AGAIN!!!!!????? Dumb even more in an already useless turret? Third time dumbing for Sledgehammer..

When will all overdrives be removed? When will protections be removed? When will a turret fire it's intended round, rather than multiple turret rounds (like smoky with freeze effect, vulcan with firebird effect)? By the way, why not Thunder with Hammer or Magnum or Shaft or Striker or Ricochet effect? After all, it all seems valid for you TO isn't it? 1) Titan overdrive is not so great. 2) Mammoth overdrive is stupid. The tank runs like an F1 car rechage and cannot sustain damage. Always getting the gold box that, by the way, no longger falls as much as used to be. 3) Viking overdrive... seems that there is always someone with it activated. And I almost swear, I've already watch the same gay use it 2 times in a row... I wich I know what chat command allow me to do it. For me it becomes a game of respawn to be immediatly killed. And also a game where, in the rare ocasions I'm doing well, (more because the others are doing worst, probably because they were casted out of the cheating beneficts), my browser crash with a big exclamation mark, leaving me with 30 seconds restarting time. So tell me TO... What chat command can be used to: 1) crash my adversaries browser, 2) to generate "an error occured" (follow by the game become crazy), 3) to disengage the browser from the GPU and leave my opponents with a jagged game? I think shaft should have 0 recharge time, after all, 1 shot one kill is not enough. I have Titan m3+ permanently being shot down by the same shaft with a single shot, even when I'm using DA. I have an idea for shaft, why not 0 recharge time and 360 degrees kill? This game is becomming more and more unfair. More options they add, even more unfair the game become. Then they tweak the parameters, but it is like a madness, already to much variables to tweak. It will never be tweaked to be fair. Tweak this... 15 drones + 7 overdrives (1 by hull) + 14 protections * 10 upgrades * 3 combinations + 4 alterations for each turret + DA /DD + 7 Hulls * 20 upgrades + 13 Turrets * 20 upgrades and since all stack up, in reality they multiply (not add).. I play the best and hard I can. In team battles I try to move my tank in order to maximize my team performance. Yet at the end of the game, when I get 1 kill 13 deaths, and I see other players with 30 kills 2 deaths, I wonder what am I missing? I guess... well maybe it is the tank + turret they used, then I check but there is no pattern in the combination hull turret. So I guess the game is rigged to favor some players anyway... I pray for the day an alternative will come, without the cheating system that TO put in place. On the other hand, maybe I start to work on this alternative, if I use the little time I have available to work on it rather than play on this rigged, cheating sponsored game.

Striker - almost instant death unless you have 50% protection Really? Granted I do not have mine with all micro updates, but even so I've seen viking resist to a torrent of uranium, and still kill my Titan, (granted also not fully micro upgraded but even so), going away and kill even 1 or 2 more... Even so, You should be right... after all, by always get 5 kills and 15 looses using Striker, I should consider myself a very lucky guy or an excellent player (wich I indeed am). I just don't know what to think about the other players that score better than me (5 to 8 positions above) with 30 kills and 4 losses, usually, Vulcans, Hammers, Isidas, Magnuns and Firebirds...

They did exactly this to me. A few years ago I used real money to buy Thunder. Next day they dumb it down. They further dumb it down 3 or 4 more times after. Fortunately I've promised myself NEVER again use any money. From battles I accumulated crystals, and I bought the Striker Uranium, and in the very next day, they slow the recharge time from 5% to 10%. They are now doing the same this time slowing to 20%, about 2 weeks or so after dumb it down for the first time. Imagine, If I had spent real money, I'll being burned by now... Moral, NEVER but NEVER waste your real money in this game. You are ALWAYS in the loosing side as if you were in a casino.

Do you all realise that we are just a band of inconsequent son( Censored by Viking4s, 24 Jan 2019 - 18:20 ), and that TO can't care less about our opinion and they never come here to read whatever we write, right? So... Why the effort to even come here complaint? This is their game, they can do whatever they want, and there is no complain or public identity / consumer defense that protect players and say to TO, "hey that was not what players agree when they start playing". Revert or pay fines to continue using servers and not being shutdown / censored in some / any country.

Actually I prefer that. Since I use money and bought my Thunder M2 many years ago, and on the next day they DUMB it down beyond believe, that I promise myself NEVER, but NEVER waste money on TO again. Actually for 2 times now, o leave the game for about 1 year, before I play again. It was fun to play in the very beginning. Now I only come, because I do not like to have an account active. May I delete it and bye TO, for good.... But If I have to pay, that would be the final incentive for me to leave, with or without TO account. On the other hand, If you and me have to pay, who would be the cannon fodder for the paying sponsored cheaters?

Only proves TO don't know what line of action they should follow. When I start to play this, in the beginning, I agree with whatever I found in the game. Since then, TO change the game to levels I didn't agree in the first time. About 3 or 4 changes in the missions!!! They never settle for something, they never fix to get a real balance, and when they ALMOST do it, they introduce any other change that destroy everything making the game worst.

Yeee... You are clear one of those guys that only play if you can win every time. For a "ONE Shot ONE kill" gun like Shaft, I don't understand why a faster reload time. To get more 1 SHOT = 1 KILL and everyone LIKE YOU come up with Shafts? The same observation for Magnum... And for Hammer with duplet.

I move from the long time used Hornet M3 to the more recent Viking M4. I went all the way up with Hornet M3, (not YET fully upgraded) to almost "Legent 1" rank only with Thunder M4 using as low as possible the supplies. It was a long journey. But it is becoming worst...

Cheat Sponsors. I try to do what you say. With my Thunder m4 and standart equipment, I get 50, 100, max 200. Damage per shot. To kill an adversary with 3000 armour in a single CQB, supposing none of us is using DA, DD, and with so slow reloading time, how many HOURS do I need shooting him? WHY? WHY Do I never win, even when I have the upper hand? (That is I shot first about 2 times before get hit first time from Hammer, Isida, Firebird, Magnun, Railgum, Vulkan....)

So, Cheating Supporters.. I got even closer with my Thunder M4 and sledghammer, or whatever it is called. And I explode better than my adversaries due to self damage. WHY????

They will not understand. They will never understand! They are in cruise mode, and don't listen. Maybe IT IS FORBIDDEN to understand.

Where is the simplicity and fun of the first iterations of TO? You at TO, clearly vowed to destroy the game. In an attempt to justify all your developer and supporter jobs, you are pushing into the game even MORE UNFAIR, ugly and pay to win features, as if anyone else just love to play as cannon fodder for them. The day a spin-off, or a TO like version of the game comes out, without all that bullshhitt, that is the day your servers will be working for the ether and you will be forced to close your doors. Maybe that day comes sooner than you think, I'm praying for it.

Do you realize that it does not matter what we say here, or anywhere in this forums, chat, complains, or in game votes. This thread is just a proform for people to spill inconsequent words. So from TO point of view us all. ------ P.S. Just hold your breath and wait for their next decision. Mark my words on this, because you will be amazed! I'm still waiting that someone clone this game, but without all this, for the sake of all of us.

Many years ago I paid to get a better Thunder and to micro update it. Then I was rewarded by three game balances were my weapon of choice, the Thunder, were dumbed down three times in a row with a few months apart. I've never paid again. Including I went away from the game for a year or so, still don't know why I have returned.

No one remember how this game was fun in the very beginning. Since then what they took from players? 1- Crystals dropping. Crystals start to be distributed unevenly at the end of the game, and in more quantity to the most cheating players giving them even more advantage. 2- All three drugs could no longer be activated at the same time (well, actually a good change, but..). 3- Balance changes that left the game uneven, cheating players and pay players can use you as cannon fodder, they get more crystals and exponentially cheat more and have more advantage on you and win even more crystals (see were it is going?). Thunder for example was dumbed down three times in a row. 4- Free players cannot create battles of any size unless pay. They only can create 5, 10 and 15 minutes battles. 5- No one can naming battles. They say people are using abusive names (didn't see any). 6- Free players cannot create any game at all. 7- A new more unfair weapons for cheaters, striker, magnum (they say that turret cannot rotate is a major drawback for this turret, but players hardly rotate turrets anyway, ricochet and Twins hardly turn them, so rotating the hole tank is a second nature. Then come also the extreme damage and the short recharge time)... As I said amazing for druggers and cheaters. 8- More stupid stuff in the game.. 9- Free battles from 15 to 10 minutes. Future: 1- Free battles 5 minutes 2- Probably at some point, you will have to submit your credit card to be able to play at all. Unless you pledge yourself as a cannon fodder, the, you can play some maps for free, for the general fun of other players, and maybe you can even kill someone.

Often you receive nothing. So I don't know what is your point here: Keep dreaming. The point is to make you stop playing without paying. You are luck they didn't reduce it to 5 minutes, but I guess it is in the horizon.

Even without drugs they win, because of massive undisclosed advantage they have in both damage and protection (thanks TO), over other players.

I'm not talking just about that. I myself, start with Wasp, then I changed to Hornet and manage to get Thunder m4. Then TO dumb "unbelievable" down for 3 times in a row, my bought Thunder m2. Even so, I went all way up to Legend 1 avoiding as much as possible using drugs (and I have many). Even so, my Hornet explodes for everything. But after some mounts not playing I'm back and surprise, magnum as come to the game, I explode in every respawn., EVERY single one..... Not only that... there it is a turret that can provide more than 2000, or more than 4000 damage points with DD from a single shot, and yet they have a ridiculous recharge time. Then I change to Viking, after all, they were considered a nice hull. I get Viking m3, and even after 18 micro updates of the Viking hull, I explode with every SINGLE shot of Magnun, Shaft, most railguns, in a blink of an eye from isida, firebird, Ricochet, Twins.... I mean, I cannot turn 180 degrees my Thunder turret before I get sucked by isida. And for the Magnuns... two or three Magnuns provide to invincibility to any team. And the most interesting part, when you are near (hull to hull) with them, and they have to point blank on you, they never get the same amount of damage as you have, that means you are dead, but they usually are not! My Thunder m4 CANNOT explode wasp even after 3 shots. But a wasp with any of that turrets can explode my Viking with single shot. But if you play team deathmatch, and find yourself and two other team mates firing at a single Hunter hull with twins and yet 1) he does not die, 2) he explodes some other team mate, and then he turns to you and your 2 team mates and shred you all, you and your 2 team mates, from full life to none and explode all of you, and he went away alive and activates repair kit.... and at some point in the game you watch cyrillic messages come to the down left part of the screen, you start wondering... And after all, how can it be explained that in team deathmatches, with 2 balanced teams, the final score is 100 : 30? The team that wins the 100 score all write in cyrillic? And I will not speak about all other TO sponsored cheating that I can saw. What can I say, when I ask why they do sponsor cheating, if I ask, TO says WE do NOT cheat. So, I'm here just to fill the assignments, after all fun has gone from this game a long time ago. My opinion is that the balance is already a cheating system on place, if not, 2 equal hulls even with 2 different turret should have an equal probability of destroying one or other depending only on how well some drive and manage to avoid other shooting, but that is simple impossible. Railgun works by intention. You want to hit another player you just fire at some point near, and you get a kill or a 99% adversary damage. Isida, can kill you before you even star turning your turret. Firebird, only has to sneeze on you, and you are dead sooner than latter, and they do not have to stay around for you to fire upon. Shaft and Magnun kill you on single shot, sometimes just after respawn. In fact magnun kill just after projectile passes over your turret and before hits land. Hammer, 3 shots in a row and you are dead. Ricochet, 3 fast shoots and you are dead. If you avoid the first 2 ricochet shoots, the third counts as a single shot that kills you as if you were hit by the previous 2. Twins, you naver can hide fast enough. You can at best hit him with one Thunder shot but twins is in advantage, and destroys you before you fire for the second time. And about Repair kits... When Repair kit is activated you have instant 1000 repair, followed by another 2000 (or so...) over the course of 2 or 3 seconds. If you have Thunder and you are fighting, isida, firebird, Freeze, and you activate repair kit, the best you get is 1000 repair points because they are hitting you with constant damage, and they interrupt the full repair action of your hull. BUT, If they activate repair kit after you fire a Thunder shot, they have instant 1000 repair points, plus all the points they get before you can fire again. That is 2.5 seconds you need to recharge before you can fire again and interrupt your adversary repair kit from fully repair his hull. I don't understand how any of this is fair. There are much more examples but, what else can I remember????

Of course they will win. After all, they have undisclosed advantage over all other players, if you know what I mean...

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Hacking is a thing that never should happen. The system should be controlled by the server, with the client, that is your browser, only providing input, that is your keystrokes, to the server, and providing feedback, that is the images and sounds you watch. The servers should create the global status based on all VALID inputs (that means one tank should not maggically appear in the roof of a building if there was no previous valid cinematics that provide such thing, has it happens in parkour), and kick the inputs that don't make sense (the hacking ones). Maybe easy to say than done, but even soo.... I don't know how this game has been developed, but for hacking take place that means the server does not validate received controls and basically everything happens in client time, with invalid hacking injection send back to the server and spread as a real deal (like flying tanks, invisible tanks where shot come from nowhere) to other players. So I realy don't understand how this game can work like this. I'm an IT engineering myself, so to me, haking is a feature allowed on purpose by TO. kudos

By the way, a better approach is to remove friends system completely. It is useless, no one can meet at exact same time online to play. And if you are going to limit the friends number, effectively removing the chance that two people is online at the same time, then keeping the system is only the stupid thing to do, that can come only from TO blindfolded heads.

Leave the friends system alone. It was not a problem in the past 5 or 6 years TO has been online, I dont understand why, suddenly it is a problem now. Instead, Return the 10 or 20 cristals drop boxes. This 1000 gold box is a scam. People stop everything to go hunt the box. The only good thing about it, is that they all gather together, so it is really the ONLY chance for one use the, otherwise completely useless, Thunder with its under 200 points damage per shot. The only thing in the past Thunder has as advantage over other turrest, that is splash damage, a feature that is now shared by every turret in the game, Magnum, Ricochet, Hammer, Firebird, Freeze without the drawbacks of Thunder. Railgun can kill 4 in a row, even when adversary is not exactly in line of fire, Firebird only need to sneeze in passant, you are doomed because your hull never cool itself. Isida rays cut through building corners, when one is manouvering to get away, it sees the beam follow even when he can no longger see the isida. And anyone, reading this, DON'T Bash, I know extremely well what I'm talking about. Kudos.

Does count as being hacked when you have Viking, and Thunder m4, play 15 minutes firing dozens and dozens of shots and hitting, and at the end of the game you come with 2 Kills and 30 deads? Meanwhile, you are killed by Railgun with single shots, by Magnum single shot, in a blink of an eye (you dont have the time to turn turret 180 degrees and shot) by isida, Ricochet and Hammer. Firebird sneaze in passant on me and the clock never stop ticking until my hull blow up. Sometimes I'm not even on line of fire, or I'm some far away... What gives the right to allow Magnun to have a SOOOOO short reloading time, for a turret that can deliver 2000+ damage points, more tham 4000 with DD? Is this an Hack or is it a TO sponsored cheating? Why does Isida restore itself sucking you, and does not destroy themselves by healing partners? Why can 2 or 3 Isidas heal each other instead of level the total amount between themselves? Why doesn't Vulcan overheat twice faster with DD activated? Why does not TO solve this problems instead of inventing problems that doesn't exist and implement worst solutions than before?