and play only with other legends. This way smaller ranks would not struggle fighting them, and instead fight themselves only. That wouldn't increase wait time for them in MM, there are a lot of legends in the game already. Wouldn't either increase the time for lower ranks, because they would still not have to wait too long to actually join a match.

Or. at least, make a GS based matchmaking, So you don't have 9999GS legend running with 2-3k GS players.

I agree with everything except that the difference is not made by Legend players, but by buyers. I can assure you nothing will change once you get there. Buyers get the most recent equipment made by Tanki, which is always far better than anything else previously existing, done purposely to attract buyers. The few free players left, struggle to get a couple of upgraded M7 and once they get there, that equipment will be obsolete. My old Twins, that do not penetrate dead tanks, do not angle, shoot at the same distance of a spit, need to hit precisely an enemy tank 20 times to have a chance to kill. But in the meantime the buyer has been hitting the heal supply and those tanks a thousand miles away would have killed you, shooting somewhere in the proximity. My old isida is worthless in MM battles because none cares to get healed, preferring to press 1, and anyway average lifetime is about 20/30 seconds, getting healed or not. In spite of what "economy professors" will try to preach, as a free player you will never have 40% of the power buyers have, considering hull, turret, drone, protection, augments. Pro battles contain the problem, but they are in their way out because very few buyers come there

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/19/2023 at 8:47 PM, Gabe2607 said:

In spite of what "economy professors" will try to preach, as a free player you will never have 40% of the power buyers have, considering hull, turret, drone, protection, augments.

Actually, a free player can get all of these, might not be as quick, but can definitely get them.

Also what really makes the legend ranks so bad is the heavy presence of things like:

• non Brutus drones. Especially crisis.

• status augments.

• broken non status augments.

• high protections.

[Cleric 1,385]

On 10/21/2023 at 9:17 AM, PirateSpider said:

Actually, a free player can get all of these, might not be as quick, but can definitely get them.

Also what really makes the legend ranks so bad is the heavy presence of things like:

• non Brutus drones. Especially crisis.

• status augments.

• broken non status augments.

• high protections.

And campers in non-TDM modes, specifically those who never and properly ever left spawn even once in their entire life 

[alkyng 3,080]

On 10/16/2023 at 6:58 PM, NikmanGT said:

and want it to be closed ?

Wow, you're so quick in that!!

On 10/21/2023 at 4:17 AM, PirateSpider said:

Actually, a free player can get all of these, might not be as quick, but can definitely get them.

Nope, that's completely incorrect. First, through the given amount of UCs, f2p player most of the time can't get the drone they desire. I wished to have EMP Gauss before, but I never had the chance to get it, whatever I do, which basically means it's non-obtainable to me.  Even for the things that became as buyers-exclusive then be available for everyone, like Hopper in its release; it was exclusive through UCs. After they made it available through garage they just nerfed it and it no-longer as strong as it used to be. Same applies for Tesla. Now developers time to time release some of UCs augments to normal containers, but they're completely trash compared to how they used to be, with all being honest, and that's literally 1-2 years after their release.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/21/2023 at 1:47 AM, Cleric said:

And campers in non-TDM modes, specifically those who never and properly ever left spawn even once in their entire life 

Considering all the things I mentioned, the campers would have been easily forgiven.

On 10/21/2023 at 4:38 AM, firety31 said:

Nope, that's completely incorrect. First, through the given amount of UCs, f2p player most of the time can't get the drone they desire. I wished to have EMP Gauss before, but I never had the chance to get it, whatever I do, which basically means it's non-obtainable to me.  Even for the things that became as buyers-exclusive then be available for everyone, like Hopper in its release; it was exclusive through UCs. After they made it available through garage they just nerfed it and it no-longer as strong as it used to be. Same applies for Tesla. Now developers time to time release some of UCs augments to normal containers, but they're completely trash compared to how they used to be, with all being honest, and that's literally 1-2 years after their release

I never said it would be quick. But you would be able to get them eventually. Also if free players keep completing missions and challenges, they'd be able to participate in tanki funds which also has these.

[Gabe2607 215]

Buyers, already having a complete garage, are out there buying the 290 Ultra Containers package which will guarantee them to get IMMEDIATELY the latest most powerful equipment made by Tanki.

Free players, with a 10% garage, might make 20 UC in a day, if they accept to be crashed for hours in MM battles. The containers will provide paints and augments which will most probably not help the few hulls and turrets they own.

The difference will never be reduced because Tanki continues to develop new equipment.

Need a sketch to still understand?

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/21/2023 at 12:05 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Buyers, already having a complete garage, are out there buying the 290 Ultra Containers package which will guarantee them to get IMMEDIATELY the latest most powerful equipment made by Tanki.

Only the mega buyers are gonna be buying that which is about 23k tankoins. Regular buyers aren't gonna be shelling out $276+ for this. If I were to spend that much, then I better be guaranteed to get many good items, not just a slim chance to get something good.

 

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/20/2023 at 9:17 PM, PirateSpider said:

Actually, a free player can get all of these, might not be as quick, but can definitely get them.

 

decades.