a few words

[Gabe2607 215]

On 6/21/2024 at 6:33 PM, Dayzed said:

I get it, you need buyers to have a nice experience 

Buyers, to have "a nice experience", would need to be few, possibly in the same team, against a bunch of free players. So they would be feel so highly skilled, when they actually have a tank 20 times stronger. 

That is not the case anymore. Majority of players are or have been buyers. Free players are gone. Therefore it is now heavy buyers vs light buyers. It would not be "a good experience" for them too. But then comes age.

Age has been dropping dramatically. Young teens playing this game have "still-developing" brain functions. They get happy with a new skin. With gold drops. They get excited for a new augment. They write gg when their team loses 7-0 or when their K/D is 6/21.

And Tanki keeps feeding candies to these kids. If you play on mobile, you shoot somewhere and you kill. In the meantime PC experience is neglected and you find invisible stones flipping you, your keyboard keys will get stuck at least twice in the same battle, you will not get point while shooting at the center of a tank and get killed long time after you took cover. Long times to reach garage. Passing through boxes unable to pick them up.

Every day it gets worse.

 

[CD12f 208]

On 6/14/2024 at 10:31 PM, E_polypterus said:

then lets do it yes

cant  just left the forum rn  maybe ill join tomorrow dunno im forum disabled

[FLIPSTIKS 136]

On 6/19/2024 at 11:00 PM, Maf said:

Well, spoiler alert — it's always been like that. Since 2009.

Says the player who gets freebies on a plate on a regular basis.

Try making a new account with no help and not spending, lets see how well you do.

Your posts invariably make my skin crawl.

Can't wait to meet you in battle, oh wait I did and you ran just before the end because you were embarrassingly useless. My only regret was that I did not kill you before you ran.

Spoiler alert - you have always done that.

The amount of times you disregard players and defend your best pal hazel is becoming boring, change your tune are get a job and quit tanki. The latter seems more appealing to me.

[JustBlackWolf 875]

On 6/20/2024 at 12:00 AM, Maf said:

Well, spoiler alert — it's always been like that. Since 2009.

oh yeah i'm sure buyers with M3 weapons at Wo5 could instakill any hull whether it had protections or not against it.

The only thing i remember is Railgun m3 oneshotting hornet m0 on a average damage roll, and even then you just had to buy Safari to prevent that from happening.

And on top of this, you didn't have to spend thousands of dollars to get your favorite combo maxed and a paint to have some fun. 

Those were some of the best times, and i'm sad that GTanks came out so late it had to close due to lack of players.

Nowdays the game is riddled with bots playing from mobile or clowns abusing emulators on PC because autoaim is better than suffering when you use smoky. On top of this it's also filled with Chinese players that have all the augments and more, god i miss the russians so much.

This game is done for.

Edited June 22, 2024 by JustBlackWolf

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/22/2024 at 12:20 PM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Says the player who gets freebies on a plate on a regular basis.

Try making a new account with no help and not spending, lets see how well you do.

Not sure what your point is here, because I never said that free players have it easy.

I did make a new account in 2011 and I played for 4 years without any freebies. It was a struggle, and I'm sure it's still just as much of a struggle these days, just for different reasons. At least these days you can play special modes for free, and "grind" rewards in some of them quite effectively without even wasting supplies. Back in pre-2014 you had to pay for a no-supplies battle pass, and even then you'd be a low rank with M0-M1 joining a battle full of high ranks with M3 equipment.

On 6/22/2024 at 12:20 PM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Can't wait to meet you in battle, oh wait I did and you ran just before the end because you were embarrassingly useless. My only regret was that I did not kill you before you ran.

Spoiler alert - you have always done that.

 (...ok?)

On 6/22/2024 at 1:00 PM, JustBlackWolf said:

oh yeah i'm sure buyers with M3 weapons at Wo5 could instakill any hull whether it had protections or not against it.

The only thing i remember is Railgun m3 oneshotting hornet m0 on a average damage roll, and even then you just had to buy Safari to prevent that from happening.

And on top of this, you didn't have to spend thousands of dollars to get your favorite combo maxed and a paint to have some fun. 

Ok yeah, this is true. The "top tier equipment" purchase ceiling has gone up substantially, since you can't just buy the best augments and drones directly anymore. But my statement is still not wrong:

• 95% of the battles are all buyers equipment enabled. - In early 2010s it was just as hard to find a suitable no-supplies battle, and a battle pass had to be purchased to play them.
• Probably 80% of players are/have been buyers - Not not true now and not true back then, but whatever that percentage is, I doubt it changed much through the years.
• 100% of OP equipment is only for buyers. - OP equipment in early 2010s meant infinite supplies. Only a buyer could have that realistically.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/22/2024 at 4:55 AM, Maf said:

95% of the battles are all buyers equipment enabled. - In early 2010s it was just as hard to find a suitable no-supplies battle, and a battle pass had to be purchased to play them.

Not to mention that supplies and crystals were scarce back then. There werent many ways to get them, and all the methods didn't give you very much.

On 6/22/2024 at 4:55 AM, Maf said:

100% of OP equipment is only for buyers. - OP equipment in early 2010s meant infinite supplies. Only a buyer could have that realistically.

I remember the days when players who were approaching the m1 ranks would be facing against players who bought the m1 smoky and titan product kit (forgot what the kit was called, so i'll call it m1st kit) in the early ranks. Not only was the kit strong by itself, but the m1st players would usually have it fully upgraded which made them even more powerful. And to top it off, they would also be spamming their supplies.

Same thing when m1 players were moving on to the m2 ranks and would encounter voltage kit players (m2 railgun and dictator).

Man, those times were brutal.

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/22/2024 at 11:11 PM, PirateSpider said:

Not to mention that supplies and crystals were scarce back then. There werent many ways to get them, and all the methods didn't give you very much.

I remember the days when players who were approaching the m1 ranks would be facing against players who bought the m1 smoky and titan product kit (forgot what the kit was called, so i'll call it m1st kit) in the early ranks. Not only was the kit strong by itself, but the m1st players would usually have it fully upgraded which made them even more powerful. And to top it off, they would also be spamming their supplies.

Same thing when m1 players were moving on to the m2 ranks and would encounter voltage kit players (m2 railgun and dictator).

Man, those times were brutal.

Yeah, those product kits were a whole other story. And remind me, weren't they totally P2W? Like, if I remember correctly, they were sold only in the Shop for actual money, some for as much as $75, so there was absolutely no way to get them at the earliest rank without paying.

So there you go — buyer-exclusive OP equipment in Tanki, added more than 7 years ago.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/22/2024 at 12:20 PM, Maf said:

Yeah, those product kits were a whole other story. And remind me, weren't they totally P2W? Like, if I remember correctly, they were sold only in the Shop for actual money, some for as much as $75, so there was absolutely no way to get them at the earliest rank without paying.

So there you go — buyer-exclusive OP equipment in Tanki, added more than 7 years ago.

Not only that but how early you could get them and fully upgrade them. If I remember correctly, kits bought with crystals would unlock 4-5 ranks before they would unlock individually while kits bought with $$ would unlock 2-3 ranks before the crystal kits.

I think the m1 kits were a few measly bucks, the m2 kits about $20 or so, and m3 lists around $50 or more?

But yeah, it was not a fun time being F2P especially the low and mid ranks back then.

[Gabe2607 215]

On 6/22/2024 at 7:55 AM, Maf said:

 

 

On 6/22/2024 at 7:55 AM, Maf said:

• 95% of the battles are all buyers equipment enabled. - In early 2010s it was just as hard to find a suitable no-supplies battle, and a battle pass had to be purchased to play them.
• Probably 80% of players are/have been buyers - Not not true now and not true back then, but whatever that percentage is, I doubt it changed much through the years.
• 100% of OP equipment is only for buyers. - OP equipment in early 2010s meant infinite supplies. Only a buyer could have that realistically.

Wrong. I do not think I was around in 2010, but in 2014 (approx) I made it to Legend without using Supplies (or money). Try now. Several Free Players back then: I guess it is me and a couple others remaining since. % of buyers literally skyrocketed simply because you cannot make it otherwise. 

But the main point is: are you aware that, to the infinite supplies, they have been adding drones, augments and extra equipment? 

And: back then you could get all equipment with crystals. Now you need tankoins just to upgrade. As a Free Player with poor garage, you have to play a week full time to make 100 tankoins.

It used to be Pay to Win. Now it is Pay to Participate.

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/23/2024 at 3:02 AM, Gabe2607 said:

Wrong. I do not think I was around in 2010, but in 2014 (approx) I made it to Legend without using Supplies (or money). Try now. Several Free Players back then: I guess it is me and a couple others remaining since. % of buyers literally skyrocketed simply because you cannot make it otherwise. 

First of all, neither of us have the actual data for Tanki's revenue and number of buyers. I agree that the number almost certainly increased, but not because people were "forced" to start spending money due to increase of P2W, but rather because devs added more attractive monetisation features, such as containers.

Making it to Legend without using supplies or money has always been possible, back then as well as now, so I'm not sure what your point is here. It's just a question of how long it will take.

On 6/23/2024 at 3:02 AM, Gabe2607 said:

But the main point is: are you aware that, to the infinite supplies, they have been adding drones, augments and extra equipment? 

Yes, but don't forget that supplies are now very easy to get for F2P players, so I wouldn't consider them a P2W feature anymore. Drones are not that expensive either. The biggest thing is augments, which are P2W indeed. Not sure what you mean by "extra equipment".

On 6/23/2024 at 3:02 AM, Gabe2607 said:

And: back then you could get all equipment with crystals. Now you need tankoins just to upgrade. As a Free Player with poor garage, you have to play a week full time to make 100 tankoins.

You don't need tankoins to upgrade anything besides number of module slots. Tankoins are only given as an alternative currency when you run out of crystals.

On 6/23/2024 at 3:02 AM, Gabe2607 said:

It used to be Pay to Win. Now it is Pay to Participate.

It's not P2P until you have to pay a fee to join battles. This isn't even a matter of opinion, just definitions.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 6/23/2024 at 5:52 AM, Maf said:

You don't need tankoins to upgrade anything besides number of module slots. Tankoins are only given as an alternative currency when you run out of crystals..

You micro-upgrade the turret or hull with crystals then purchase the next modification for a small number of Tankoins, totalling 33 Tankoins per turret/hull from Mk1 to Mk7.

Edited June 23, 2024 by TheCongoSpider

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/23/2024 at 4:08 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

You micro-upgrade the turret or hull with crystals then purchase the next modification for a small number of Tankoins, totalling 33 Tankoins per turret/hull from Mk1 to Mk7.

Oh yeah, I forgot they did that. Why did they do it again?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:38 AM, Maf said:

Oh yeah, I forgot they did that. Why did they do it again?

 

[Gabe2607 215]

On 6/23/2024 at 5:52 AM, Maf said:

First of all, neither of us have the actual data for Tanki's revenue and number of buyers. I agree that the number almost certainly increased, but not because people were "forced" to start spending money due to increase of P2W, but rather because devs added more attractive monetisation features, such as containers.

Making it to Legend without using supplies or money has always been possible, back then as well as now, so I'm not sure what your point is here. It's just a question of how long it will take.

Yes, but don't forget that supplies are now very easy to get for F2P players, so I wouldn't consider them a P2W feature anymore. Drones are not that expensive either. The biggest thing is augments, which are P2W indeed. Not sure what you mean by "extra equipment".

You don't need tankoins to upgrade anything besides number of module slots. Tankoins are only given as an alternative currency when you run out of crystals.

It's not P2P until you have to pay a fee to join battles. This isn't even a matter of opinion, just definitions.

I do respect you because you show up for a discussion. But you insist in misrepresenting the truth. First, you are not playing as a "born free player", correct? Probably, you never did. I am not accusing here, just stating a fact, which explains why you are missing the Free Player (disgusting) experience. Now, use a Brutus, play without augments, pick only two or three turrets/hulls between the older models, play on a PC and spend a full week on Tanki like that. Feel free to use all the supplies you want. I would love to see it...

Someone has done that for a decade. You do not think we can recognize Buyers from Free Players? That we cannot see the disappearance of Free Players? 

In the past Buyers, with their infinite supplies, were... at least 5 times stronger (double armor, double damage, double speed, mines, health)? Now, including drones and augments, we are talking about at least 20 times stronger (actually quite unbeatable, as they have constant access to health reset). 

Forget the P2P definition given by a dictionary. Nowadays many kids are paying and not winning. That is, in reality, Pay to Participate. 

Thanks to TheCongoSpider for the clarification on tankoins. A Free Player would not "forget" that, because now either we upgrade our equipment wasting the few tankoins received as gift over the years, or leave the game altogether, as we are constantly pushed out of the door.

[FLIPSTIKS 136]

Lets clarify this issue.

Tanki back in the day. Supplies, paints and the kits from the "JOKE" shop. That was it, nothing else. I could go on quite a bit, but that's the gist of it.

Tanki now. P2w events. Massive hike in prices across the board. No protection modules until general rank. Drones that "YOU NEED" in order to deal the minimum required damage. You MUST upgrade your drone fully in reality to play (compete) 

Containers nerfed and they are nerfed, regardless of the recent changes they made.

Augments that have totally turned the game upside down.

Floating scrapheaps that are ridiculously hard to kill because of their sideways motion. These players don't even have to turn their turret.

Auto aim for the children on their mobiles which is another huge advantage they have over pc players.

I could name at least another 20 changes over the years that have made TO crap compared to what it was as far as game play goes.

ANYONE thinking that the game is better now with all these changes really should be in a padded cell.

On 6/22/2024 at 12:55 PM, Maf said:

(...ok?)

That the best you got.

 

On 6/23/2024 at 10:52 AM, Maf said:

It's not P2P until you have to pay a fee to join battles.

Technically true.

In reality, a load of crap, and you know it is.

On 6/23/2024 at 10:52 AM, Maf said:

Drones are not that expensive either.

Really.

Try upgrading defender even with a sale. You seriously need to think before you post. I no it's not your strong point, but please try.   

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/24/2024 at 2:14 AM, Gabe2607 said:

First, you are not playing as a "born free player", correct? Probably, you never did.

I created my account in mid-2011 and became a helper in early 2015, so I've had 3.5 years of F2P experience. I do remember how rough it was.

On 6/24/2024 at 2:14 AM, Gabe2607 said:

Now, use a Brutus, play without augments, pick only two or three turrets/hulls between the older models, play on a PC and spend a full week on Tanki like that.

Funny you should say this, because this week I'm doing exactly that on my old F2P alt. I got the 15 year loyalty gift on it and decided to take advantage of the free Premium to grind some exp and finally rank up. I don't have any augments or fancy drones, so it's quite difficult, especially when I get thrown into Legend battles (the acc is General).

On 6/24/2024 at 2:14 AM, Gabe2607 said:

In the past Buyers, with their infinite supplies, were... at least 5 times stronger (double armor, double damage, double speed, mines, health)? Now, including drones and augments, we are talking about at least 20 times stronger (actually quite unbeatable, as they have constant access to health reset). 

Yeah, the augments are rather ridiculous these days. I think the biggest problem is actually the amount of augments that give you insanely high burst damage and huge damage increase with little penalty. So things like Vacuum augments (Striker, Magnum, Thunder), Hyperspeed augments (Gauss, Railgun, Thunder, Smoky), as well as Helios, Duplet, Faust, etc.

On 6/24/2024 at 2:14 AM, Gabe2607 said:

A Free Player would not "forget" that

Free player or not, most people playing since 2011 already have all their equipment upgraded to Mk7 and haven't needed to pay tankoins since that update came out.

[FLIPSTIKS 136]

On 6/24/2024 at 8:52 AM, Maf said:

(the acc is General).

Could we all see a screen of this account in it's entirety, or you could tell us the name of the account so we can check it out.

I'm personally interested in how many protection modules you have and there upgrade level, this tells a lot about how you actually manage your account.

On 6/24/2024 at 8:52 AM, Maf said:

Helios

This augment is crap against TRUE Legend players and only works against much weaker opponents, lower ranked players usually. I know this to be true because I have it on a alt which is major general. Against my own rank and below I do well with it, against true Legends I do jack. It's maxed out MK7 by the way.

 

On 6/24/2024 at 8:52 AM, Maf said:

Free player or not, most people playing since 2011 already have all their equipment upgraded to Mk7

2013 and my account is nowhere near maxed out because of the huge amounts of resources needed to do so and the constant updates that vastly reduce your ability to improve your account, unless of course you spend cash.  <<<---- This is the requirement to do well in the game, especially if your a low to mid rank player.

 

On 6/24/2024 at 8:52 AM, Maf said:

and haven't needed to pay tankoins since that update came out.

Players should not need to pay anything when their equipment is maxed and ready for the next MK.

Can we see a pattern here, It's called GREED.

After all the insight I have gave you, you still continue to get it wrong, deliberately or otherwise.  

Edited June 24, 2024 by FLIPSTIKS

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/24/2024 at 4:00 AM, FLIPSTIKS said:

ANYONE thinking that the game is better now with all these changes really should be in a padded cell.

Nobody here is claiming that the game is better now.

In fact, I'll just update the original statement that you all apparently got so worked up about:

On 6/20/2024 at 2:00 AM, Maf said:

Well, spoiler alert — it's always been like that since 2009, but lately it got worse. 

 

On 6/24/2024 at 4:00 AM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Try upgrading defender even with a sale. You seriously need to think before you post. I no it's not your strong point, but please try.   

It's 500k crystals with a 50% sale. Maybe I'm just out of touch, but 500k doesn't seem too hard to save up for a high rank player these days. Especially since you can pay step by step.

On 6/24/2024 at 1:48 PM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Could we all see a screen of this account in it's entirety, or you could tell us the name of the account so we can check it out.

I'm personally interested in how many protection modules you have and there upgrade level, this tells a lot about how you actually manage your account.

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/MAFFIOZA

You're welcome to watch my progress as I work my way up to Marshal rank. I only have one decently upgraded combo, a fully upgraded Brutus drone, one decent set of 3 protection modules, and about 3k of each supply.

On 6/24/2024 at 1:48 PM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Players should not need to pay anything when their equipment is maxed and ready for the next MK.

 Well, yeah. I agree that the tankoin fee for upgrading to the next modifiction is rather... bizarre. Like, it's not a large amount (one piece of equipment Mk1-Mk7 is just over 1 set of weekly missions in tk amount), but devs still decided to add it for some reason, even though the effect on their revenue would probably be miniscule.

On 6/24/2024 at 4:00 AM, FLIPSTIKS said:

In reality, a load of crap, and you know it is.

I don't know why you and Gabe are so adamant about this, but ok.
P2P, P2W, F2P, P2F... call it whatever you want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[FLIPSTIKS 136]

On 6/24/2024 at 12:04 PM, Maf said:

t's 500k crystals with a 50% sale. Maybe I'm just out of touch, but 500k doesn't seem too hard to save up for a high rank player these days. Especially since you can pay step by step.

And I have stated multiple times that the account I'm on is very low ranked.

500K is a huge amount to low ranked players.

On 6/24/2024 at 12:04 PM, Maf said:

Like, it's not a large amount (one piece of equipment Mk1-Mk7 is just over 1 set of weekly missions in tk amount), but devs still decided to add it for some reason

Just greed, nothing else.

The devs will scam cash/tankoins from players anyway they can. You no this, so why do you not say it instead of skirting around the obvious answer.

On 6/24/2024 at 12:04 PM, Maf said:

I don't know why you and Gabe are so adamant about this, but ok

Because It's the truth.

 

On 6/24/2024 at 12:04 PM, Maf said:

You're welcome to watch my progress as I work my way up to Marshal rank. I only have one decently upgraded combo, a fully upgraded Brutus drone, one decent set of 3 protection modules, and about 3k of each supply.

This is a very weak account, but that's your business. You obviously do not care much for it to rank it so much without trying to make it competitive.

I suppose having an account that is subsidised by the devs makes up for it. Either way you still have no idea what it is like to be a low ranked player in 2024. 

It's extremely hard to achieve anything because of the constraints put onto low rankers.  

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/25/2024 at 12:57 AM, FLIPSTIKS said:

This is a very weak account, but that's your business. You obviously do not care much for it to rank it so much without trying to make it competitive.

Interesting. I'm not offended or anything, but it's interesting that this is your opinion on it, especially since I created this account specifically with the intention of making it an "OP F2P account", taking advantage of what I learned while playing on my main acc and not repeating the same mistakes. And it was indeed very OP at around 2015, because that's when I saved up for the Wasp Isida M3 kit to buy it at Brigadier, which was a huge advantage at the time.

I'm actually on the upper end of GS at that rank, so again I'm not sure what makes you think the account is weak (other than lack of options, I suppose). That being said, so far around 70% of battles I end up in are up to Legend rank, so in that sense my gear is barely good enough to stay competitive.

I still sometimes manage to get first place in those battles even with my "weak" account, so I guess it goes to show that it's not all P2W and skill still matters in Tanki, eh? 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

On 6/22/2024 at 5:00 AM, JustBlackWolf said:

On top of this it's also filled with Chinese players that have all the augments and more, god i miss the russians so much.

I'm Chinese tanker and I don't have all of those (shiny) augments. 

[JustBlackWolf 875]

On 6/25/2024 at 5:45 AM, FrozenRailgun said:

I'm Chinese tanker and I don't have all of those (shiny) augments. 

there's exceptions.

[FLIPSTIKS 136]

Ok I will try my best to be nice here @Maf

You call this a battle with Legends, I call it players who have ranked far to high beyond their means to be even remotely competitive.

Take a look at the player below you. I have a colonel rank with 2K G/S higher than that. As for the rest of the team, I mean really.

Technically, yes they are Legends, in reality, cannon fodder for true Legends. 

You say your account is 2015 and was strong back then, just shows you how much the game has moved on, because it makes your account weak now. 

I had a feeling your account was an old one and because of all the negative updates, it now makes it average, at best.

This is not your fault so much as the devs. They have killed your account, just like so many others and unless you spend cash (which is what they are hoping you do) your account will never be truly effective, especially when you eventually rank to Legend.

This is your account, if you say you do well with it then you do well, but going up against proper Legends will have you thinking otherwise. 

Edited June 25, 2024 by FLIPSTIKS

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/25/2024 at 8:29 PM, FLIPSTIKS said:

You say your account is 2015 and was strong back then, just shows you how much the game has moved on, because it makes your account weak now

Yeah, that's just standard power and feature creep. I'd be better off if I kept playing through the years, as I'd be able to take advantage of things like increase battle rewards, tanki funds, even the Token of Apology. I'm not saying power creep is good or correct, but it does mean that the game is not kind to old returning players.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/25/2024 at 10:23 AM, Maf said:

Yeah, that's just standard power and feature creep. I'd be better off if I kept playing through the years, as I'd be able to take advantage of things like increase battle rewards, tanki funds, even the Token of Apology. I'm not saying power creep is good or correct, but it does mean that the game is not kind to old returning players.

Especially to those who did not manage their crystals properly. My very first account is a great example of this. Made alot of mistakes early on such has buying equipment at full price, buying extra equipment that I don't need, etc. Now that its rank is general it just seems near impossible for it to compete with anyone that's even close to its rank. And as each year passes, that gap just seems to get bigger and bigger.