Let's Discuss Firebird!

[aayan4567 2]

3 hours ago, Ironmantonystark said:

No. To be honest, that's just a story. It just increases both regular and critical damage and reduces the energy consumption, while removing the heating effect.

Ah. Thought so. Kinda misleading . Thanks for the help

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[enri_chill 135]

With all the different adjustments to hulls, turrets, augments and OD is anyone finding more success with the Firebird? I've been encountering more in the battles lately. 

[NikmanGT 4,362]

12 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

At this point I am certain that the current state of Thunder is intentional. 

We have to wait until the Devs decide to switch the meta around. At the moment it's all about Freeze, Striker, Tesla, Isida and Vulcan. 

Thunder and Firebird are absolute trash, it looks like we are not meant to play with those right now.

I can agree about Thunder, it's no crit range and damage reduction is very unfavourable in its favour.

But on the other hand, Fire bird is very powerful in close range, with Firebird augments like incendiary mix,  high pressure pump, firebird at high modification is very fun and destructible to play with. You can obtain whole loads of score and crystals with it.

[2shots2kills 2,364]

56 minutes ago, nikunj04 said:

But on the other hand, Fire bird is very powerful in close range, with Firebird augments like incendiary mix,  high pressure pump, firebird at high modification is very fun and destructible to play with. You can obtain whole loads of score and crystals with it.

I disagree. There is no point in using Firebird when Isida Vampire and Freeze AP exist. 

Incendiary mix is a poor man's Isida and Compact Fuel tanks gets hard countered by a simple repair kit and/or Heat Immunity.

[JustBlackWolf 874]

i haven't equipped firebird protection in ages, i simply don't use it, firebird isn't a threat at the moment, i've seen plenty of people try to use it with hornet, but it's kinda garbage compared to Freeze which not only reduces your movement speed, but also disables your double damage (and with hornet you're basically a oneshot) Firebird doesn't have any sense of existing when half of the other turrets can set you on fire.

Like Thunder, FIrebird is destined to stay in the shadows, as it being one of the old tanki turrets, back then it didn't need any afterburn effect, every turret had its own role and special feature.

Edited January 13, 2022 by JustBlackWolf

[Okami 3,041]

On 12/28/2021 at 12:28 PM, JustBlackWolf said:

i haven't equipped firebird protection in ages, i simply don't use it, firebird isn't a threat at the moment, i've seen plenty of people try to use it with hornet, but it's kinda garbage compared to Freeze which not only reduces your movement speed, but also disables your double damage, Firebird doesn't have any sense of existing when half of the other turrets can set you on fire.

Very true. I used Firebird protection for a grand total of one hour in 2021 (most likely even less than that because of how decimals get removed if an item has >100 hours on it). Firebird doesn't hold a candle to Freeze (no pun intended) but I think that's the case for Burning as a whole.

Freezing has more effects than Burning. Burning requires time to actually be effective and doesn't affect how well you fight, while Freezing is brutal right as soon as it gets applied. Most Firebirds I see (there are not a lot of them btw) use Incendiary Mix because a lot of people use Heat Resistance/Immunity and everyone has Boosted Armor and a Repair Kit at the ready.

I used to be a heavy Firebird main but I flat-out stopped using Firebird after the range nerf, and have only used it for a grand total of one battle since the range was re-buffed. I got a lot of kills (I used Incendiary Mix) but I don't really have any motivation to use it when literally every melee turret is more viable.

Edited January 12, 2022 by GrayWolf8733
Double Armor -> Boosted Armor. Old habits die hard.

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Anyone had the honor to play with the new Paralysing mix augment?

I have encountered it in a few battles + watched some videos, but so far it doesn't seem particularly strong to me, especially when compared to other premium augments like stun striker or even stun tesla.

The stun is quite short in duration and occurs very sparsely to be effective.

I would love to get others opinion on this!

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

@numericable

 

About two weeks ago you posted a video claiming that Compact Fuel Tanks was the best augment for Firebird. Watching the video, not once did you actually get value from the place where CFT is better than the others or Stock/Adrenaline. 

 

CFT's strength over the other Firebirds is that it heats a target to maximum temperature immediately with one tick of damage. With Firebird's balance, that makes it oppressive at low ranks and not that effective comparatively at high ranks.

You were also using Hyperion which means you have infinite Boosted Damage uptime. Boosted Damage increases Firebird's heating rate by 50%. An Mk7+ Firebird would have a heating rate of 0.6/sec. Firebird had to be changed to burst damage because relying on afterburn when everything around you starts killing things quicker makes you weak. CFT relies heavily on the afterburn aspect of it as your energy is depleted faster and your reload is longer. All those moments where you ran out of energy and had to reload a bit and fire again, you wouldn't have had as much of a problem with Stock giving you 3 seconds of ammo and faster regeneration for more longevity. Having a 1.0 per tick ignition rate doesn't matter if it can be cleansed immediately by a repair kit. Your damage is going to be compiled up to 9 seconds after you stopped firing at them. Ample time for many things in the game to kill a hull. Then you take into account Heat augments for hulls and you're even worse off.

 

TL;dr by using CFT like Stock, you're handicapping yourself. Adrenaline is the most practical garage augment. 

[Gabe2607 215]

Firebird should be massively nerfed. It takes longer for overdrive to kick in, then for firebird to kill. That alone would be too much, but then there is the after-burn as well... 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 9/13/2023 at 9:51 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Firebird should be massively nerfed. It takes longer for overdrive to kick in, then for firebird to kill. That alone would be too much

Do you also have this problem with Freeze? In terms of raw damage output, a Freeze actually does better than Firebird in 1 v 1s in its current state.

 

Could it be that the Firebirds you're upset with are using the Pulsar augment specifically?

[Gabe2607 215]

On 9/13/2023 at 10:05 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Do you also have this problem with Freeze? In terms of raw damage output, a Freeze actually does better than Firebird in 1 v 1s in its current state.

 

Could it be that the Firebirds you're upset with are using the Pulsar augment specifically?

Nope, Freeze does not kill me that easy, no after-burn and I have same protection levels. No Pulsar. Of course Freeze will give the "slow-motion" problem, but I can back up quickly enough to get more than a fair fight with Freeze. With Firebird, there is no chance (consider that I only have Isida and Twins, which operate from the same distance). 1.5-2 seconds and I am dead, hopefully taking Firebird with me, but no chance to escape.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 9/13/2023 at 10:13 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Nope, Freeze does not kill me that easy, no after-burn and I have same protection levels. No Pulsar. Of course Freeze will give the "slow-motion" problem, but I can back up quickly enough to get more than a fair fight with Freeze. With Firebird, there is no chance (consider that I only have Isida and Twins, which operate from the same distance). 1.5-2 seconds and I am dead, hopefully taking Firebird with me, but no chance to escape.

Your profile shows 6.6k GS. That's rather low for a Legend 22. 

 

It's peculiar you have a problem with the current non-Pulsar Firebird but not Freeze. Freeze doesn't only slow you down, but temporarily disables your active Boosted Damage supply, which will lower your maximum damage against them. Strange. 

 

I hate to say it but Firebird already got massively nerfed in the last months (after being made broken). Its normal DPS at max was 1,400 (1,200 currently), its critical damage was higher, its afterburn time was longer and its reload time faster. I doubt they'll nerf it again tbh. My suggestion would be to upgrade Firebird protection in the next sale if it is really giving you as much trouble as you say. 

[Gabe2607 215]

On 9/13/2023 at 10:25 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Your profile shows 6.6k GS. That's rather low for a Legend 22. 

 

It's peculiar you have a problem with the current non-Pulsar Firebird but not Freeze. Freeze doesn't only slow you down, but temporarily disables your active Boosted Damage supply, which will lower your maximum damage against them. Strange. 

 

I hate to say it but Firebird already got massively nerfed in the last months (after being made broken). Its normal DPS at max was 1,400 (1,200 currently), its critical damage was higher, its afterburn time was longer and its reload time faster. I doubt they'll nerf it again tbh. My suggestion would be to upgrade Firebird protection in the next sale if it is really giving you as much trouble as you say. 

I am not a Buyer, so I do not have Drones, augments for payment (playing MM is for buyers, therefore no containers), fourth protection and all that stuff that boosts GS. I just play Pro Battles (in my opinion, the only ones worth to be played, even if there are no players left, almost). Quite always Flag Battles.

As said, all my protections are at the same level, about 42%. I am boosting 1% at the time with discounts, meaning it takes half a million crystals to increase all protections 1%. And reaching 50% won't change much the outcome.

If so many players use Firebird there is a reason...

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/13/2023 at 7:50 PM, Gabe2607 said:

If so many players use Firebird there is a reason...

Yeah, its a favorite turret for many players because of the simplicity it offers. Asking for people to not use it is a fools errand basically. Its like that fiasco that happened in 2021 where people were complaining that many players were using viking.

[Gabe2607 215]

On 9/13/2023 at 11:03 PM, PirateSpider said:

Yeah, its a favorite turret for many players because of the simplicity it offers. Asking for people to not use it is a fools errand basically. Its like that fiasco that happened in 2021 where people were complaining that many players were using viking.

Who asked not to use it?...

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/14/2023 at 6:55 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Who asked not to use it?...

Well you complained about how many players use firebird. So that'd imply that you would like less players to use it.

[Gabe2607 215]

On 9/15/2023 at 1:39 AM, PirateSpider said:

Well you complained about how many players use firebird. So that'd imply that you would like less players to use it.

Who complained about the number of players using firebird?...