@Fufususumumu1: Finally, a reasonable post. :lol:

@Fufususumumu1: Right. I manage to counter all his opposing points with my own, and make him think otherwise, and yet you still say that I'm "hopeless." All the facts are against you, and you still fail to acknowledge anything. Good luck on embarrassing yourself. Lel. :lol: Try to come up with a solid argument next time, not just throwing a temper. Maybe that's why you think I'm being condescending. You're bringing it onto yourself. Lol! @Rustynail: The solution your thinking of makes drug-use in a battle inconsistent in a way. . . The way you put it, there'll be a small surge of drug use, and then a long(er) cooldown. However still, you'd have 234 drugged tanks going head on with each other, which cancels out the affects. Then, when they've no drugs to defend themselves with due to the longer cooldown, they are easily taken down by others who will drug right after. Though the Smart Cooldowns were meant to bring in strategy, all while keeping drug-use consistent. When drug-use remains consistent, and when only a few can be used at once at your leisure, you get a more balanced, flowing, and dynamic battle. . . Again, there is more than one way of doing things. So calling anyone who simply doesn't "get" that way of doing things a "kid" would be inaccurate, and in my opinion, arrogant.

It's a very nice feature that I'd agree with. And true, it shouldn't cost crystals just to preview it. Lol.

@Above: PERFECT. And good point from Semyon Kirov. They don't make you shoot it. If you want, just refrain from shooting it, and anywhere near it. If you can't, then don't play in that map. It's simple. They won't change it, especially since it was given to them for free.

@ fufususumumu1: It's quite a surprise it took you this long to finally choose to block me. I would've thought you'd do it sooner. Also, do keep in mind that this would be PUBLIC forums. What you are doing would only affect me directly if it were in PMs. :lol: And if you can actually read English, my posts do reside within the topic. However, it's not my fault that the only English you can read is the equivalent to text messages on a phone. Also, if you actually took a step back and looked at the whole scenario, it would be YOU acting like a clown. Also, tooting my own horn about how smart I am? Oh sorry, my fault for understanding how the game works and discussing why the idea wouldn't work. Get it? You're supposed to discuss the topic, not make lies about someone. What a hypocrite. Also, I wouldn't use the term brainless. It is only a couple of people who are simply ignorant and choose to be narrow-minded. Which is why they have no strong argument, and tend to resort to calling me names and saying how I don't understand. In this case, you're saying that my posts are simply wasting space when you obviously don't know how to read. Do work on your comprehension skills and try to come up with better arguments. And if you do and simply cannot come up with arguments, and yet still persist to resort to immature backlash, then you simply do not acknowledge who is right and who is wrong, and simply not open to new ways of seeing things. Hence my usage of "narrow-minded." Nowhere am I trying to toot my own horn. I'm simply defending the arguments that I present. I make valid reasons. You don't. Instead, you're the one wasting space here with that post. You seriously cannot back up anything you say. So have fun living in your own world. After all, ignorance seems to be your dominant trait. But true, I wouldn't count on much common sense or logic coming from someone who's actions show this much immaturity. Sorry, but the world does not revolve around you. It reflects that you think so when you start trying to get others to "ignore" me as well. I simply am not the right audience for you, since I propose arguments and points that you cannot counter against. However, when you propose an idea, especially in a topic, be prepared to actually discuss it, not just say "yes" or "no" to it. And if you can't, then stay out of it instead of making pointless insults. I'm not the one getting upset. I'm just presenting my points. So I would suggest you to calm down, and not be so angry. Lol. (edit) Good job. You edited and thus deleted your post. Know your limits. :lol:

It's physically possible sure, but it's still not an option. Looks like we're repeating this whole thing again. :lol:

Except that option is not available, given the points I had said before.

Can you point out the parts of my posts that you find to be "trolling?" People can get offended so easily. Lol. :lol: Also, my age is not far from the age you mentioned. You should NOT judge a person's age by his/her typing ability. That's ignorant. It is clear and understandable. But I guess some people can only read posts such as text-messages. -Sigh- Oh well. And that level of English is NOT used until the 12th grade, you have no idea what you're talking about. In 12th grade, the grammar and vocabulary should be much higher quality. Your exaggerations make it tough to take you seriously. It's the equivalent to blind accusations and whining. And? Do 9 year old kids belong here? At least take a glance at what you agree to when entering forums. Lol. My criticism would be straight-forward, but I reply in the same attitude as the person would reply back.

Well that's how the game goes. It WILL change in the future. So if you don't want to adapt to new changes, then of course gameplay is going to be uncomfortable for you, and it is going to always be that way unless you find some way to adapt. However, telling Tanki Online, the whole company, to take a big step back, is not an option. Your idea of removing Kits and re-adding x3 Drugging, after all the hard work Devs did? And then saying how your opinions are the truth? Yes, that's stupid. Lol. Of course, if you don't fit, then you'll be uncomfortable. It's common sense. And? If I don't like an idea I'll explain my reasons why. And I'll reply to any responses opposing my reasons, justifying them. It's simple, you can't hold up a proper discussion, and ideas like this belong in the pinned threads. But then again people are just so desperate for attention, Lol. :P

The kits did initiate a change in the game - something you need to adapt to. That's why it's such a problem for you. By the way, there were more updates than just kits. Tanki does try to fix any problems the best way they can, just like any other company, and it's so selfish of you to call them greedy. It's sad that you don't really know what a game that doesn't care about its community is really like. The Devs are hard at work with new updates for the community. That includes you if you didn't know. And if you know that Tanki Online is also a business, then do accept that fact, and suggest more reasonable ideas - ones that are actually helpful and up to date in where the game is heading. You're stuck in the past, and your posts reflect that. You're suggesting irrational ideas, which result in them just being whining and complaints, furthermore you try to "bump" them almost endlessly until someone steps in. It is flood. I is absolutely not the "truth." Your attempt to delude yourself is awfully painful to look at. LOL. It's amazing when people don't get their way. They lie to themselves and start calling their stupid opinions the "truth." It's not the truth that hurts, it's the stupidity and desperate delusion that is behind those opinions. (edit) You want replies simple such as "yes I like idea" or "no I don't like idea?" Then you should just post it in the pinned topics, instead of making a whole other topic, which would be for more in depth discussions and arguments against it. I hope you can read and understand basic paragraphs such as this. Otherwise, the English forums may not be for you. ^_^

@Corpsecrusher: And that's an opinion. ^_^ An opinion that has already been categorized as horrible, and impossible to extremely not likely - justified with valid evidence and points. Sure it may bring satisfactory to you, but again, the game doesn't revolve around you, and there is a business behind it, something you don't seem to understand. Also, you guess a person's age just by their typing/vocabulary? That's such an ignorant claim. Just another excuse so you feel that it's ok for you to just spam pointless posts, etc. etc.

@Corpsecrusher: Well unfortunately for you, we can't see what's going on in your mind, so it's your job to make sure the idea is shown properly. :) That's why you simply cannot hide behind the whining of "you don't understand :(" when the way you try to demonstrate the idea just makes you look ridiculous. But even so, the idea is ridiculous. Tanki Online already decided to go with kits quite a while ago, and it's clear that they will not take back the idea - only modify it. So the best thing you can do is free yourself from the past, and instead of whining/complaining about things, to accept them and continue making better ideas for the future path of Tanki Online. Lol, and? THAT is complicated?

" in the old tanki i didnt need to drug to get to the top score, it was really rare for me to do that, i didnt need to spend a single drug to be the top killer... watch this video from the old tanki (2012) and tell me if you see ANYONE drugging. ~Video~ Seems like the person with the most health packs wins... MODS please do not close this topic i wanna see what people think! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lol, read it carefully. There is no proposed suggestion/idea. :lol: Then later on in the posts, you suggest Kits be taken out of the game. You don't realize what you're talking about, really. Tanki Online doesn't revolve around one person, and it is a business. -Shakes head- And to my current understanding, paragraphs confuse you? Huh. . . .Interesting.

Drugging became more popular when Kits came, yes I agree. Come back when your reading skills exceed that of a 2nd grader's. So why don't you try and make some more valid posts and participate properly in a conversation? You shouldn't be so biased or narrow-minded. Instead, step-back and be willing to listen and consider others' views. Otherwise, you will never be able to talk about these kinds of things properly. (edit) And of course, the person who downvotes my comment is non other than an alternate account of someone's. :lol: It's funny, since it happens when I put this in the beginning of my post: "Satisfied by my arguments? Yes, I am. :D And it seems others are too, as shown with votes here, and with past posts. " It's absolutely surprising how desperate/immature people get, and the grudges they hold.

Satisfied by my arguments? Yes, I am. :D And it seems others are too, as shown with votes here, and with past posts. ^_^ Well if it came out that way, then whoops. What I meant was, there are multiple ways to make money. There's not just ONE way to do it, and thus, it results in better ways than others, etc. etc. And also, what you did has a major flaw. You did the ./addcry command. LOL! :lol: If you didn't realize, Micro-upgrades are a gradual thing- bit by bit. They were not meant to be like regular Modifications where you get it all at once. Of course they're expensive as heck! It's a one-currency game. And of course you do not take heed that people can EARN crystals too - and use them on MU's! Did you know that? :o That's why it doesn't HAVE to cost you real $$$, and again, you earn it bit by bit. If you take a step back and look at it, you could understand it instead of keep calling TO greedy. Also, enforcing an obligatory drug interaction? Hehehe. . . . Ever heard of PRO battle passes? What do you think was the point of them being here in the first place? I'll leave that up to you to think about. And that was the idea however, "strategy." So then people can't just go god_mode on form, with the x3 drugs. . . .But eh. I'm still hesitant on that. Well, that's the thing. TO is a game that will keep changing, so you'll have to be ready for that. You liked the game back then, right? Same thing, I REALLY REALLY liked the game back then in like 2012 when I first joined. Then I joined Forums in 2013. . . . But that's how the game rolls. :P Then there will always be the people who haven't experienced what it was like in the older times (newbies), and who will obviously be attracted to TO in how it is now, etc. etc.

Thanks for including the link! +1 :D

You should include the link in the topic like Yisroel.Rabin and the other guy did. But I guess you don't have to. I'm just lazy. :P But THANKS!

All you're taking into account is money, money, money. Although that may play a part, you don't look at the big picture. In the previous post, you used the key phrase "all this." So you're rounding up the Drug Kits, Smart Cooldowns, etc. all into this. And yet you still do not acknowledge skill as any part of the purpose, when it was exactly the purpose when you look at things like Smart Cooldowns and what Devs had said. But anyways, so to you, you're implying that there's only ONE way to do it - which would be to raise the initial price of drugs. Sorry, but business is not that simple, especially in online games. You criticize how people MUST do this, and MUST do that, and the solutions you suggest reflect upon exactly that. Well then, how must Devs make money? If you haven't noticed, Devs make money when people BUY crystals with their own money, real money. And then they have to use that money to pay for the bills, servers, etc. etc. and then distribute it to each employee, etc. etc. In Tanki Online, (before MU's, and not counting Drugs, Passes, and Score Improvers), there are the Turrets, Hulls, and Paints. And there are only a set amount of them, so if someone owns everything at M3, they have nothing to buy. No more money coming from them to TO. Not many people MU until M3, nor do they spend real money on them due to the fact that their benefits are minimal. And do include the fact that there is only ONE currency in TO. We can earn everything the Buyers can, for free. And does it actually take more time, with all the give-aways and contests and double funds TO hosts for us? And since that is how things go, do you think that majority would buy when you could just earn the same exact things buyers could? It's a one-currency game, so be prepared for "expensive" prices. Also, if you didn't notice, Tanki Online actually DOUBLED everyone's supplies at the start of this new update. How's that for money money money? So then we have Drugs, Passes, and Score Improvers. Although I do say so myself that I don't think people would actually spend real money on Passes and Score Improvers. That price could be bought just by earning them in-game. Which leaves Drugs as one of their biggest money-makers, no? So thus, drugs are pretty important to the game, and their rise in use was possibly bound to happen anyway. So now we go back to your suggestion of increasing the initial prices of the drugs directly. And I'd like to quote this from your own post "The reasonable, straight and honest attitude is the raise of the cost and whoever can pay can follow," Yes, whoever can pay can follow. LOL. When you increase the price of something, it's setting the bar higher, and pretty much setting restrictions in a way. Do Devs want to decrease the amount of players buying? Of course not! You see, it's not the same as increasing the quantity consumed. Just like other games around the web, you don't want to discourage the players from buying, and raising the prices directly will do just that. When something is viewed firstly as cheap, people will consider buying. When you raise it directly, you set off intimidation in a way, and make the product seem more unappealing. You don't want to drive people away before they even try out the product. By not touching the initial pricing of drugs, the Developers are keeping the drugs available to buy for everyone. So if we're talking about how manipulating the audience to buy something is being a hypocrite and liar, then (almost) every game dev in the world is a hypocrite and liar. Lol. Although I'd view it more towards "encouraging people to buy." It's simply business.

Yes, exactly. Back then, drugs weren't used that much - a claim both experienced, and that of which can be supported by others. So, what did TO do? They wanted to increase the use of them. After all, they are an important aspect of the game, AND a big money maker. Tanki Online runs on money for those who do not know. So that was the solution of making drugs more popular, and pretty much gain more money in the process. Though it shouldn't be looked at as something bad. Again, it's an aspect of the game that you can't take out, so your suggestion of eliminating the possibility for players to buy drugs is both extreme, and impossible. Did you know that? And strategy does come into play when you looked at what Devs were trying to do when implementing the Smart Cooldowns. If you checked, the Devs did agree that 234 showed no skill, really. Furthermore it was considered "pointless" because in the end, the drugs cancelled out. Not to mention the fact that x3 Drugging pretty much gave you no blind spots, it was overpowered. So that was the aim of Smart Cooldowns, to control the more active use of power-ups. So it's not necessarily "abusing" those terms. It's just the answer's right in plain sight, and some just don't seem acknowledge it. Basically you're going to have to realize that that was exactly the point. Devs wanted drugs to be used more. Though it's reasonable I guess, after all, what good was having a feature if nobody used it or was discouraged to use it? And how were they going to raise more money to keep the game running? So they increased drugging, and attempted to control it so it wouldn't spin out of control. Personally I'd favor this in comparison of making a "premium" currency and/or membership. *shudders* Everyone can aim for the same thing, and have the same options. Sure, some may not have the luxury of always being on par with others, but that's something you'll have to face when you're not the one donating to the game to keep it running AND developing for everyone to play, and enjoy.

If all you're trying to say is that Drugging was not a "problem" until Kits came, then there really is no point in "bumping" this topic. And like it or not, (drug) kits are here, and are here to stay, so tolerate their presence as they are a part of the game, and will NOT be taken out whatsoever. What is it so hard to understand? :P You're just being a flooder, sorry. I'm agreeing with the person above.

These kits get better and better, and balanced as well. No more Prodigis and Infernos for those lesser ranks, right? :D

Eh. In my opinion it was. Pointless topics were automatically shut down. Remember BarbaFenner89? :ph34r: @Chamelos: Yeah, well I think that was what the updates were SUPPOSED to do. The part where I said "Eh" was more of a reflection of what I thought of it, which was hesitant.

@Corpsecrusher: "back in 2012, drugging was still and has always been part of the game, only problem: kits, they increased the amount of druggers by a HUGE amount." YOU DON'T SAY? :rolleyes: Read my post. Again, what you're doing is pointless, TO will not remove these updates. LOL. In my opinion these topics should be closed already, and they WOULD'VE been closed already if the forum was like how it was before in 2012, etc. Much cleaner if I do say so myself.

@Corpsecrusher (Above) Read my post again, starting at "Tanki Online is a game that WILL change in the future. . . " Bottom line, TO will NOT leave any of their newer updates. They spent so much time, work, and money on them. So accept that fact, and move on. Rolling and whining about taking out these updates is futile, pointless, and pretty much SPAM/complaints. Yeah, the Kits did make drugging more common. . . . I guess one can look at it in this point of view: A. It decreased Money for Devs since it allowed players to buy in bulk, at amounts of up to 50% off. B. It increased drugging and threatened free-players, since they couldn't keep up with the x3 Drug Juggernauts. So then I guess Smart Cooldowns became the necessary solution. So then after that, TO became more popular in terms of drug usage, and the drug usage became controlled with the Smart Cooldowns. So I'm guessing TO achieved their goal: A. More drug usage. (You shouldn't be surprised. Drugging is a permanent part of the game, like it or not) B. More strategy involved with drugging. Which all equals to strategic and dynamic play. . . .Eh. . .

Yes, back when drugging was rare. :D But that's the thing, you were able to get "top score" because in the battle, nobody used drugs. However, this doesn't have anything to do with cooldowns, just drugs. So . what do you mean by dumb cooldowns, and what do you want people to discuss? The video doesn't connect with the subject of "cooldowns." Just drugs in general, and how you're saying that back then nobody drugged, and you were able to get a top score. . . . Tanki Online is a game that WILL change in the future. So instead of dwelling/struggling and/or discussing problems in the past, just move on already. Sure we can remember back then in 2012-2013, but no need to keep whining about how "good" it was back then especially since it's an opinion, not any sort of fact - even if the majority of the people we see think so. TO ain't ditching any of their newer updates, especially how they worked so long for them. . .