someone help me decide what to get for my WO3 account - current budget is 69 000 crystals: do I buy the expensive Swash paint @20 625 cry for Firebird and Twins (those Fighter kit users are strong) protection? do I buy the cheap Desert paint @17 250 cry for the huge Ricochet and Hammer protection? or do I buy the low rank (cheapest) Storm paint @6 750 cry for the huge Firebird protection? I already have Dragon paint with 2 MUs (24 Ricochet protection) and Marine paint with 4 MUs (14 Firebird protection). I'm going to get M1 Viking (14 475 cry) and Vulcan (21 225 cry) so (35 700 cry total) - Swash's Firebird protection will let me take less overheating damage but Desert's Hammer protection will allow me to survive 3 shots from Hammer (when using Viking anyway - I own M1 Titan with 9 MUs as well), overheating might cause me to self-destruct if I do take 3 shots from Hammer. Storm's Firebird protection is better than Swash's but the tiny Freeze and Hammer protection won't do much. get some other combo (not M1 Viking and Vulcan) - please write down. my preferred weapons are Shaft (already have it), Vulcan, and Hammer.

I agree with getting Osaka over Stinger. Isida is a short range weapon and is thus best used in small/medium maps where Medium and Heavy hulls do best, so while Stinger's Hornet and Fracture allows you to play on big maps, that's not where your turret does best, and the turret should be the basis of your every decision. Osaka's paint, while expensive (it comes in a cheaper kit anyway) does allow you to take on the guns that Isida really have problems dealing with, which is the hard-hitting Hammer (you get destroyed before you can even steal life) and other Isidas (just don't fight them 1v1 unless you have Isida protection). I bought Osaka just before the kits swapped because I wasn't sure which one to get (Osaka or Stinger) and don't regret it one bit. however, I do have one reason to stay away from Hornet M2, and that is my M1 Wasp with 32 MUs.

the rule penalizes ranking up - what's up with that? they won't buy more if they are not allowed to do so, which is what the rule does. I don't see the logic there. I don't see the logic behind locking players out of kits just because they are "too high ranked" for it, period. since when did games give you less options for having a higher rank? why not allow Generalissimos to buy M0s for "Collector" achievement?

add the spin-up and down to what? I don't see any reload stat or amount of energy + energy recharge rate (firebird/freeze/etc. has this as reload stat). are you saying a Vulcan M4 with Wasp M4 will self-destruct within 17 seconds (7 seconds no overheat firing + 1 second spin-up)?

as I have posted here and here. *I'm giving the links so I don't have to rephrase everything here. with emphasis on this post from the 1st link. anyway, the issue is, since the last set of kits was extended, I couldn't purchase the Striker kit on my now WO3 account - http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/RAG1NG_FORCE/ the kit is available now, but since my account (not this one) just ranked to WO3, the kit is no longer available for it because of the rule mentioned on the post linked above. this http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/RAG1NG_STORM/ account even ended up buying the Figher kit because the Predator kit took too long but that's fine. I doubt a decision will come from the developers (if they even get to know about this rule suggestion I have) to suddenly remove that rule if it even ever will be removed before the paint sale comes (which is the best time to buy the Striker kit) so I post here to find a solution to this problem. so, what (if there is even any that) can be done to solve my problem? I know compensations are given for stuff like "missed gold box opportunities" and other things, provided there is enough proof. my problem being a "missed (kit/event) discount opportunity", what can be done? I believe I gave enough proof being the link to the account's profile. PS: Striker kit is so cheap, that account would have bought the kit before it even reached the WO ranks if only it were available - but instead, the April 5 kits were the only ones available for nearly the entire month.

I don't see why you would want Titan M1 and Storm at that rank. I have a WO1 with Fighter kit as well and I say get Viking M1 or Striker kit to get a paint along with the Viking M1 (free Smoky M1 too). Firebirds may be common in battles around that rank, but Fighter kit users have other weapons they should worry about, just keep your distance from those Firebirds, or use that paint that Striker kit gives you if you chose to use the Viking (since avoiding Firebirds will be harder with that hull).

which doesn't make sense, because kits come with discount and are cycled around. not to mention the fact that kits have a huge chunk of discount with them and discounts from events stack with it. I think that rule was placed because of the old OP kits (so that only buyers can buy them) and because we used to have -50% discount all the time (beats most of the kit's discount) - in other words, its an outdated rule that needs to be removed. I don't see why WO5s would not be allowed to enjoy things like the Fighter kit especially when they bought other M1s early on causing them to not have the crystals up until after WO4. also, as I said, my WO3 wants that Striker kit. Like This if you agree! :)

it was a necessary change. right now, its very similar to Twins, let me write my comparison (let me know if there's something I missed): Twins pros: 1higher DPS around 15m (15m is when its shots starts to do less damage, doing 20% damage at max range), 2plenty of knockback that actually messes up someone's aim, 3no re-charge or charge-up. Twins cons: 1short range and massive damage drop (being 80% less at max range as said above), 2big bullets easily blocked by destroyed and allied tanks, 3slow bullets. Vulcan pros: 1longer range resulting to better DPS at range, 2instant hit bullets, 3shots can hit enemy tank as long as you have line of sight (destroyed and allied tanks does block your shot, but even if there is a tiny part of the enemy tank you have line of sight on, you can hit it since the bullets doesn't have radius), 4gyroscopic aim prevents enemy from knocking off your aim, 5can damage almost anything it can see (due to unlimited range and great auto-aim angles). Vulcan cons: 1slightly less short range DPS, 2some spin-up delays damage output (better than railgun's charge-up at higher ranks), 3needs to charge-up or you will take overheating damage (can be mitigated by Firebird protection or Freeze allies), 4slow traverse while firing. while Twins does have the raw firepower advantage, Vulcan's cons is covered by its pros leaving the player to abuse the pros unlike with Twins where you can't do much when something is blocking your shots. there are a few things I don't quite understand regarding Vulcan just by checking the Wiki or by playing it: how long can it fire before overheating (all ranks, not just M3)? - is it the Time taken to heat (s) stat? how overheated can it get (all ranks, not just M3)? - damage received and time before completely cooling it off. how long does it take to fully recharge when all charge is spent (all ranks, not just M3)?

you need to rank up to get smoky or twins. but if you can't pick between those 3, I guess Hammer is a good balance between the two - Twins is short ranged and Smoky is long range, Hammer is almost exactly the mid-range version of the two, but with more punch in exchange for continuous firing. doesn't matter if Hammer is weaker because its lower rank since they are M3, just spend the crystals left on MUs, its cheaper than both Twins and Smoky anyway. too expensive, won't have enough crystals if I do buy Predator kit.

yes, Vortex and Tundra are out of the question due to rank limitation. Jaguar gives Firebird protection for that Vulcan overheating but I don't think Freeze protection will help (which is where most of Jaguar protection is) as if a freeze starts attacking a Vulcan it won't be able to fight back (due to slow traverse while firing + freezing) and thus die unless saved by an ally. Swash from Striker kit would have allowed me to get Viking and Smoky M1 for free but the kit is not available for WO3 (only WO2 and below) - Swash gives me Firebird protection for overheating and Twins protection for those OP Fighter kit users but its quite expensive for the low protection it gives compared to - Desert - a very cheap paint for the protection it gives but focuses on Ricochet, then some Hammer (I already have Dragon with 2 MU - 24 protection), no Firebird protection at all. if Hammer is as strong as you say at those ranks, then Desert's 10% Hammer protection would be nice and will allow M1 Viking to survive the 3 shots from M1 Hammer but if I overheat the Vulcan, I might die still especially if its MU'd Hammer. sure I plan to MU the M1 Viking a few as well but still, that scenario could happen. since I plan on getting Vulcan, I chose Viking over Hunter. their health is very similar but each MU on M1 Viking gives more because M2 Viking is 9 ranks after it compared to M2 Hunter which is only 4 ranks after M1 Hunter. and since M1 Viking is much cheaper than M1 Hunter, I will definitely be able to MU it enough to be tougher than M1 Hunter. as for Predator kit, I played a lot of M0 Thunder and Viking on an alt here: http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/RAG1NG_STORM/ since it comes with Hunter, I should be able to do better with that faster hull but it doesn't come with Thunder protection paint and I'm sure it doesn't play the same at higher ranks. I also don't like the huge 17% +/- damage randomness allowing Wasps to survive two shots sometimes adding to the fact that its one of the lowest DPS weapons. I will have 18 500 crystals left though.

I was asking for my WO3 account... http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/RAG1NG_FORCE/ its got 69 000 crystals at the moment, and -25% M1 Vulcan and M1 Viking costs 35 700 together, leaving it with 33 300. it should have more than 34 000 left to spend for paints during the discounts.

for M1 Vulcan M1 Viking/Titan (9 MU) <- old hull, the Vulcan and Viking will be bought during discounts. which paint to buy with at least 34 000 crystals? only WO3 non-kit paints and lower. *damn Striker kit no longer available at WO3... or should I be picking between Predator and Anvil (don't want Siberian)? I prefer Twins (not available at WO3) and Vulcan over Thunder and Hammer, and Viking M1 over Hunter M1. didn't buy Fighter either thinking discounts will be 50%.

you can thank the rule I mentioned on a previous post for not allowing it!

pretty sure no discount will be running at the same time. depending on your timezone, you may see two discounts within a day, but you won't see them run at the same time as one discount ends before another starts. v-log shows two discounts overlapping because the discounts swap happen in the middle of the day (02:00 UTC). so, no - there will only be one discount at a time. to get the most out of your crystals, buy a kit during the time (not day) that the most expensive item in the kit is discounted. by the way, what's up with this rule regarding kits? "Kits will be available until your rank is higher than the rank needed to unlock all the items in the kit" I have a WO3 which only has two M1 - Titan and Shaft (the other stuff it has are M0s), and I'm planning to buy M1 Vulcan and M1 Viking for it. since Firebird protection is always good for Vulcan users, I thought - why not buy the Striker kit to get both the M1 Viking and Swash (has Firebird protection) and get M1 Smoky for free? not to mention the fact that the whole kit will cost less than the Swash paint alone during the paint discount. and the answer to that question I thought of, is - because of the rule stated above, buying Striker kit is not even an option. so please, explain to me the reason for this rule regarding kits. in my opinion, they should cut part of that and only keep the part that makes sense - "Kits will be available until your rank is higher than the rank needed to unlock all the items in the kit or a kit with higher modifications of the items is available at your rank."

these are 25% off only, I was expecting 50% off since that's the same discounts kits have, or are such discounts long gone?

forgot about my post, but it looks like I got some replies. I can't speak for Predator, but Fighter is amazingly OP. You would probably do well with Predator since your current combo is Thunder/Viking. Don't get Siberian it's not worth it. Get Predator or Fighter, either one would be good for you. not really planning to get twins on that account. I do have this Warrant Officer 3 account though, it just ranked up: http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/RAG1NG_FORCE/ its the "heavy hull" account so the weapons I intend to use with it are Shaft, Vulcan, or Twins. as can be seen, it uses Titan M1 (9 MUs) and Shaft M1 (5 MUs - I so regret buying it, its fun on maps like Madness but its not really my style) at 61,741 crystals, should I.. buy the Fighter kit (for Twins M1 early access - quite sure it won't use Hornet M1 most of the time), rank it up to Warrant Officer 4 (need 26,500 exp more) to get Twins M1 and Hunter M1 (when they are discounted), or something else - please say what it is.

got a Warrant Officer 1 with nearly 49,000 crystals waiting for the other kit set to come out, had it been out already, I probably would have already bought Predator kit for it. however, I found that at Warrant Officer 2 it can get Siberian kit. since neither kits won't be available for a few more days, it will probably have enough crystals to buy either kit once they are available. http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/RAG1NG_STORM/ its using Thunder M0 (15 MU), Viking M0 (17 MU), and Metallic (2 MU). also has Hornet M0 (19 MU). so, which one should I get ? Predator kit @50,325 crystals (-45%) Hunter M1, Thunder M1, Jaguar (23%freeze, 10%firebird, 5%thunder), Siberian kit @63,400 crystals (-50%) Hunter M1, Freeze M2, Tundra (30%railgun, 10%smoky), or something else - please say what it is Legend comes with Prodigy (much better paint than Nomad's Raccoon imo) so I'd go with that. unless you already have Digital (for railgun/smoky protection) and prefer a tougher hull like the Hunter, then I see no reason why you would even consider Nomad when you can get Legend. however, since you chose Tornado over Mosquito, I guess you do prefer a tougher hull. you don't have Digital paint as well, not even Tundra.

I have to admit, I am jealous of those players who I see using items from the other kit set. like this if you think both kit sets should be available for 30 days! *the last set stays for 15 more days - as it is at the moment. *the other set is also available now, and will expire after 30 days.

That makes terrible amounts of sense agreed. how about having kits from both sets available for these 15 days? or mix up the kits at the very least.

how come a simple refresh fixes the problem then? I've gone through boxes many times and all I did was refresh - I never cleared cache, at least not to fix in-game problems. also, just today, I was playing in sandbox dm, getting boxes just fine and even getting top spot. but then after the battle, I stayed, but I could no longer damage anyone. I even picked up a double damage box and went to attack a bunch of players fighting each other (since its DM) - I couldnt kill any of them and simply died by burn damage (they killed each other but I happen to be in the CoF of their attacks). when I realized I might be bugged, I went and let someone damage me, left him, then attacked someone who is already attacking another (I use isida); true enough, I was neither damaging him nor recovering life from self-heal.

pretty sure what he meant was that, if a firebird user can't burn anyone else other than the one about to kill him, the firebird user should just go rush the guy (so his tank stays within firing range) and do as much damage as possible so that the burn effect would (hopefully) kill him - if the firebird user attempted an escape, the burn effect may not be enough.

this is exactly why having more than one account is good.Hornet gets buffed that its much better than Wasp? Use an account with Hornet then. Things go the other way? Use an account with Wasp.

Wait, Isida can cancel burn/freeze effect of allies (1)? Or does attacking an enemy with your Isida cancel burn/freeze effect of your tank (2)?

I actually have many noob accounts, one for every turret except isida and smoky because this account (my main) already have isida and smoky is still kind of UP and not even fun to use. I used my main's recruit link to make all alts too. :D I don't see any goodenough reason to pick Hornet over Wasp other than the fact that Hornet is a very cheap hull.

I just wish the next time there will be a sale on MU, the MU time is also reduced. It sucks only being able to do 2-4 MUs per equipment during MU discount because each MU take forever.