Let's Discuss Shaft!

[wolverine848 13,097]

14 minutes ago, Det87 said:

Do you :D. Maybe you stopped reading before the part about one of its only purposes of praying on Hornets. Could've smiled about that too.

And Hornet is a lot faster than Viking. And Wasp is even faster.... if speed got you kills, yea, I'd bet it really definitely mattered.

And as also mentioned, the speed of Viking is completely negated by its wide profile. It's also super slow to turn, so where you thinking of running with it? And which turrent you planning on using with that peek-a-boo tactic? Cuz you can't really "dodge" a shaft round.

So best you can do with it against Shaft+Titans is to run away, and if that's it, then I guess you might as well use the better hull then. Cuz bro, mid range hulls = trade-off. They're a _compromise_. They can't outrun a Hornet, and they can't outlast a Titan. I mean use them all you like, what do I care? Brings me more kills as usual.

And then somehow you still conclude that Titan+Shaft is better for kills. And then the hypothetical CTF scenario that ends 0-0 ends up ending 0-3.

By the way, that'd be the easiest battle ever with 50% protection, and rail, mag, striker, gauss, you name it if Shaft is out. Hornet would bypass the OD domes, and another Titan dome would protect the flag guy. Like I said, I win about half of my mult team matches, and that includes my #1 mode CTF. You literally couldn't do that with _any_ _other_ hull or turret when you need fast kills, quick recharge, and lots of HP, cuz there's nowhere to run anyways (it's not like your team's got your back). Wasn't that long ago I killed 8 guys solo while returning with the flag (dunno how many I got twice).

That doesn't follow at all lol. Why is TDM #3 in my mode rankings, if that's the only one I should play? And if you played me in any of those, I'd probably be the only one charging at your spawn, because the Shaft Rapid-fire is the OP'est rush gun in the game, people just have a hard time accepting it (it's literally the only alt I mentioned anyways).   Roasts basically anyone short to mid-range, and you can always use the sniper for long range (and it roasts even with the -30%). There's not a single better all-arounder than that, and not a single one that deals damage as fast, and reloads as quickly.

In conclusion: Shaft+Titan for kills & caps. 

Read the post again.

You seem confused about most of it.

[Det87 18]

1 hour ago, Potdindy said:

Welp I can explain some of this.

First, you are Shaft Titan...of course shaft titans get good k/ds....they also rarely play the objective. Most that I see find a corner to hide in and are basically ignored by the enemy. I enjoy shaft/heavy but I do with LCs and hang around the base defending...that will rarely lead to good k/ds as you are facing the teeth of the enemy.

Why would you use light or heavy caps lol? Mistake #1.

1 hour ago, Potdindy said:

Second, you are a gismo

Is that a compliment?   It's not a word at least.

1 hour ago, Potdindy said:

350,000 supplies used, inclusing 40k batts almost Nothing wrong with that at all, but it will explain why you get good k/d.

I love that you tallied that up :D.

Yeah it helps. Guess what also helps? Shaft+Titan.

1 hour ago, Potdindy said:

Shaft as a hide and snipe turret can get good k/d, but I love it as a...well more mobile sniper. I'd rather contribute more to my team that getting a good k/d, which I do sometimes as well. If my team is mostly being noob, I will just play TDM. I play it will wasp a lot, not because its the best...its not, but it always feels good to dominate with the weakest hull in the game

Can't think of a better weapon to use even for a Wasp bro. If you wanna just _play around_ then sure, use a weaker turret.

[Det87 18]

2 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Read the post again.

You seem confused about most of it.

That's because you didn't read mine (as explained).

Edited February 21, 2020 by Det87

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 minute ago, Det87 said:

That's because you didn't read mine (as explained).

You seem to think KD is important.  You went downhill from there to trash every hull except your favourite.

 

Another funny part was that "Hunter relies on OD".  HELLO!  Every hull in this game now relies on OD.

Thanks for prompting me to read it again.  Your post is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Potdindy 866]

Ok guys lets just get this out of the way: I am big noob, ok?

Not related to conversation, just figured youd want to know

Edited February 21, 2020 by Potdindy

[Benefactor 6,889]

13 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

Ok guys lets just get this out of the way: I am big noob, ok?

Not related to conversation, just figured youd want to know

Hold my beer....

[Det87 18]

On 2/21/2020 at 5:54 PM, wolverine848 said:

You seem to think KD is important.  You went downhill from there to trash every hull except your favourite.

It's my favorite, because it's better than all the others, bro.   Literally must be the only game in which all of a sudden you _don't_ care about KD. Well  hulls not gonna give you a good one, so might as well not even try lol.

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Another funny part was that "Hunter relies on OD".  HELLO!  Every hull in this game now relies on OD.

If your every equipment relies on charging special powers, that just means you cant play, bro. 

Not sure why would you even use OD tho. Just gives you a higher KD.

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Thanks for prompting me to read it again.  Your post is the gift that keeps on giving.

That's for sure.   Wwish you'd come up with a phrase of your own ofc, but that's super hard these days.

Practice harder, cheers.

Btw. Looking at ur stats, I can understand your reaction. Smoky+Hunter is a pretty bad combo, bro. In fact, u barely own a shaft, so I dunno why u a part of this conversation. 

Edited February 22, 2020 by Det87

[999_noob 10]

Shaft is forgotten turrent in my case. because it's very boring turrent to use to snipe and wait lol 

[wolverine848 13,097]

52 minutes ago, Det87 said:

It's my favorite, because it's better than all the others, bro.   Literally must be the only game in which all of a sudden you _don't_ care about KD. Well  hulls not gonna give you a good one, so might as well not even try lol.

If your every equipment relies on charging special powers, that just means you cant play, bro. 

Not sure why would you even use OD tho. Just gives you a higher KD.

That's for sure.   Wwish you'd come up with a phrase of your own ofc, but that's super hard these days.

Practice harder, cheers.

Btw. Looking at ur stats, I can understand your reaction. Smoky+Hunter is a pretty bad combo, bro. In fact, u barely own a shaft, so I dunno why u a part of this conversation. 

You're assuming I use that combo all the time in MM.  Or maybe... you looked at my profile while equipped for Pro-Battles.

Can't play without OD?  See above.  But in MM that's the standard.  If you say u don't use OD in MM you are lying out of your face.

I don't all of a sudden not care about KD.  I've never cared.  It means nothing.  You gain nothing in the game from it.  But keep on hiding in the corner picking off the odd tank if that floats your boat?

Edited February 22, 2020 by wolverine848

[Det87 18]

3 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

You're assuming I use that combo all the time in MM.  Or maybe... you looked at my profile while equipped for Pro-Battles.

Well Smoky+Viking is your most used so... dunno what u arguing for lol.

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Cant's play without OD?  See above.  But in MM that's the standard.  If you say u don't use OD in MM you are lying out of your face.

No one said I don't use it, I said I don't rely on it.   What's the problem reading what I tell you bro.

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I don't all of a sudden not care about KD.  I've never cared.  It means nothing.  You gain nothing in the game from it.  But keep on hiding in the corner picking off the odd tank if that floats your boat?

Ok.   Soon as you played a few matches, or few months after? Well my set's good (the best), so I always cared.

Edited February 22, 2020 by Det87

[TheCongoSpider 8,970]

On 2/21/2020 at 11:47 AM, Det87 said:

Why would you use light or heavy caps lol? Mistake #1.

Any why is this a mistake? 

[Det87 18]

Just now, TheCongoSpider said:

Any why is this a mistake? 

Cuz they're the most inferior Shaft alts bro. Heavy caps has one application (altho pretty good one), light caps zero.

[TheCongoSpider 8,970]

3 minutes ago, Det87 said:

Cuz they're the most inferior Shaft alts bro. Heavy caps has one application (altho pretty good one), light caps zero.

I see you're a guy who likes to play optimally. But why must you look down on players who don't play what you play? 

[Det87 18]

Just now, TheCongoSpider said:

I see you're a guy who likes to play optimally. But why must you look down on players who don't play what you play? 

You perfectly so can. You just kind of invalidate your complaints when I point the inferiorities out.

[TheCongoSpider 8,970]

4 minutes ago, Det87 said:

You perfectly so can. You just kind of invalidate your complaints when I point the inferiorities out.

I can camp with Shaft, or I can follow attackers on my team and help them. The latter requires me to go to the enemy base, and confront enemies head-on. I will suffer many deaths because I use a light hull for this. But I am still effective, and it is more fun that way for me. All of Shaft's alterations can be used to great effect in their own way. RFM has its drawbacks, so do LC, HC and SBE. But if I use any of those more than the other, I don't look down on others who don't. 

 

Also why do you value your K/D so much? Does it give you special privileges? 

[Det87 18]

2 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I can camp with Shaft, or I can follow attackers on my team and help them. The latter requires me to go to the enemy base, and confront enemies head-on. I will suffer many deaths because I use a light hull for this. But I am still effective, and it is more fun that way for me. All of Shaft's alterations can be used to great effect in their own way. RFM has its drawbacks, so do LC, HC and SBE. But if I use any of those more than the other, I don't look down on others who don't. 

 

Also why do you value your K/D so much? Does it give you special privileges? 

No, it gives me special satisfaction.

[TheCongoSpider 8,970]

2 minutes ago, Det87 said:

No, it gives me special satisfaction.

Then try not to look down on others who don't get or look for special satisfaction from their K/D. Yeah, it feels nice when my K/D is above 1, and not nice when it is below 1, but if I am genuinely having fun with the combo I am playing, I disregard the latter feeling. You have a Shaft playstyle that gets you a high K/D? Fine. But it isn't the only way to play Shaft. Playing optimally isn't the only way to play in Tanki. K/D is not everything in Tanki. 

 

People enjoy hulls and alterations that you don't and you seem to have a problem with that. 

[Potdindy 866]

So tonight I played 13 battles with Shaft/Wasp and LC's and 11 with Titan and Mammoth. Gotta say, Im really starting to move towards wasp as the one I do better with, than hornet. Hornet's OD is really good, but I lot of times I'm getting those same kills with Wasp anyway, and the bomb lets me "punish" players who stop the game objective to chase me.  

Also, I'm 100% on with light caps over RFM...I enjoy rfm but it requires me to get up close and I die a lot, whereas lcs lets me keep enemies at a distance.

[wolverine848 13,097]

5 hours ago, Det87 said:

Well Smoky+Viking is your most used so... dunno what u arguing for lol.

First you said Smoky+Hunter.  Now you say smoky+Viking.  Which is it?  Make up your mind.

 

And do you say you don't rely on OD.  Sure.   But you DO RELY on supplies right?  Your Gismo account has used 4x the amount of supplies my Legend 5 account has used.

Now how does it go...?  Oh yeah... "If your every equipment relies on gulping down supplies, that just means you cant play, bro."  Did I do that right?

And... you're a BUYER... 217 hrs with Booster Drone. LOL.  Bet that didn't prop up your KD... AT ALL.  Right?

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

On 2/21/2020 at 3:39 AM, Det87 said:

Rapid-fire,

Well here's the most likely why you have such a high KD. This alteration is just broken. Can dominate short range combat as well as perform well in long range skirmishes.

 

Also why you gotta be so provocative with every comment you post? Why's it a problem for people to use what ever they want?

[Okami 3,041]

7 hours ago, Det87 said:

Heavy caps has one application (altho pretty good one), light caps zero.

 

By no means am I the best Light Capacitors Shaft user, but come on. It's not useless at all!

[Det87 18]

10 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Then try not to look down on others who don't get or look for special satisfaction from their K/D. Yeah, it feels nice when my K/D is above 1, and not nice when it is below 1, but if I am genuinely having fun with the combo I am playing, I disregard the latter feeling. You have a Shaft playstyle that gets you a high K/D? Fine. But it isn't the only way to play Shaft. Playing optimally isn't the only way to play in Tanki. K/D is not everything in Tanki. 

 

People enjoy hulls and alterations that you don't and you seem to have a problem with that. 

I don't, as long as they not my teammates.

[Det87 18]

6 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

First you said Smoky+Hunter.  Now you say smoky+Viking.  Which is it?  Make up your mind.

My dear bro... there couldn't be a smaller difference between Hunter and Viking. 

6 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

And do you say you don't rely on OD.  Sure.   But you DO RELY on supplies right?  Your Gismo account [...]

I still don't know what Gismo means. 

6 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Now how does it go...?  Oh yeah... "If your every equipment relies on gulping down supplies, that just means you cant play, bro."  Did I do that right?

Yes. I'd definitely have a lower KD if it weren't for supplies. Probably still about the best, but, you know, lower.

6 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

And... you're a BUYER... 217 hrs with Booster Drone. LOL.  Bet that didn't prop up your KD... AT ALL.  Right?

Uhh.. well actually it kind of brought it _down_, since I've mostly used it in Parkour, which is what I almost exclusively play nowadays (Assault's the one that kept it above >4.0 when drones came in). Also, you only get 3 seconds use at a time, but uh... yes during MM it still give me slightly better KD. 

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

On 2/21/2020 at 8:39 PM, Det87 said:

You weird people come up with your analyses and terms like LC, RFM and SBE Shaft, yet I bet in actual use (like, playing cuz it's a game) none of you gets close to the kd I do. Even after playing Parkour almost exclusively for prob over a year, I'm still at >3.0.

Saying that K/D is a measure of skill is effectively the same thing as saying that Parkour and XP/BP duels decide how effective you are as well. Sorry to burst your bubble, chum, but we go on the offensive, we get hit, we rise back up. Our determination is what keeps us going. We don't stop until we capture that ball, that flag, that point - we are all risk takers. It's way too easy to camp our butts off in the back of the map - in fact, the game rewards us for doing so. But we still don't do that.

On 2/21/2020 at 8:39 PM, Det87 said:

And seriously, Mammoth and Viking?   Mammoth is _the_ dumbest hull for MM _almost_ in every single possible scenario. Maybe Dictator tops it, but Mammoth is slower to move than Titan, slower to turn than Titan, and gets the same HP as Titan (talking about M4 cuz it's all that matters - Mk8 is a stupid term). And Viking, don't even _talk_ to me about Viking.  The most over-used and overcompensating hull in the game. All it's got going for itself is the sacrifices in HP so it's weaker than Titan, and the sacrifices speed, so it's slower than Hornet. (I didn't include Wasp there, because Wasp is basically a joke too. Best you can use it for is Shock Freeze and OD.) So that makes Viking. Maybe sort of fast enough to prey on the weaker Hornets & Wasps, and _possibly_ to outrun Titans (altho its so fat it gets stuck everywhere, and the people (kids) who use it almost exclusively hold "w" until they die). Every time I face a Viking, almost exclusively even without the protection, they're toast. Shoot 2 times with Rapid-fire, wait until the 2nd shot reloads, shoot again, and again, until they heal, and fire the 1-2 reserve shots. Toast. Toast is what I'm telling you.

I will admit, though, you do earn my respect here. Viking is way too widely used if you ask me, and it isn't even that good as well as not really contributing to the actual team effort. 

On 2/21/2020 at 8:39 PM, Det87 said:

So to sum up: Mammoth = slow (garbage), Viking = a compromise of better hulls (garbage), Dictator = LOL!, Hornet = super hard to make work, basically hangs by its OD, Wasp = same thing, just even more unstable & noticeable.

Titan = best, Hunter = you could make a case. Relies on OD but a pretty good one.

I agree with most of this, except for Wasp and Dictator - Wasp is overall more satisfying to use with Hornet and DIctator is great overall, having immense stability as well as an Overdrive that helps your team a lot.

[Det87 18]

4 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Well here's the most likely why you have such a high KD. This alteration is just broken. Can dominate short range combat as well as perform well in long range skirmishes.

Ya it can. Even after nerfing, it's the best turret in the game. Basically my argument.

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Also why you gotta be so provocative with every comment you post?

Why argue when you're wrong?

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Why's it a problem for people to use what ever they want?

Cuz I don't just come in MM to 360 times infinity my tank, bro?

Edited February 23, 2020 by Det87