ok thanks, it means its totally useless unless if someone wana rank up fast.

I understand your point and u r right, but now the topic turned into why no significant difference between thunder m2 and m3, am waiting to do another test on splash range, we will be putting a tank near to the wall and will be using m2 and m3 thunders, will start moving the tank gradually away from the wall, that will show the splash range if its the same or not, also will be doing another test on if damage effect from 40 meters is the same or not.. hopefully i find the time to do it.

thunder is best played with titan and faster tanks and not mammoth, cuz it needs quick moves to do tricks .. this is my opinion, may be u r right, titan is much smaller than mammoth, mammoth is so big and slow to do maneuvers, and with a skillful hornet player with thunder can beat a thunder with a slow mammoth, unless if they are on double speed, but again mammoth is one of worst tanks in this game, for its big size making it vulenrable to be hit, not to mention lot of maps doesn't allow mammoth to pass through lot of passages that other tanks go go through easily.. thank you

this trick of hitting the nearby wall doesn't work anymore if u play against another skillful player, in summary i used always to be thunder player, now it has been announced that its considered as tire 2 gun, smokey is faraway better its a fact, so plz people try to accept this fact, get anti thunder paint like rust with smokey and see the results, cuz thunder players will be always using antithunder paints not to hurt themselves.. regards

yes but the issue in here is why no difference between thunder m2 and m3?

cuz i wish from administrators to pay attention to the facts i mentioned.. i hope they are studying what i did suggest thoroughly just take a look at the old thunder difference between m2 and m3 Uploaded with ImageShack.us

we will be needing for a combo antithunder anti smokey paint for thunder users

I adore thunder with its amazing sound when u r wearing headsets, its a real thunder, and makes u feel u r driving a real tank :(

The best gun till m2 is thunder but not for m3 .. but since u don't have it.. and wow u have hunter m1 "though viking is much better since u r not going for m3" that can work pretty fine with isida and freeze m1 .. when we play its not just to win, mammoth just makes u lose your nerves and u wont enjoy the game even if u win.. u r gona sweat a lot lol pal use hunter .. so focus on your hunter m1 its of 150 armor compared to 200 just for mammoth and to just 95 of wasp m1 .. and don't forget u can with hunter or wasp get much more easier to the bonus falling drugs.. that brings u great advantage .. with hunter or wasp use either isida or freeze, or smokey .. Shaft is just with mammoth m1 no need to tell u but it doesn't work fine with most maps, u know how does it feel when u r static "camping", trying to snipe, and u don't know there is an isida or a freeze behind! that really hurts, beside u will be just sitting as an observer, sharing in no action, u r the guardian that your team will appreciate, but u wont get into bonuses .. u just watch them take it all .. did u ever get rank 1 with shaft and if it happens, its only when u r drugging, or you will be playing in one of those maps that suits just railgun and shaft.. that barely can get good battle funds even if the winner without drugging .. cuz the kill rate is gona be too slow

silence is not a place for thunder .. its for freeze, isida, twins, firebird and shaft, it can be of thunder only when u play on top stage

the results about viking were not stable as u said .. but with mammoth and titan.. then smoky was the winner .. am thinking to go for smokey m2 .. and no need for m3 .. no difference at all according to statistics

so you still believe that thunder is good with high ranks like yours? lets say with a very skillful player, i got once with my thunder and at my current rank "Bragidier" 35 D/L ratio with a big battle in iran lasted for 1 hour

The problem with Firebird, its cool.. but with CTF, CP and DM u just cause them damage while u get killed, until another one in your team get the kill for himself Its always a great weapon against isida and all short range guns .. but it its hard to get first rank with it although can make your team win.. unlike freeze .. its a much better weapon

I have isida m3 but lost it as a penalty down to M2 it was doing much greater than thunder .. I think with Marshal i will be going for another weapon that work for most maps .. Ricochet, Twins seems good Don't know why people say Rico is powered down ! its M3 is very different than its M2 .. i think its still the strongest weapon for most missions

cuz no mods or adms is answering yet.. but its ok i apologize, i first wrote it here , then i thought its not the suitable place.. so i opened it another place :) sorry again i will not continue it in here thanks

yes thats y i said critical hits as i observed is much more than 8% .. i have received from a double powered smokey M2 two consecutive critical hits .. but didn't die cuz was on double armor :D The problem with thunder players is that they mostly need an anti thunder paint to protect themselves .. that makes the paints available much less for them SplitterPoint i know your point since the start .. but as you said they have to re check their statistics .. the info provided "not so sure" have to be rechecked ..

Yes thats right.. i already mentioned this before .. no difference between m3 and m2 .. its a very mini mini difference.. they focused on fire rate as 23.7 Vs 24.7 and so what? its / minute .. can you imagine any difference within few seconds? lol and a damage of just 5 difference ! am gona raise this issue under complains Thunder M3 must have a better respect, if it stays as it is now, i don't recommend anyone to go from m2 to m3 I suggest that developers raise the rank required for thunder m3 at same time increase its rate and fire power and price

Thunder total damage / min 85 (Damage) X 24.7 (Rate) = 2099.5 damage/ min Smoky Total Damage / min without critical hits 36 (damage) X 38.7 (Rate) = 1393.2 damage/ min Smoky M3 Critical hits = 8 % 38.7 X 8 / 100 = 3.096 = 3.1 critial hits / min 38.7 total shoots - 3.1 (shoots with critical hits) = 35.6 (pure shoots with no critical hits) Smoky Fire without adding fire with critical hits = 35.6 X 36 = 1281.6 damage / min Critical hits damage / min 3.1 fires + critical hits / min = 3.1 X 190 = 589 Total Smoky damage by ordinary fire + critical hit damage = 1393.2 + 570 = 1982.2 Despite that Smoky Beats Thunder when face to face from a distance of 10 meters wih each tanks statics Possible Explanation: upon using 2 m3 hornets in testserver.. While thunder tries to shoot 3 fires Smokey can shoot causing the same damage effect within 2.5 fires of that of thunder .. it means the third thunder fire wont gona happen cuz smokey will be preceding in speed .. However mathematically this is not true and according to the information mentioned for each weapon ! This has been noticed without the critical hits .. what about long range.. thunder loses lot of its power .. smokey is a longer range gun Another Note.. Critical hits as i noticed.. they don't happen in 8% .. but at least 15% Tests upon Thunder vS sMOKEY was done while both with no paints, and of same tank.. again smokey wins without critical hits if both are using mammoth m2 More tests will be done about this .. and thats why thunder is called tier 2 gun i guess Any other observations by you?

Thunder total damage / min 85 (Damage) X 24.7 (Rate) = 2099.5 damage/ min Smoky Total Damage / min without critical hits 36 (damage) X 38.7 (Rate) = 1393.2 damage/ min Smoky M3 Critical hits = 8 % 38.7 X 8 / 100 = 3.096 = 3.1 critial hits / min 38.7 total shoots - 3.1 (shoots with critical hits) = 35.6 (pure shoots with no critical hits) Smoky Fire without adding fire with critical hits = 35.6 X 36 = 1281.6 damage / min Critical hits damage / min 3.1 fires + critical hits / min = 3.1 X 190 = 589 Total Smoky damage by ordinary fire + critical hit damage = 1393.2 + 570 = 1982.2 Despite that Smoky Beats Thunder when face to face from a distance of 10 meters with each tanks static Explanation: While thunder tries to shoot 3 fires Smokey can have the same damage effect within 2.5 fires .. it means the third fire wont gona happen cuz smokey will be preceeding This is even without the critical hits .. what about long range.. thunder loses lot of its power .. smokey is a longer range gun Another Note.. Critical hits as i noticed.. they don't happen in 8% .. but at least 15% Tests upon Thunder vS sMOKEY was done while both with no paints, and of same tank.. again smokey wins without critical hits if both are using mammoth m2 I think some mistake is going on

i think its not the DM.. as rewards will be distributed over all.. but its any battle in which there are 2 teams .. but biggest battle fund can be found with more tanks available and smaller map .. like iran .. and not kungur .. as with kungur u have more tanks, but too big map that few kills happen

Depends on map and battle type Give us your favorite map and favorite battle type .. then may be people in here can suggest for u a good thing

when u r going to face smoky m2, twins m2 .. u will change ur mind about thunder Not to mention... many players still think that Rico has lost its power.. well hell NO .. Rico m3 is the best gun for most battles, with a range of 80 meters distance its just like the range of thunder and much more powerful fire balls

u r right .. but when there is a fast freeze with the enemy team.. then its better not to take the front lead than following the big tanks until they take down that freeze then u can do the rest ;)

The best most powerful and useful for almost most maps combo is titan m3 with smoky m3

Dictator is very difficult to handle even with M3 .. you can't do maneuvers with it .. Mammoth is too wide to cross through narrow ways that titan can cross easier Mammoth better played with freeze in Farm, Waves, Combo, Island.. may be another one map more or with Shaft of course ,, but not for thunder as thunder needs quick moves for tricks