This is absolutely not true. There is a lot of indie companies and smaller ventures that make stuff for the love of gaming, producing free or low cost games with no in-game purchases. They all know that they could build a nefarious cash grab operation with loot boxes, garage/ vault focus, as well as mesmerizing effects and animations. But they don’t. They want to express their creativity, and they get their personal reward, not in cash, but in cool communities and their own little game saga. If you look into the owners and ownership history of Alternativa, you will find an interesting gallery of people. Some of the devs that started the company now have separate ventures that sell consultancy service to other game platforms for maximizing money extraction from player bases. So… Let’s just say any hope of Tanki changing for the better is a wild dream. In fact the game will continue to be at the forefront of cynicism, using old and new tricks to prey on human weaknesses. PS: If you think you are immune to these pressures, look at the people complaining about the reward drop from 15 to 3 ultras for the Ice Age event. This is not really about game progress, it is about addiction. Addiction, for example, to the bright orange animation + short lag before an exotic box opens. This is pure dopamine farming. And many people are unaware how EXTREMELY effective it is. So are you still hungry for your loot box dopamine fix? Well then now you better buy some tankoins.

Well written, @krokorok. The idea of playing 30 min every day to access all weekly and event rewards is pure fantasy to most players. Personally I dislike this kind of daily grind strongly, it takes away the joy and creates fatigue. This includes mini-games, such as the lollipop hunt with the same missions every damn day for weeks. Like… this is not my job. I will try to maximize rewards when I do play, but only within the confines of having fun, and at my own leisure. Usually this means passing on a lot of “possible rewards”. And also now I need my few tankoins for upgrading my garage!

This is not an accusation, but do we have reason to trust that this lottery is done fair and square? Sure I've seen lists of winners in the pasts, but they were just Bills and Bobs to me (and I have never been one of them).

I did agree with this reasoning before the recent updates, but no longer as they have implemented garage upgrade costs in TK, and you can expect more such costs to come. That is my whole point. With 1k TK you can max out a garage at current upgrade costs, and another thousand TK will probably take you quite a ways with future costs to come. The value of this is a lot higher than any fund could possibly be. I consider the"statistically free" argument highly relevant, and if I had 10k TK I would buy the 990 entry instantly, no matter how poor the prizes. Probably also if I had 3-4k. But with mostly <2000 TK balances, the fund is gonna be a hard pass even with it it reaches level 50, at least on any non-legend account wit a lot of stuff missing in garage.

I get the idea of this, but the fund is not a true freeroll. Only 50% of the tankoin (TK) entry fee goes towards the fund at tiers 2 (2990 TK) and 3 (19990 TK) purchases. The true payback of the fund is hard to predict since you would have to know the percentage of 1st/2nd/3rd tier entries, but I don't think it will be >80%. (factoring in the million added at intervals). And 80% is certainly not bad, but it does not cement your argument, because it presupposes that tankoin is a readily available asset to all players to speculate with. And that is not the case. The newly added TK cost for upgrading turrets and hulls should be consider as a warning. This is the first time in Tanki history that regular, in-game progress has been tied, not to crystals, but to the separate, monetized currency of TK (outside of module slots, which have been readily available in minigames etc.) I see no reason why TK pricing would not be implemented for drones, augments, grenades & other dazzling future inventions. And not to give you ideas, but why should not the much anticipated contract missions turn out to be bought with TK? In addition to being a long time player with a probably extensive economy, you are also a helper, and as such you receive TK compensation. I don't think you are in a position to advice plebs on how to spend this very limited resource.

Please describe to me in words how firebird or freeze has more complex considerations to make than this (non-exhaustive) list. Skill VS toxicity factor should be maintained as two separate discussions. I'm not a magnum main, but I have seen quite a few extremely annoying, offensive magnum players that support pushes and do forward defense. I don't consider the learning curve for mastering this turret to be among the shorter ones, at least compared too melee's. End game skills for all turrets is in any case understanding your potential for contributing toward game mode objective i.e.; situational awareness, understanding pressure waves and you role in these, team dynamics and other players individual style, garage spreads, etc etc. I would say the main problem is that 99.9% of MM games are played without team comms, which greatly reduce the importance of said understanding. Along with the fact that you have only 60 seconds and one chance to choose your gear, after looking at stats to consider hundreds of augments and other team variables. This leads many players to pursue individual incentives, and magnum certainly is not a bad option if you want to hide behind mines in a corner. But neither is shaft or scorpion. Selfish play is the true toxicity of Tanki, and I think getting rid of it is more or less impossible.

Assuming they all have the same intra-rarity drop rate, it would make sense that you see paints more often. There are a more of them. But I do remember that turret augments were the rarest things I got in shard containers in 2021 from the epic category Well this is pretty easy to backtrack on any account without bookkeeping. In a full legendary pool there is 129 paints and 80 turret augments, aka 62% paint/ 38% aug. On my lower rank accounts this number actually corresponds well with pools, and I calculated the split to be 55/45 in favor of paint drops across accounts. (This is without factoring in that turret augs are even removed from the legendary pool during tutorial, where there is quite a container rush). On my two legend account this number is way off, coming in at something like 85/15 in favor of paints. Now I guess a lot of the augments are recently added, and since I seldom play these accounts I haven't had a chance to unlock the new stuff. But the possibility of drop chances being nerfed as an account progresses can't be ruled out. However as 1 out of 210 legendary items, 100k crystals should drop 1 out of 21 000 standard containers if we assume a true, flat rng. I would say my experience makes this a near impossibility. I can't count how many of these I received like with paints and augs, but I would suggest the actual intra-category chance for 100k to be more like 10%. Or maybe I just have a good IP? I certainly did well in online poker ?

Thanks. Interesting. I would have expected container category rates not to drop as content pools were emptied, rather that category was drawn first, and then content within that remaining pool by second draw. I also struggle to make sense of 'one single true rng draw' from my own experience with standard containers. I have received at least ten 100k crystal rewards across mostly low rank accounts for the last year. As there are 200+ other items in the legendary pool, that would mean I should have gotten 2000+ legendary rewards, which I certainly haven't. Paints also seem disproportionately more common than turret augments in this category. Small, unscientific sample of course, but pretty strong gut about this.

I don't know if it's intentional but normal containers have had the nerf it received in January reverted with this patch. It can now get back-to-back rewards from rarities other than common. So expect to see more uncommons when opening containers. A nice change for people who want supplies. I don't understand what this part of patch notes even means. I thought maybe you would now unlock all hulls and turrets from your first containers during tutorial. Can you please explain what "missing equipment" is, and how you deduce what you did from this sentence with regards to rng frequency?

@Venerable Thanks. I consider your last couple posts to be honest and in good faith, even if your position is still not entirely clear to me. @Jeers4U As this thread itself suggests, I think a lot of people have a desire to play Tanki like it was a traditional FPS with equal terms. And of a Instead of a Paris-Dakkar on foot, I would suggest that the f2p experience is more like a a campaign mode game where your next mission is always to go out and face the newly released OP crap. P2w's are bosses, and the f2p is the first person hero struggling though her journey for equalization. But as you point out, if (read: when) you are so lucky to get the latest item, it will be nerfed, and a new shiny toy will appear. This is the dev playbook to avoid power creep, while keeping sadists and vengeance-seekers swiping. In the campaign game Tanki there is no end boss, your quest will never be over, and there will never be equality and justice in the kingdom.

@Venerable Bro I don't want it to seem like I'm going after you or something. But why do you even write? This is literally your text: 1st paragraph: This is not a problem 2nd paragraph: This is not a problem. 3rd paragraph: It's a problem, alright. But you cant fix it. @Jeers4U's position is clear and concise. If you disagree with him(?), you should have the courtesy to make your position the same. Or stay out of it.

No thank you, judge. I rest my case.

Not a clue. Lexical simply refers to the concrete meaning of words, as defined in dictionaries or other reference works. (Conscious) lexical abuse would be would be when someone points to one definition of a word and claim that this was how they utilized it, when in fact it was not. Since Venerable has asked me to point out bad faith in his post, let's look at this one instance. Venerable claimed that in this sentence: the word voluntarily actually ment the following : So lets look at his sentence with this definition, and see what happens: "[Helpers] receive a compensation for the work they do, out of their own free will Now that obviously doesn't make sense. No one has claimed or suspected that helpers are forced to work for Tanki. The word 'voluntary' can in fact not occur in conjunction with the word 'work', when utilized in this lexical meaning. That would be a pleonasm, because work is by definition undertaken by one's own free will. In the same way, there is nothing called 'involuntary work'. That would be a euphemism for slavery. What Venerable did here may appear innocent, but really it us underhand tactics. It makes it very hard to go after him without seeming petty and pedantic. And if you take the bait, you will be derailing from topic yourself. This kind of diversion of discussion is just one among a whole range of more sinister methods that site reps use to distract from critique or icky subjects. And as you can see, very effective at that.

You are totally disregarding that there exists an in-game economy. It is more or less impossible to play without completing missions on several levels. You have to at least look at these reward structures and see how they relate to your overall supply consumption. My suggested solution is adopt a play style that maximizes your reward per game played - certainly enough to support defender drone use over time, possibly even crisis. And while I appreciate that this solution is not for everyone, your request to sustain your supply consumption through battle reward crystals alone is just naive.

You're not wrong. But also the site representatives are not denying this. There is a constant effort by the company to balance two contrasting goals: 1: maintain/ grow current player base 2: make said base swipe their card. However, if you make several accounts, ideally a lot of them, this problem goes away. As you play multiple f2p accounts, you are most always working for some decent bonus, be that halloween/ latest event, free mini game, weekly rewards etc. I would suggest that if you no longer have an account that works towards at minimum two goals outside of daily missions: abort and create a new account, or stop playing for the day. With new accounts, I find that playing tutorial missions and up to lets say 100-200k XP is actually really chill while listening to music or a podcast. Doing this, you get the benefit of having a fakkton of containers to open for each event, from which you will get various augments, allowing you to pursuit and master different combos on different accounts. Between accounts, you will get your 1 million crystal UC, you will get your faust, you will get your pulsars. You will be guaranteed to have a maxed non-brutus drone and a decently augmented combo on every account way before major rank if purchased on sale. This setup should be more than enough to have fun and stand your ground even in unbalanced MM games, at least up until you start facing majority 9999's. Supplies is never an issue if you follow this method. If you however decide to grind one account only and one account only, working endlessly to have your garage maxed with all the latest crap like a youtube donkey, you will suffer all kinds of ailments as a f2p. Play volume, which is a prerequisite of skill, will be your enemy. This is how the company has set up their in-game economy. They could have ventured down different paths, but they have chosen brute monetization and purchase pressure. If you are not a gem hoarding corvid, but simply enjoy the mechanics of the game like me, you have the tools to turn this against them. And with the route they have chosen, I don't think there is much they can do to stop this exploit without harming themselves.

Not possible with current economy. The highest GS you can achieve as f2p is 6433 from WO4 through to 2nd Lieutenant. And you would need to have extraordinary luck with your ultra containers to do this.

Someone on this forum (not me) recently stated in a post that they had done this. Their post was edited, I assume after being reported, so you are apparently not allowed to say this. But you are welcome join the club, you will not regret your membership.

Lets see, what should I reply to in your three paragraphs, @Venerable. 1. Your (conscious) lexical abuse of a random entry in a dictionary? 2. Your anecdotal evidence, that even as that entirely misses the ball? 3. Your definition of free speech, which implies that Copernicus had this privilege, he just had to bare the consequences of pointing to the sun? I dislike many things, but most of all I dislike intellectual dishonesty and bad faith arguments. It makes me grumpy, which my writing on this forum reflects because that is really all I have seen. I don't think reading dialectics will help you with this. It is a question about character. For @Macabre, you are right off course. I could argue that I entered the conversation out of curiosity. But then I look back on my my first post on this board, which I ended with "I think I will crawl back under my rock now". As in Aesop, I knew I was taking a snake into my house.

I cant wait for your next self contradiction, so I will write it out for you: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

fyp

This sentence is a repetition of your initial post. I directly argued against this, but you do not address any of my arguments or concerns. For the rest of your indecipherable, vegetable colored word salad, I struggle to find anything of value. I'm gonna be honest: your rank is too low to group with me. Please spare 1500-2000 hours of your time and read up on dialectics before engaging with me again. (I see what you did there)

Wrong. It does and it should bother every community when their discussions are spammed by people on the payroll of the company (whether in-game or pecuniary), who do not enjoy freedom of expression. When these people are at the same time moderating the debate, something they do in part arbitrarily, in part cynically, this creates a real bad environment. I think actually the tone in here would be a lot better if it was a pure player forum (general mood on the forum has been bad af for the last couple of years). Right now, creating positive vibes or sharing positive experiences just feel wrong since it's like you are siding with your warden and prison guards.

maybe i use that word too loosely. fair enough that you know about it, i too will consider using it now that i know about it. it is a different thing however that this was the main content of at least one channel that i looked at, and that he is being promoted. i saw an 78/0 k/d game, and a lot of other broken stuff. if the healer slaves are good enough, it seams kinda foolproof. like, what is the selling point. why is this encouraged.

they go into jugger mode and immediately pause the game on entry before their tank loads. then, they engage/ exit pause at the exact moment when the juggernauts are chosen, and they become the jug. sometimes it works, sometimes not. the one guy had the decency to play out the game, the other guy just left immediately. i don't feel like outing anyone who is not in the conversation, but check out some streams and you'll see how rampant it is.