Let's Discuss Shaft!

[Det87 18]

3 hours ago, GrayWolf8733 said:

By no means am I the best Light Capacitors Shaft user, but come on. It's not useless at all!

Try with Short-band. Doesn't nerf the damage, so you can take down vikings + hunters with 1 hit, and still better protect yourself short-range against light (weak) hulls who creep up, because your team isn't defending their own spawn.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Det87

[Det87 18]

33 minutes ago, Tidebreaker said:

Saying that K/D is a measure of skill is effectively the same thing as saying that Parkour and XP/BP duels decide how effective you are as well.

Well not in Parkour, that just doesn't make sense. All you gotta do in Parkour is to kill the one guy having mined 2 thousand mines (lifeguard + 2-4 "protectors"), and watch what unfolds subsequently.

_Obviously_ in MM if you kill more enemies, you help the objective. Not sure why you conceding that argument to begin with.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, chum but we go on the offensive, we get hit, we rise back up. Our determination is what keeps us going. We don't stop until we capture that ball, that flag, that point - we are all risk takers. It's way too easy to camp our butts off in the back of the map - in fact, the game rewards us for doing so. But we still don't do that.

Riiiight. But we kinda need to _kill_ the guys around the ball and their base...   Just driving towards them ain't gonna do much. The only way I'd find that fun if all your team had like Wasps + Shock Freezes.

Again, if you looking for a rush weapon, ain't _nothing_ better in the game than Rapid-fire Shaft. That's what I most often use, because Titan is the best hull for that as well (as for capping, you know, I keep trying, we don't give up). Then if you _only_ wanna cap, you gotta have a lighter hull, but you still need _good_ support from your teammates.

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I agree with most of this, except for Wasp and Dictator - Wasp is overall more satisfying to use with Hornet

Not sure what that means.

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and DIctator is great overall, having immense stability as well as an Overdrive that helps your team a lot.

I don't really see it with its super high profile, slower speed than Hunter & Viking, yet the same HP. If really nobody else has drugs thennn fine (Tanki is pay2win after all).

Edited February 23, 2020 by Det87

[Sacrifice 2,278]

Guys I thought I will let the warning out. Saying anything against shaft will trigger @Tidebreaker. Hence, please be careful regarding the words of your crticis as you maybe signing a death warrant without knowing about it. 

P. S Take this on a lighter note, I am only messing with Tb 

Go shaft m1 go, go shaft m1 go! 

[123tim456back 195]

16 minutes ago, Sacrifice said:

Guys I thought I will let the warning out. Saying anything against shaft will trigger @Tidebreaker. Hence, please be careful regarding the words of your crticis as you maybe signing a death warrant without knowing about it. 

P. S Take this on a lighter note, I am only messing with Tb 

Go shaft m1 go, go shaft m1 go! 

Unleash the beast.

[Potdindy 866]

If you are talking best turret in the game, shaft is certainly not it. I cery rarely see a shaft at the top of the board in legend battles.

mag, gauss, hammer? Absolutely all the time. But thats kinda how I like it...use a turret that others dont respect so they dont fear you

edit: gismo is generalissimo

Edited February 23, 2020 by Potdindy

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

On 2/22/2020 at 12:29 AM, Det87 said:

And if you played me in any of those, I'd probably be the only one charging at your spawn, because the Shaft Rapid-fire is the OP'est rush gun in the game, people just have a hard time accepting it (it's literally the only alt I mentioned anyways).   Roasts basically anyone short to mid-range, and you can always use the sniper for long range (and it roasts even with the -30%). There's not a single better all-arounder than that, and not a single one that deals damage as fast, and reloads as quickly.

Heh. You said that RFM is the best alt for Shaft. Pretty much everyone on this topic would like to kindly disagree.

The thing you fail to realize is that each alt can be just as deadly and OP if you take the time and the effort to learn how to use it. I used to abuse the hell out of RFM as well, before I realized that other alts were just as effective and maybe even better.

Doesn't seem like you WANT to learn though. That's a shame.

On 2/22/2020 at 12:47 AM, Det87 said:

Why would you use light or heavy caps lol? Mistake #1.

You really ARE a comedian.

BECAUSE MISTAKE #1 IS YOU TRASHING EITHER OF THOSE ALTERATIONS.

12 hours ago, Det87 said:

Cuz they're the most inferior Shaft alts bro. Heavy caps has one application (altho pretty good one), light caps zero.

You may be right about HCs...but not about LCs having zero applications.

If only you knew what you could do with them...

It's also a shame that you decided to walk down THIS path.

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Because you woke up the side of me that will hunt you down relentlessly and enjoy your downfall.

So don't make me do that and fix things.

* or I'll have a GREAT TIME. 

= ) 

[Det87 18]

Just now, Tidebreaker said:

Heh. You said that RFM is the best alt for Shaft. Pretty much everyone on this topic would like to kindly disagree.

You can disagree with facts, that's fine. Doesn't do much, but you can still disagree.

Just now, Tidebreaker said:

The thing you fail to realize is that each alt can be just as deadly and OP if you take the time and the effort to learn how to use it. I used to abuse the hell out of RFM as well, before I realized that other alts were just as effective and maybe even better.

Name one, please. 

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Why would you use light or heavy caps lol? Mistake #1.

You really ARE a comedian.

BECAUSE MISTAKE #1 IS YOU TRASHING EITHER OF THOSE ALTERATIONS.

Weeelll thank you?  I trash them cuz that's what they _are_.

Just now, Tidebreaker said:

You may be right about HCs...but not about LCs having zero applications.

If only you knew what you could do with them...

It's also a shame that you decided to walk down THIS path.

It doesn't have zero. It has zero better than Short-band.

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Because you woke up the side of me that will hunt you down relentlessly and enjoy your downfall.

So don't make me do that and fix things.

Or I'll have a GREAT TIME.

Not sure what that means, but great energy.  ++

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

46 minutes ago, Det87 said:

Cuz I don't just come in MM to 360 times infinity my tank, bro?

Obviously! It'll take way too long to do that with Titan!

36 minutes ago, Det87 said:

_Obviously_ in MM if you kill more enemies, you help the objective. Not sure why you conceding that argument to begin with.

Riiiight. But we kinda need to _kill_ the guys around the ball and their base...   Just driving towards them ain't gonna do much. The only way I'd find that fun if all your team had like Wasps + Shock Freezes.

You help the objective much less if we're talking CP here.

The thing with RFM is...it can't kill five people in DM straight. After all, it's only three shots, no?

LCs can, and in very quick succession. Maybe even too quick. You think that RFM is insane with Booster. Clearly you have never insta-killed someone with LCs as soon as you scope in. I'm always the one who's leading the charge with Hornet. Not trigger-happy Vikings. Me.

And all it takes for me to blow up a camper is the blink of an eye. So watch yourself out there. Put down your mines.

In the end, I'll get you. I'll kill you once in the dome, then the second time once you're respawning, and the third time as the final kill of the game with a 360º headshot.

Your RFM? Laughable. As soon as you use up all three shots, you're done for. And my 50% Eagle protection tells me that you'll sweat trying to kill me.

Besides, why am I saying all this when you'll never even see me coming? I'll gently tap you on the shoulder from behind before blasting your turret clean off.

49 minutes ago, Det87 said:

Not sure what that means.

Wasp is essentially an F1 car in terms of handling when compared to Hornet being a drift king. Wasp is the one I'd prefer normally, but I can make ends meet with Hornet.

51 minutes ago, Det87 said:

I don't really see it with its super high profile, slower speed than Hunter & Viking, yet the same HP. If really nobody else has drugs thennn fine (Tanki is pay2win after all).

It's much better for camping than Titan, and yet you're not willing to acknowledge it. Plus, why not actually help your teammates with its Overdrive.

21 minutes ago, Det87 said:

Name one, please. 

Let's have a little fun, shall we? I'll do you a favor and count up to three.

1. LCs

2. HCs

3. SBE

22 minutes ago, Det87 said:

Weeelll thank you?  I trash them cuz that's what they _are_.

That'll be until I take pleasure in destroying you over, and over, and OVER!

Then you'll start to call hacks, like anyone would do. But nobody will come to your help in the end.

36 minutes ago, Det87 said:

It doesn't have zero. It has zero better than Short-band.

What?

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 hours ago, Det87 said:

My dear bro... there couldn't be a smaller difference between Hunter and Viking. 

I still don't know what Gismo means. 

Yes. I'd definitely have a lower KD if it weren't for supplies. Probably still about the best, but, you know, lower.

Uhh.. well actually it kind of brought it _down_, since I've mostly used it in Parkour, which is what I almost exclusively play nowadays (Assault's the one that kept it above >4.0 when drones came in). Also, you only get 3 seconds use at a time, but uh... yes during MM it still give me slightly better KD. 

- no difference between Hunter & Viking?  Have you ever used them?  me thinks not with your comment.

- Willful ignorance is a beautiful thing, right?  Look at your rank.  Maybe you can figure it out.  Maybe.

- It would be significantly lower.

- Not just the booster - All of your buying.  Makes a huge difference in your results when you have much better equipment than your peers.  You keep bragging about how good you are, but used the crutch of buying better equipment than the tankers you play against.  KD is a silly stat - but it's actually false where you are concerned.  You basically bought it.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

6 hours ago, Det87 said:

1) I don't, as long as they not my teammates.

1) if they're your teammates and you don't like it, you can always leave, or deal with it. This is called "reality" not communism.

6 hours ago, Det87 said:

2) My dear bro... there couldn't be a smaller difference between Hunter and Viking. 

3) I still don't know what Gismo means. 

 

 

2) the weight difference between the two might not look like much, but it shows itself in battle. That's just ONE example.

3) What are you, 5? Practically everyone who plays this game knows what a gismo is. It's short for generalissmo (your rank). There's some education from me to you.

6 hours ago, Det87 said:

4) Ya it can. Even after nerfing, it's the best turret in the game. Basically my argument.

5) Why argue when you're wrong?

6) Cuz I don't just come in MM to 360 times infinity my tank, bro?

4) we'll see about that.

5) wrong about what? Please do tell.

6) neither do I. But that doesn't answer my question.

[Det87 18]

57 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) if they're your teammates and you don't like it, you can always leave, or deal with it.

Right. You're conceding the point Shaft's better to begin with? 

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This is called "reality" not communism.

I've no idea how that analogy applies.

By the way, big  for Bernie Sanders. Leading with 46% votes with 60% votes counted in Nevada. Biden 2nd at 20%. He's got this now.   The "communism" just reminded me. 

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2) My dear bro... there couldn't be a smaller difference between Hunter and Viking.

2) the weight difference between the two might not look like much, but it shows itself in battle. That's just ONE example.

That was probably the most redundant point in your post. There's slight difference in steering and jumping off a cliff (some seem to love that). Apart from that and OD it's pretty much the _only_ difference.

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3) What are you, 5?

I'd love to be. Imagine my potential, if I had this much knowledge and intellect at the age of 5.

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Practically everyone who plays this game knows what a gismo is. It's short for generalissmo (your rank). There's some education from me to you.

Thank you. Dumb term, never gonna use it, but thanks. 

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4) Ya it can. Even after nerfing, it's the best turret in the game. Basically my argument.

4) we'll see about that.

Only now noticed, like why are you numbering my stuff? We can see the content when you quote it, why the numbers?

And again, oddly redundant answer, like wdym we'll "see"? Where will we "see"? Is there gonna be a national competition next week? Are we gonna fare up in MM anytime soon? ....What? 

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5) wrong about what? Please do tell.

..See my 10+ posts bro?

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6) Cuz I don't just come in MM to 360 times infinity my tank, bro?

6) neither do I. But that doesn't answer my question.

Because it's basically just as useless?

Edited February 23, 2020 by Det87

[Det87 18]

4 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

- no difference between Hunter & Viking?  Have you ever used them?  me thinks not with your comment.

You don't need to "think", you can just look at my stats, bro :D: https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Det87

Very public.

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- Willful ignorance is a beautiful thing, right?  Look at your rank.  Maybe you can figure it out.  Maybe.

Uhhh... sure? 

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- It would be significantly lower.

..doubt it. Like if I'm up against ppl in normal MM's, can't even use dropped supplies, then sure. I'd still win probably, but it'd be super hard.

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- Not just the booster - All of your buying.  Makes a huge difference in your results when you have much better equipment than your peers.  You keep bragging about how good you are, but used the crutch of buying better equipment than the tankers you play against.  KD is a silly stat - but it's actually false where you are concerned.  You basically bought it.

How do u explain my KD back when I fared up against M4's with M2 10/10 Major then?   No OD, no drone.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Det87

[Det87 18]

6 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

You help the objective much less if we're talking CP here.

CP? CP's where you'd help the most at. Just need to move in and sit there with your Titan (like _designed_ for that), and shoot with the best turret in the game (Shaft).

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The thing with RFM is...it can't kill five people in DM straight. After all, it's only three shots, no?

LCs can, and in very quick succession. Maybe even too quick. You think that RFM is insane with Booster. Clearly you have never insta-killed someone with LCs as soon as you scope in. I'm always the one who's leading the charge with Hornet. Not trigger-happy Vikings. Me.

And all it takes for me to blow up a camper is the blink of an eye. So watch yourself out there. Put down your mines.

In the end, I'll get you. I'll kill you once in the dome, then the second time once you're respawning, and the third time as the final kill of the game with a 360º headshot.

Your RFM? Laughable. As soon as you use up all three shots, you're done for. And my 50% Eagle protection tells me that you'll sweat trying to kill me.

Besides, why am I saying all this when you'll never even see me coming? I'll gently tap you on the shoulder from behind before blasting your turret clean off.

Well, I already explained it, bro, that's the part you even liked, you _dont'_ use up the 3 shots and have nothing to go for, the enemy heals, and u done for.

If you have like a Hornet & move around, sniping ppl with Ligh caps, well, that's an interesting strategy, but you'd still totally lose against _my_ 50% Shaft protection & 3k+ dmg w/ Booster (even against double armor & 50% prot) if it comes to that. Like what you gonna do? Snipe me once, I turn and start charging, you snipe a 2nd time, I heal, use Booster, u start running away, u die... only thing that would save you is lifeguard, in which case you'd be no dmg-wise trouble at all, or OD, in which case I just need to wait for you to aim elsewhere, because now everybody can see you.

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[Dictator]'s much better for camping than Titan, and yet you're not willing to acknowledge it.

I don't see a single case where it's better for camping with its lower HP and head sticking out, so everybody can see and shoot it.

 

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Plus, why not actually help your teammates with its Overdrive.

Dome helps too.  ..long as they realize to get under it. Problem often is ofc that their turrets are super short-range, so they end up eating dmg nonetheless without being able to do much about it (that is, after the dome nerf, so they don't regain HP).

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The thing you fail to realize is that each alt can be just as deadly and OP if you take the time and the effort to learn how to use it. I used to abuse the hell out of RFM as well, before I realized that other alts were just as effective and maybe even better.

Name one, please. 

Let's have a little fun, shall we? I'll do you a favor and count up to three.

1. LCs

2. HCs

3. SBE

Oh you meant like "the" other alts? Only Shaft alts?

Well yea, my list'd be pretty much in reverse.

 

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That'll be until I take pleasure in destroying you over, and over, and OVER!

Then you'll start to call hacks, like anyone would do. But nobody will come to your help in the end.

I'd love to be the giving part for once.

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It doesn't have zero. It has zero better than Short-band.

What?

As in: Light cap's snipe is an application. Short-band's snipe is a better application.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Det87

[TheCongoSpider 8,962]

This clearly isn't going anywhere. 

[SporkZilla 1,775]

46 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

This clearly isn't going anywhere. 

It's entertaining though. Such flex.

I started out with Shaft and got bored with it, but interested in the mobile sniping thing with Hornet + LC if I ever move away from Smoky. Have to wait a while because of the update though.

Hell will freeze over before I camp with Shaft on a heavy hull.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

What are you, 5? Practically everyone who plays this game knows what a gismo is. It's short for generalissmo (your rank). There's some education from me to you.

I get the impression you are not far off.  Posts like he/she is 7 or 8 years old.  The toot-your-own horn type that can't differentiate between reality and fantasy.

[Potdindy 866]

While we are talking about alts, I think I'd rank them as follows:

1: Light Caps--I play this even with titan/mammoth now. Allows me to stay out of scope mode and be observant of the battle field. With wasp/ hornet, getting those quick shots off is amazing.

2: RFM--I get good scores with this, but it turns shaft into smoky, requiring it to get closer to the action, and take damage. I have it at 2 because attacking will on average help the team more than camping with bigger alts or stock.

3: Short Band--Idk how this is functionally different than stock. Yes it can 1 shot some hulls etc, but in the end, idk if it plays out differently

4. Mult

5. Heavy Caps--Dont play this....sitting in scope mode essentially means you arent helping your team, and the extra damage will tend to be wasted if you use DD

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

4 hours ago, Det87 said:

1) Right. You're conceding the point Shaft's better to begin with? 

2) That was probably the most redundant point in your post. There's slight difference in steering and jumping off a cliff (some seem to love that). Apart from that and OD it's pretty much the _only_ difference.

3) I'd love to be. Imagine my potential, if I had this much knowledge and intellect at the age of 5.

4) Thank you. Dumb term, never gonna use it, but thanks. 

5) Only now noticed, like why are you numbering my stuff? We can see the content when you quote it, why the numbers?

6) And again, oddly redundant answer, like wdym we'll "see"? Where will we "see"? Is there gonna be a national competition next week? Are we gonna fare up in MM anytime soon? ....What? 

7) ..See my 10+ posts bro?

8. Because it's basically just as useless?

1) then tell me what makes shaft so Damn good.

2) the only thing redundant is you making provocative posts that basically wants everyone to use titan shaft for what ever reason.

3) we have yet to see you with intelligence enough to not start making provocative claims. But your ego and arrogance is impressive for a 5 year old, I'll give you that.

4) well have fun typing the whole word when you have to do it 20+ times in a post then.

5) because it helps me, helps you, and helps everyone else know what the heck I'm talking about when I'm addressing more than one point. If you don't like it, then TS, just deal with it.

6) again the only thing redundant is your unhelpful comments.

7) reading your ill thought out posts would be nice, IF I wanted to lose brain cells.

8. if my question is "useless" then your arguments are the pinnacle of uselessness.

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by DieselPlatinum

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

 

1) then tell me what makes shaft so Damn good.

2) the only thing redundant is you making provocative posts that basically wants everyone to use titan shaft for what ever reason.

3) we have yet to see you with intelligence enough to not start making provocative claims. But your ego and arrogance is impressive for a 5 year old, I'll give you that.

4) well have fun typing the whole word when you have to do it 20+ times in a post then.

5) because it helps me, helps you, and helps everyone else know what the heck I'm talking about when I'm addressing more than one point. If you don't like it, then TS, just deal with it.

6) again the only thing redundant is your unhelpful comments.

7) reading your ill thought out posts would be nice, IF I wanted to lose brain cells.

8. if my question is "useless" then your arguments are the pinnacle of uselessness.

 

Don't waste your time - the person just won't get it.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Mr.Nibbles
Please refrain from using possibly derogatory terms.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, wolverine848 said:

Don't waste your time - the person just won't get it.

Yeah. He probably wouldn't even listen to his parents if his life really depended on it. Having so much ego is a dangerous thing.

[Det87 18]

11 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Yeah. He probably wouldn't even listen to his parents if his life really depended on it.

Cuz moved out of home long time ago.

Btw, they'd also agree Shaft Rapid-fire is better.

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Having so much ego is a dangerous thing.

Well it is and it isn't. If you wanna achieve things much higher than the general population you gotta think that's it's possible. If you think you're better, you're more likely to train harder, because it's gives you purpose and fullfillment. If you don't think so, then why bother? And most people like that, they kind of stop.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Det87

[Det87 18]

16 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

I get the impression you are not far off.  Posts like he/she is 7 or 8 years old.

Again, wish I was. Imagine my potential if I was this smart already at 7 or 8. 

When you grow older bro you'll notice that ain't really a good diss. It works for people your age, possibly, not really at anyone much older.

16 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

The toot-your-own horn type that can't differentiate between reality and fantasy.

That was a fantasssssss...tic(!) battle. 

[Det87 18]

15 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) then tell me what makes shaft so Damn good.

2) the only thing redundant...

3) we have yet to see you with intelligence enough ...

4) well have fun typing the whole word when you have to do it 20+ times ...

5) because it helps me, helps you, and helps everyone else know what the heck I'm talking about ...

6) again the only thing redundant is your ...

7) reading your ill thought out posts would be nice, IF I wanted to lose brain cells.

8. if my question is "useless" then your arguments are the pinnacle of ...

Bro, if you play for fun, do that. Don't get so super upset when I play for KD as well and point out the inferiority of other comboes.

Doesn't come out good.

[r_Given6 859]

1 hour ago, Det87 said:

inferiority of other comboes

Inferiority of other combos in your opinion. If you can't play skillfully using equipment that people do wonders with, then that's neither your nor their fault. We all play for fun, doesn't matter if one takes the difficult route (such as LCs) or the easy one to get satisfaction. 

This has been my experience since 2014, in a variety of rank ranges and on different accounts. Many times I was like "meh, that guy on my team is a complete noob for using Dictator + Twins M3 in Noise CTF". And then that guy would come first, being the person who played a major part in our team's victory by capping several flags.

I don't intend to offend you, just my opinion that one can't judge the superiority/inferiority of combos, but only that of skill. And no one's denying your skill at all.

[Potdindy 866]

Alright lets get off this conversation and have the hornet vs wasp convesation instead.

I do think hornet has the best OD in the game, that being said, I am beginning to think that with shaft, the two hulls are very even, and here are my reasons:

Hornet's OD works best when facing a lot of protection...shaft typically doesnt face a lot, especially at lower ranks.

Hornet's OD works best when you can deal tons of damage quickly, like with Fire up close or gauss...Shaft might get some easy 1shot kills but its oveall damage is a lot lower over time than other turrets. Vulcan for example, does way more damage to a clump of tanks under a dome, than shaft.

I like wasp's handling better. It is smaller, and moves better. Others may disagree.

Wasp's bomb is kinda noob but can be useful in battles where enemies are clustered.

Feel free to disagree. Facing a hornet shaft with its OD active is scary, so I'm acknowledging that both are solid