esports Winter eSports TankiFund 2023

[Dopamine 2,161]

@Person_Random I remember you also had predictions going on there before, will they also be included this time or something changed?

[Gabku 194]

On 11/19/2023 at 11:06 AM, 2shots2kills said:

I see, thanks for the effort of showing me those screenshots. That's interesting, I assume you play it like some sort of indirect Thunder, focusing on mobility to avoit close range dps turrets?

Basically yes. Back when I started, Magnum's angle was much lower so I could also use it as a melee turret believe it or not, Hornet was just the right height to hit anyone in front of me if they tried to make me damage myself, and back then Hornet overdrive was actually useful and somewhat OP so it also helped with melee people coming at me. But when the angle got changed this became harder, tho still doable with some weight shifting of the hull. But when Hornet OD got "nerfed" it became basically impossible to kill melee people so as you said I started avoiding close range people. I guess it could be compared to Thunder's playing style, but maybe a bit better since I can also hit people behind walls.

[Akame 4,577]

On 11/18/2023 at 5:33 PM, Macabre said:

Yet, Fuast was nerfed after a month unbelievable 

Nerfed? Lol, it's still just as strong for most part

[Macabre 207]

On 11/19/2023 at 1:24 PM, Akame said:

Nerfed? Lol, it's still just as strong for most part

It still got nerfed none the less. Prior to the update, you could chain salvo shots with no delay whatsoever. Right now I can't just mindlessly spam Salvo because I know I'll be a sitting duck for the next 3.2 seconds. Still strong regardless, just not as broken as before. 

[SvinafellTroll 94]

On 11/19/2023 at 5:59 AM, frederik123456 said:

@Person_Random I remember you also had predictions going on there before, will they also be included this time or something changed?

This one is harder to predict since people are holding back, but based on past trends, this one probably finishes around 15 million.

 

Just not a good fund as usual. Sure, it's "free" or whatever but at the end of the day, the only thing worth going for in the first 30 million is just a lottery ticket for the giveaway, which is a 0 sum game. 

 

It's honestly sad that the tanki concept itself is good, but wasted by the devs. The current team only cares about monetization and it shows. Most of the events this year (ex. Halloween, last trash fund, rally car, build a tank, etc) are just exercises in finding the "maximum willingness to pay" of the player base. Who cares about the actual game experience right?

 

Yet still, people spend money on this game. Figures. But that's also the funny part of the tanki economy. The more an item is bought/demanded, tanki scales back the offering by either making it more expensive, or making the offering worse. (again, it's all about the maximum willingness to pay). So in a sense, the silly buyers who buy now are effectively sacrificing future benefit.

Choose carefully stupid buyer! 

Edited November 19, 2023 by SvinafellTroll

[Showbot 819]

fund aint lookin good pal

[Limanda 45]

On 11/16/2023 at 3:19 PM, emrakul said:

I won't be explaining the "every tanki fund is statistically free" idea, which is the reason I consider these rewards free and so... even few containers are good.

I get the idea of this, but the fund is not a true freeroll.

Only 50% of the tankoin (TK) entry fee goes towards the fund at tiers 2 (2990 TK) and 3 (19990 TK) purchases. The true payback of the fund is hard to predict since you would have to know the percentage of 1st/2nd/3rd tier entries, but I don't think it will be >80%. (factoring in the million added at intervals). And 80% is certainly not bad, but it does not cement your argument, because it presupposes that tankoin is a readily available asset to all players to speculate with. And that is not the case.

The newly added TK cost for upgrading turrets and hulls should be consider as a warning. This is the first time in Tanki history that regular, in-game progress has been tied, not to crystals, but to the separate, monetized currency of TK (outside of module slots, which have been readily available in minigames etc.) I see no reason why TK pricing would not be implemented for drones, augments, grenades & other dazzling future inventions. And not to give you ideas, but why should not the much anticipated contract missions turn out to be bought with TK?

In addition to being a long time player with a probably extensive economy, you are also a helper, and as such you receive TK compensation. I don't think you are in a position to advice plebs on how to spend this very limited resource.

[Portgas 15]

Even if we reach lvl 30 its still skip

[PirateSpider 1,489]

This fund might have been worth it, but 50 tiers is just too much and makes it impossible to complete.

If it was cut down to 30 tiers, then more people would have bought into it. Of course this would mean that the following changes would have to be made:

 

• All 11 mono paints being crammed into 1 slot. {40 tiers}

• the 5 "MLN TK to the fund" taking up only 1 slot. (Could be a suitable halfway point) {36 tiers}

• the 5 "1x nuclear supply" being crammed into 1 slot. {32 tiers}

• the 5 "3x weekly containers" being crammed into 1 slot. {28 tiers}

• the 5 "5x ultra containers" being crammed into 1 slot. (Personally would add 5 more to make it satisfying) {24 tiers}

• the 5 "15x regular containers" can be crammed into 2 slots. First slot can have 30 and the second can give 45. {21 tiers}

That would leave 9 tiers that would need to fill up.

Think maybe 3 winter themed animated paints, 2 non status turret augments, 1 hull augment, 2 slots that contain at least 500k crystals each, and another skin or skin container. All this should really boost the value of the fund.

[Person_Random 4,991]

On 11/19/2023 at 2:59 AM, frederik123456 said:

@Person_Random I remember you also had predictions going on there before, will they also be included this time or something changed?

Yep, they should be up soon! Right now the model is not very accurate as it doesn't have a lot of data, so I've taken the liberty of putting it as N/A for the meantime, but within a few days it should level out to some more sane predictions.

[Zurya 76]

On 11/18/2023 at 1:46 PM, Gabku said:

At the end of the day, it's still Magnum that is being hated on for being too strong, so guess I'll take that as a win  

and in any 1v1 im going to win

and in any mode that isnt TDM i'll be winning

i wont change my stance on magnum, you wont either. 

agree to disagree

cheers

Edited November 19, 2023 by Zurya

[emrakul 7,801]

On 11/19/2023 at 8:40 PM, Limanda said:

I get the idea of this, but the fund is not a true freeroll.

True, which is why I always try to quote it as "statistically free".

In fact, every non-esport tanki fund so far (as I recall... maybe I forgot about one) has been a slight net profit, usually about 200 tankoins. And the last esport tanki fund was also a profit of a bit over 200 tankoins thanks to the extra +1m-added-to-fund tiers. So I should probably even say you are passively gaining free tankoins by buying the basic 990 bundle?
However, it's still correct reality is something else and you might be just unlucky and lose every time... which happened to me on an account where I really wanted to win at least once.

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On 11/19/2023 at 8:40 PM, Limanda said:

Only 50% of the tankoin (TK) entry fee goes towards the fund at tiers 2 (2990 TK) and 3 (19990 TK) purchases. The true payback of the fund is hard to predict since you would have to know the percentage of 1st/2nd/3rd tier entries, but I don't think it will be >80%. (factoring in the million added at intervals). And 80% is certainly not bad, but it does not cement your argument, because it presupposes that tankoin is a readily available asset to all players to speculate with. And that is not the case.

Only the first bundle is worth in my opinion. I don't think I every bought any of the other ones, just because I don't consider them worth the price. If you want those paints, it might be worth it, but those bundles are certainly not worth, if your goal is profiting off the fund draw, but only if you want the bundle contents.

It's not possible to calculate the total number of each bundle purchases, even if you know the total number of "tickets", since you have 3 bundles with unknown number of purchases, which can't be solved. In the past funds, I tried estimating the purchased amounts by eliminating the largest bundle (assuming that it was bought 0 times), and even tho the result could be off by a lot, the ratio of small to middle bundles was surprising, it almost seemed like many people bought both of them. I don't remember the results, you could try to search my old posts, but the result somewhat surprised me. That was before the token of apology, which certainly inflated the number of cheap bundles, which also decreased the chance to win. Before the token, average winrate was I think about 20-22% and after it dropped to 15% or maybe a bit higher. Still a huge drop, if you realize that the minimal winrate is 1/8 (12.5%).

On 11/19/2023 at 8:40 PM, Limanda said:

The newly added TK cost for upgrading turrets and hulls should be consider as a warning. This is the first time in Tanki history that regular, in-game progress has been tied, not to crystals, but to the separate, monetized currency of TK (outside of module slots, which have been readily available in minigames etc.) I see no reason why TK pricing would not be implemented for drones, augments, grenades & other dazzling future inventions. And not to give you ideas, but why should not the much anticipated contract missions turn out to be bought with TK?

It was mentioned many times contracts are "paid missions" (and I think it was also mentioned they would cost tankoins? not sure about that), so that doesn't really surprise me. As for the other purchases, it's fine as long as tanki provides enough free to play sources of tankoins to be able to pay for those upgrades. Even then, I'm not exactly a fan, because the only consistent source of tankoins are weekly missions and challenges. Weekly missions require you to play all battle modes, which I dislike. Not a fan of being forced to play all modes and I usually just suffer through. Challenges are not ideal, I'm too used to premium and I don't think I'd bother completing them at all without it. On the other hand, they added more tankoins to tutorial and maybe something else is coming. We'll have to see.

On 11/19/2023 at 8:40 PM, Limanda said:

In addition to being a long time player with a probably extensive economy, you are also a helper, and as such you receive TK compensation. I don't think you are in a position to advice plebs on how to spend this very limited resource.

Of course, but I usually don't talk about an account with all the extra stuff. I have a bunch of completely "free to play" accounts, which gained no benefits a regular player couldn't obtain (tokens of apology and similar) and probably even less, because I mostly don't complete challenges or weekly missions and so I barely gain any tankoins at all. I actually calculated all of the statistical nonsense around tanki funds for those accounts, to see if or how much it is worth buying a tanki fund bundle. Of course I had a few accounts with so little tankoins, that I avoided buying it and decided to wait for a better one, but in the total, the summed up results were almost identical with the theory.
If you are an active player, you are able to earn enough tankoins to participate in almost every tanki fund for free. 4 months have passed since last fund, in that time you could earn 800 tk from challenges and another 400 from weekly containers. Also, if tankoins are a very limited resource for you, tanki fund is literally the only single purchase worth the price. Compare it with any other bundle, event or battle pass. Bundles are always giving less value, even right now the tanki fund rewards are probably better than average random 1k tankoin bundle. Maybe some events are slightly better, but they never give you a chance to get the tankoins back. A f2p player will never be able to buy hundreds of ultra containers or other expensive items, so the best option is choosing the best value and no other option is even close to tanki fund. Even if you don't consider the "statistically free" as a relevant argument, it is still better than anything else.
If you really don't care about the average rewards and rather want to get a dream skin or you are waiting for something very specific, then it could be worth not participating. However, then your goal isn't the best value, but a specific item or goal.

Ooops, I did it again.

[Limanda 45]

On 11/19/2023 at 11:45 PM, emrakul said:

Also, if tankoins are a very limited resource for you, tanki fund is literally the only single purchase worth the price. (...) Even if you don't consider the "statistically free" as a relevant argument, it is still better than anything else.

I did agree with this reasoning before the recent updates, but no longer as they have implemented garage upgrade costs in TK, and you can expect more such costs to come. That is my whole point. With 1k TK you can max out a garage at current upgrade costs, and another thousand TK will probably take you quite a ways with future costs to come. The value of this is a lot higher than any fund could possibly be.

I consider the"statistically free" argument highly relevant, and if I had 10k TK I would buy the 990 entry instantly, no matter how poor the prizes. Probably also if I had 3-4k. But with mostly <2000 TK balances, the fund is gonna be a hard pass even with it it reaches level 50, at least on any non-legend account wit a lot of stuff missing in garage.

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Limanda

[SvinafellTroll 94]

On 11/19/2023 at 5:45 PM, emrakul said:

True, which is why I always try to quote it as "statistically free".

In fact, every non-esport tanki fund so far (as I recall... maybe I forgot about one) has been a slight net profit, usually about 200 tankoins. And the last esport tanki fund was also a profit of a bit over 200 tankoins thanks to the extra +1m-added-to-fund tiers. So I should probably even say you are passively gaining free tankoins by buying the basic 990 bundle?
However, it's still correct reality is something else and you might be just unlucky and lose every time... which happened to me on an account where I really wanted to win at least once.

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Only the first bundle is worth in my opinion. I don't think I every bought any of the other ones, just because I don't consider them worth the price. If you want those paints, it might be worth it, but those bundles are certainly not worth, if your goal is profiting off the fund draw, but only if you want the bundle contents.

It's not possible to calculate the total number of each bundle purchases, even if you know the total number of "tickets", since you have 3 bundles with unknown number of purchases, which can't be solved. In the past funds, I tried estimating the purchased amounts by eliminating the largest bundle (assuming that it was bought 0 times), and even tho the result could be off by a lot, the ratio of small to middle bundles was surprising, it almost seemed like many people bought both of them. I don't remember the results, you could try to search my old posts, but the result somewhat surprised me. That was before the token of apology, which certainly inflated the number of cheap bundles, which also decreased the chance to win. Before the token, average winrate was I think about 20-22% and after it dropped to 15% or maybe a bit higher. Still a huge drop, if you realize that the minimal winrate is 1/8 (12.5%).

It was mentioned many times contracts are "paid missions" (and I think it was also mentioned they would cost tankoins? not sure about that), so that doesn't really surprise me. As for the other purchases, it's fine as long as tanki provides enough free to play sources of tankoins to be able to pay for those upgrades. Even then, I'm not exactly a fan, because the only consistent source of tankoins are weekly missions and challenges. Weekly missions require you to play all battle modes, which I dislike. Not a fan of being forced to play all modes and I usually just suffer through. Challenges are not ideal, I'm too used to premium and I don't think I'd bother completing them at all without it. On the other hand, they added more tankoins to tutorial and maybe something else is coming. We'll have to see.

Of course, but I usually don't talk about an account with all the extra stuff. I have a bunch of completely "free to play" accounts, which gained no benefits a regular player couldn't obtain (tokens of apology and similar) and probably even less, because I mostly don't complete challenges or weekly missions and so I barely gain any tankoins at all. I actually calculated all of the statistical nonsense around tanki funds for those accounts, to see if or how much it is worth buying a tanki fund bundle. Of course I had a few accounts with so little tankoins, that I avoided buying it and decided to wait for a better one, but in the total, the summed up results were almost identical with the theory.
If you are an active player, you are able to earn enough tankoins to participate in almost every tanki fund for free. 4 months have passed since last fund, in that time you could earn 800 tk from challenges and another 400 from weekly containers. Also, if tankoins are a very limited resource for you, tanki fund is literally the only single purchase worth the price. Compare it with any other bundle, event or battle pass. Bundles are always giving less value, even right now the tanki fund rewards are probably better than average random 1k tankoin bundle. Maybe some events are slightly better, but they never give you a chance to get the tankoins back. A f2p player will never be able to buy hundreds of ultra containers or other expensive items, so the best option is choosing the best value and no other option is even close to tanki fund. Even if you don't consider the "statistically free" as a relevant argument, it is still better than anything else.
If you really don't care about the average rewards and rather want to get a dream skin or you are waiting for something very specific, then it could be worth not participating. However, then your goal isn't the best value, but a specific item or goal.

Ooops, I did it again.

we've already gone through this. You can only make generalizations like this when you have a large sample size. 

 

A player could enter 6 straight funds (over the course of 2 years) and assuming that the chances of winning are 1/7, there's a 40% chance (almost a coin flip) that they would put in 6000 tk and win 0 times. 

 

From the mindset of someone who has only 1500 tankoins, and earns 1500 a year, you don't spend tankoins on junk that you don't even want, even if it's "statistically free".

 

In your world, if the fund cost 1000 tankoins, the chances of winning were 1%, and the prize is 100,000 tankoins, you would also say that it is "statistically free" blah blah blah. But no one in their right mind would buy into such a fund because it's "statistically free". Same logic applies here. 

[Atomic_Tanker 249]

lol, there's another minigame out apparently... check your daily missions, you get "gingerbread men" - the new currency
but no event website is there yet... maybe they released the "gingerbread men" today by mistake, or will they make the announcement at 13 UTC?

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Edited November 20, 2023 by Atomic_Tanker

[emrakul 7,801]

On 11/20/2023 at 1:03 AM, Limanda said:

I did agree with this reasoning before the recent updates, but no longer as they have implemented garage upgrade costs in TK, and you can expect more such costs to come. That is my whole point. With 1k TK you can max out a garage at current upgrade costs, and another thousand TK will probably take you quite a ways with future costs to come. The value of this is a lot higher than any fund could possibly be.

I consider the"statistically free" argument highly relevant, and if I had 10k TK I would buy the 990 entry instantly, no matter how poor the prizes. Probably also if I had 3-4k. But with mostly <2000 TK balances, the fund is gonna be a hard pass even with it it reaches level 50, at least on any non-legend account wit a lot of stuff missing in garage.

If you don't play enough to earn all the tankoins available from weekly missions and challenges, then you are probably right to wait for a better tanki fund.
As long as you are completing those weeklies and challenges, you'll easily earn enough to buy every turret and hull upgrade, and after that every tanki fund is a no brainer. The possibility of tankoin cost on other garage upgrades shouldn't be a problem because you are earning enough.
I understand it's difficult choice if you got under 2k tk, without consistently earning more, but in that case your situation is just different to the one I was talking about.

On 11/20/2023 at 3:53 AM, SvinafellTroll said:

we've already gone through this. You can only make generalizations like this when you have a large sample size. 

 

A player could enter 6 straight funds (over the course of 2 years) and assuming that the chances of winning are 1/7, there's a 40% chance (almost a coin flip) that they would put in 6000 tk and win 0 times. 

 

From the mindset of someone who has only 1500 tankoins, and earns 1500 a year, you don't spend tankoins on junk that you don't even want, even if it's "statistically free".

 

In your world, if the fund cost 1000 tankoins, the chances of winning were 1%, and the prize is 100,000 tankoins, you would also say that it is "statistically free" blah blah blah. But no one in their right mind would buy into such a fund because it's "statistically free". Same logic applies here. 

Been there, I should count how many times I lost on a f2p account, because it's starting to be really frustrating at this point. I can still do a few more funds and as long as I don't get really damn unlucky, I should be able to win once and then hopefully keep up the winstreak.

It's funny, but for me a terrible fund is better than a good one, because fewer f2p players invest their token tankoins into cheap bundles, which drags down the winrate by a few %. That sounds like nothing, but some old funds had a 1/5  (~20%) winrate and the most recent one was almost 1/7 (~15.4%), which suddenly looks like a crazy change.

And you are right, it's more likely to be statistically worth it if the winrate isn't astronomically low.

I could probably mention clearly that if tankoins are really valuable resource, that you earn very slowly, this probably doesn't apply for you. I assumed most of forum users are active players, without problems to earn enough for the next fund. I'll try to do that in my future posts.

[EN_YT_Seif802 1]

@Soothing yes it will stay 1 month

 

[EN_YT_Seif802 1]

@Macabre bro it is 115 UC 225 RC 45 WC 

if you calculate the WC rewards it's look like that: 

5K crystal x 45 = 225K 

100 from each supplies = 4.5K (if you wanna buy this with crystal it is = 225K) 

8 tankonis x45= 360 (990-360= 630 that's what you will buy ) 

100 nuclear supplies 

3 pulsar augment 

5 skins (3 GT . 2 SC )

and some paints 

that's exactly what you will get (i don't calculate the UC and RC rewards think about it brother ) 

[ZAINWAJIH 72]

On 11/20/2023 at 5:56 PM, seif802 said:

@Macabre bro it is 115 UC 225 RC 45 WC 

if you calculate the WC rewards it's look like that: 

5K crystal x 45 = 225K 

100 from each supplies = 4.5K (if you wanna buy this with crystal it is = 225K) 

8 tankonis x45= 360 (990-360= 630 that's what you will buy ) 

100 nuclear supplies 

3 pulsar augment 

5 skins (3 GT . 2 SC )

and some paints 

that's exactly what you will get (i don't calculate the UC and RC rewards think about it brother ) 

this is pathetic fund , it will not reach even 25 level 

[SvinafellTroll 94]

On 11/20/2023 at 7:56 AM, seif802 said:

 

that's exactly what you will get (i don't calculate the UC and RC rewards think about it brother ) 

im thinking really hard about it brother. can i count on you to get us to level 50? 

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 11/20/2023 at 11:50 AM, emrakul said:

you'll easily earn enough to buy every turret and hull upgrade,

What about the MILLIONS of crystals needed to upgrade turrets/hulls and the overpriced protections. I'm going on about the lower ranks of course and those higher ranks who rank far to quickly and have below standard protections for their rank.   

This game has went up in price by a huge factor, while the actual game play has went down hill by a huge factor.

Introducing a pricing system for the next module via TK is the first small step for yet another rip off, especially against the F2P.

On 11/19/2023 at 7:40 PM, Limanda said:

you are also a helper, and as such you receive TK compensation. I don't think you are in a position to advice plebs on how to spend this very limited resource.

 @Limanda is not wrong. As a helper, just like the you tube lot, you get freebies all the time.

The "plebs"  make do with the little they can get, which is not very much in this P2W cash grab game. 

[Limanda 45]

On 11/20/2023 at 12:50 PM, emrakul said:

I should count how many times I lost on a f2p account, because it's starting to be really frustrating at this point.

This is not an accusation, but do we have reason to trust that this lottery is done fair and square? Sure I've seen lists of winners in the pasts, but they were just Bills and Bobs to me (and I have never been one of them).

[God.Of.Thunder 3]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:25 AM, Macabre said:

Apenas como um lembrete para todos, o fundo WInter Major do ano passado tinha 20 níveis. E teve:

1- 8 Aumentos no total (4 Lendários e 4 Exóticos).

2- Efeito de tiro Armadillo, Crysis e Blaster para Gêmeos.

3- 2 recipientes de pele, 30 regulares e 30 ultras.

 

Todas essas recompensas estavam dentro de 20 níveis no total. Agora compare essas recompensas com os primeiros 20 níveis deste fundo,,,

 

Not even if we compare the 50 levels, it doesn't come close to last year's.

 

[Biome 166]

On 11/21/2023 at 2:20 AM, Limanda said:

This is not an accusation, but do we have reason to trust that this lottery is done fair and square? Sure I've seen lists of winners in the pasts, but they were just Bills and Bobs to me (and I have never been one of them).

I wonder why the devs scared to use a public randomizer and use some random thing that they created. I have every reason to believe it is rigged and personally I don't know any f2p who actually won  the lottery from tanki fund. Now I am just saying that part but if there is a good fund with unique augments i would be equally happy with not winning so I hope tanki can actually put some augments they addded but havent gave us a chance to get like hyperspeed augs.

 

On 11/20/2023 at 8:51 AM, Atomic_Tanker said:

lol, there's another minigame out apparently... check your daily missions, you get "gingerbread men" - the new currency
but no event website is there yet... maybe they released the "gingerbread men" today by mistake, or will they make the announcement at 13 UTC?

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that was a bug or stuff i had that yesterday and today is gone

[SvinafellTroll 94]

On 11/20/2023 at 10:58 PM, Biome said:

I wonder why the devs scared to use a public randomizer and use some random thing that they created. I have every reason to believe it is rigged and personally I don't know any f2p who actually won  the lottery from tanki fund. Now I am just saying that part but if there is a good fund with unique augments i would be equally happy with not winning so I hope tanki can actually put some augments they addded but havent gave us a chance to get like hyperspeed augs.

There's no reason to peddle baseless conspiracy theories. It's totally normal to not win a fund. Unless you have gone 10 straight funds without a win, I wouldn't raise any suspicions. Personally, I'm f2p and I've gone 1/6 so it's about what you would expect.