Let's Discuss Freeze!

[gokuMI6 1,290]

But why does Freeze have so much damage?! Since it can literally prevent tanks from escaping or fighting back, why does it also have so much more damage than Firebird, which can't do either, and almost same damage as Isida (actually slightly higher at M0 and M1) which can't do either AND can't multi-hit? 

OK

1.Freeze modules reduce the freezing effect pretty much 

2.Fires After burn is > than Freezing effect

  with fire you do 85% DMG then let the Afterburn do the job , but with freeze you need to make 100% dmg to grab the kill

3.Isida can heal 

[wolverine848 13,097]

OK

1.Freeze modules reduce the freezing effect pretty much 

2.Fires After burn is > than Freezing effect

  with fire you do 85% DMG then let the Afterburn do the job , but with freeze you need to make 100% dmg to grab the kill

3.Isida can heal 

1) People keep posting this and I keep replying by saying my M3 17/20 Viking with freeze module 46% still gets frozen when caught from behind or on the flank.  Which is how you are supposed to use freeze.  it is not Twins.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

1) People keep posting this and I keep replying by saying my M3 17/20 Viking with freeze module 46% still gets frozen when caught from behind or on the flank.  Which is how you are supposed to use freeze.  it is not Twins.

Barely, people who use protection paints can easily follow me when I circle around them. It's not effective.

[gokuMI6 1,290]

1) People keep posting this and I keep replying by saying my M3 17/20 Viking with freeze module 46% still gets frozen when caught from behind or on the flank.  Which is how you are supposed to use freeze.  it is not Twins.

Yes that is how it is supposed to be used 

but after the buff have you seen guys use it right way

I think the old Twins guys all bought Freeze and use it just like they used twins they come right up front , but now they kill us even if they are using the wrong techique

[thesquarerootof2 165]

If you attack them from behind with Freeze, it doesn't matter if they do 9,999,999,999,999,999 DPS, they cannot touch you. 

 

THAT is why Freeze should do the least damage of all close-range weapons. 

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Freeze SHOULD lose to Firebird and Isida in head-to-head combat because it can also do something they can't do: backstab and take no/very little damage in return. 

[Benefactor 6,888]

If you attack them from behind with Freeze, it doesn't matter if they do 9,999,999,999,999,999 DPS, they cannot touch you. 

 

THAT is why Freeze should do the least damage of all close-range weapons. 

If the effect was buffed instead of damage, yeah.

[thesquarerootof2 165]

If the effect was buffed instead of damage, yeah.

Well I already see M0 and M1 Freezes doing this. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by thesquarerootof2

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Well I already see M0 and M1 Freezes doing this. 

M0&M1 , things change after m2 , all guys have good aim no one will stand still for  you to shoot   &kill

Edited July 19, 2018 by gokuMI6

[thesquarerootof2 165]

M0&M1 , things change after m2 , all guys have good aim no one will stand still for  you to shoot   &kill

Doesn't matter how good your aim is, you won't have a choice but to stand still if they get you from the back

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Doesn't matter how good your aim is, you won't have a choice but to stand still if they get you from the back

Yes

But how many do you face using it like this

all they do is come from front pop a DD kill us

jut like a Twins user

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Yes

But how many do you face using it like this

all they do is come from front pop a DD kill us

jut like a Twins user

Yes. That is the problem. Freeze should not be able to do this and expect to win. 

[Ma_Boi 22]

Am I the only one who thinks freeze is balanced?

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Am I the only one who thinks freeze is balanced?

The problem with freeze was that the freezing effect wasn't strong enough at higher modifications, now that doesn't even matter because you die before you get frozen. It beats firebird in every way and now with the new juggernaut mode, it's impossible to survive for any decent time because you just get frozen to death.

[Ma_Boi 22]

The problem with freeze was that the freezing effect wasn't strong enough at higher modifications, now that doesn't even matter because you die before you get frozen. It beats firebird in every way and now with the new juggernaut mode, it's impossible to survive for any decent time because you just get frozen to death.

That doesn't happen for me and I have M2

[Ricosck 19]

Isida is too strong. Freeze is much stronger than isida, much too strong.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I'm calling this the noob turret now :ph34r:

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I have to admit tis over-buff of Freeze is having a substantial negative impact on game enjoyment.  Every game is fighting off waves of freeze rushes one after the other. See it almost every game now.  It is the same issue with magnum. It makes every game pay the same it makes one turret matter more than any other and it make playing this game B O R I  N G.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I have to admit tis over-buff of Freeze is having a substantial negative impact on game enjoyment.  Every game is fighting off waves of freeze rushes one after the other. See it almost every game now.  It is the same issue with magnum. It makes every game pay the same it makes one turret matter more than any other and it make playing this game B O R I  N G.

Bettcha sales of Freeze (and Freeze Modules) are going through the roof.

[gokuMI6 1,290]

I'm calling this the noob turret now :ph34r:

Lol

Ofc

 

It has become twins little brother  :lol:

[stalagmite 12]

I didn't think that freeze needed a buff.  It's clearly OP now.  I can live with that though!

[gokuMI6 1,290]

I didn't think that freeze needed a buff.  It's clearly OP now.  I can live with that though!

:o

Who said anything about more buff ?

if that happens all you see will be freeze everywhere

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Freeze never needed a buff. Probably a bunch of Freeze users were using it wrong, and when they failed they complained about it being underpowered. 

[PowerForward 20]

I have to admit tis over-buff of Freeze is having a substantial negative impact on game enjoyment.  Every game is fighting off waves of freeze rushes one after the other. See it almost every game now.  It is the same issue with magnum. It makes every game pay the same it makes one turret matter more than any other and it make playing this game B O R I  N G.

True, damage is too high, but freezing effect is rly too small. Titan+rico manages to make 270* turning, when i get him behind and still get 3-4 shots to me. That ain't normal, damage probably needs to be nerfed, but freezing effect buffed. 

 

The problem with freeze was that the freezing effect wasn't strong enough at higher modifications, now that doesn't even matter because you die before you get frozen. It beats firebird in every way and now with the new juggernaut mode, it's impossible to survive for any decent time because you just get frozen to death.

Agree. I see a lot freezes including me in juggernauth. It is fun to chase down people, who chase juggernaut

Doesn't matter how good your aim is, you won't have a choice but to stand still if they get you from the back

It changes in higher ranks. 

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Freeze never needed a buff. Probably a bunch of Freeze users were using it wrong, and when they failed they complained about it being underpowered. 

O don't get it worng the buff was not cause of anyone complaining the dev's did it