Let's Discuss Freeze!

[LittleWillie 3,199]

With Matchmaking the number of games I was forced (intentionally chosen word: forced) to leave due to crappy teams or mobs of the OP turret Magnum dropped by an order of magnitude.  MM forced players to go to randme maps so teh Magnum users could no long just hang out at their killer maps all day. TO was made a dramtically better and more fun game.

 

Then comes along Freeze. This slightly under-powered turret was given a ludicrous Over-buff to its damage.  Now every dam game is about nothing but avoiding the _____ing G__ D___ ____ing Freezes.

 

What the ____ does it toake to be stupid enugh to make that ridiculous over-buff?  TO is now a far poorer and less fun game.  Again Russian Dev team: Grats. You remain the champions of international ineptitude.

Edited July 30, 2018 by LittleWillie

[gokuMI6 1,290]

 

Question: Do you agree Freeze was a weak turret before the buff ?

[caiosilvac 567]

Good job developers

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Question: Do you agree Freeze was a weak turret before the buff ?

 

I did agree that it did need a buff, but a 30% buff is too much. They should have buffed it slightly like they did with thunder (even though I think that thunder didn't really need a buff)

[Strikechard123 241]

Many patches have passed already and not a single response about this unbeatable turret. I think that you shouldn't die in 2 seconds against a freeze using titan

[Hancho 3,902]

Freeze is fine, nothing is wrong with the turret. 

[Strikechard123 241]

Freeze is fine, nothing is wrong with the turret. 

Isn't it wrong that it has almost no counterplay?

[Amagi 1,728]

Isn't it wrong that it has almost no counterplay?

....don't go near it?

[Pyre 3,485]

Lets Discuss Freeze/Lets Discuss Game Balance.

 

It will stay OP for a while I expect. I dont find it TOO OP except for juggy mode.

[Hancho 3,902]

Isn't it wrong that it has almost no counterplay?

I believe freeze is balanced with other turrets now. 

 

 

 

• Thunder can 1 shot a player from a quite good distance
• Firebird is able to kill a player within 1-2 seconds I'd say
• Magnum...Everyone knows the answer
• Railgun is able to 1 shot a player from far and close distance
• Isida is able to kill a player within 1-3 seconds
• Twins within 2-3 seconds
• Ricochet within 1-3 seconds
• Smoky is able to 1 shot a player with critical damage
• Shaft is able to kill with 1 shot from far & close distance

   

So all these turrets above are capable of killing a player in 1 shot or few seconds, why leave freeze out? It is perfectly balanced now. 

Edited July 29, 2018 by Hancho

[perl 7]

Overall, Freeze buffed or not, it's still the team with the smart Isidas that will prevail.

[jaydevjaydev 343]

I believe freeze is balanced with other turrets now. 

 

 

 

• Thunder can 1 shot a player from a quite good distance
• Firebird is able to kill a player within 1-2 seconds I'd say
• Magnum...Everyone knows the answer
• Railgun is able to 1 shot a player from far and close distance
• Isida is able to kill a player within 1-3 seconds
• Twins within 2-3 seconds
• Ricochet within 1-3 seconds
• Smoky is able to 1 shot a player with critical damage
• Shaft is able to kill with 1 shot from far & close distance

   

So all these turrets above are capable of killing a player in 1 shot or few seconds, why leave freeze out? It is perfectly balanced now. 

are you telling the stats if you equip a double damage when the enemy does not have double armour equipped ?? :ph34r:

[Delta_Rail 142]

I believe freeze is balanced with other turrets now. 

 

 

 

• Thunder can 1 shot a player from a quite good distance
• Firebird is able to kill a player within 1-2 seconds I'd say
• Magnum...Everyone knows the answer
• Railgun is able to 1 shot a player from far and close distance
• Isida is able to kill a player within 1-3 seconds
• Twins within 2-3 seconds
• Ricochet within 1-3 seconds
• Smoky is able to 1 shot a player with critical damage
• Shaft is able to kill with 1 shot from far & close distance

   

So all these turrets above are capable of killing a player in 1 shot or few seconds, why leave freeze out? It is perfectly balanced now. 

What you just said WOULD be true if all of them had DD equipped, but hes talking about how freeze can actually kill titan within approximately 3 seconds without any supplies or Micro upgrades, aside from that, freeze also has good range and freeze shouldnt be able to do over100dps than every other short range weapon

[Hancho 3,902]

are you telling the stats if you equip a double damage when the enemy does not have double armour equipped ?? :ph34r:

:ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r: I was yes. 

 

What you just said WOULD be true if all of them had DD equipped, but hes talking about how freeze can actually kill titan within approximately 3 seconds without any supplies or Micro upgrades, aside from that, freeze also has good range and freeze shouldnt be able to do over100dps than every other short range weapon

Oh alright. That makes sense though. It might be a different situation at low ranks - Since I play in a different rank league and as a freeze user myself I have to face M3/M4 titans and they are hard to destroy with or without DD/DA. 

[jaydevjaydev 343]

What you just said WOULD be true if all of them had DD equipped, but hes talking about how freeze can actually kill titan within approximately 3 seconds without any supplies or Micro upgrades, aside from that, freeze also has good range and freeze shouldnt be able to do over100dps than every other short range weapon

 

 

:ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r: I was yes. 

 

Oh alright. That makes sense though. It might be a different situation at low ranks - Since I play in a different rank league and as a freeze user myself I have to face M3/M4 titans and they are hard to destroy with or without DD/DA. 

The problem is that firebird damages the enemy , enemy kills it and then the enemy may or may not die due to afterburn depending on health left

In case of isida it is just damage ,nothing special.  SO it should have good DPS

But freeze is OP why? Not only it does a lot of damage + its freeze effect is too strong . While firebird's advantage is mostly after it dies but Freeze effect works simultaneously with the high dps making it OP  

[Chronicle 164]

Why enhance freeze, to buff it back down? I'd leave freeze out of the equation. 

[BlackEliteEnemy2 250]

The problem is that firebird damages the enemy , enemy kills it and then the enemy may or may not die due to afterburn depending on health left

In case of isida it is just damage ,nothing special.  SO it should have good DPS

But freeze is OP why? Not only it does a lot of damage + its freeze effect is too strong . While firebird's advantage is mostly after it dies but Freeze effect works simultaneously with the high dps making it OP

 

Firebird is after u die AND while u r alive. Freeze is only while alive. Isida is support gun anyway.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Never. You expect TO to admit the stepped in the giant cow pie?  That's not how they roll.  [Cough] Magnum.

I believe freeze is balanced with other turrets now. 

 

 

 

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• Smoky is able to 1 shot a player with critical damage
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So all these turrets above are capable of killing a player in 1 shot or few seconds, why leave freeze out? It is perfectly balanced now. 

 

Edited July 30, 2018 by Ninja
Refrain from using inappropriate language.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Question: Do you agree Freeze was a weak turret before the buff ?

Read my post.

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Freeze deals ridiculous damage (much higher than Firebird) AND prevents/hinders you from fighting back. THAT is why it is OP. 

Edited July 30, 2018 by thesquarerootof2

[Chronicle 164]

Freeze deals ridiculous damage (much higher than Firebird) AND prevents/hinders you from fighting back. THAT is why it is OP. 

Equip the "Corrosive Mix" alteration which gives you the acid / burning effect, and it's pretty much the new firebird. 

[Delta_Rail 142]

Never. You expect TO to admit the stepped in the giant cow pie?  That's not how they roll.  [Cough] Magnum.

 

Hey, you might get banned for being right, so be careful

[Delta_Rail 142]

:ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r: I was yes. 

 

Oh alright. That makes sense though. It might be a different situation at low ranks - Since I play in a different rank league and as a freeze user myself I have to face M3/M4 titans and they are hard to destroy with or without DD/DA. 

I have a Brig account and all I see is fully MUed refrigerator kits drugging nitros just to kill a simple m2 across a map, its pretty annoying when a bunch of drugging m4 freezes end up killing you in just a second due to a normal garage 

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Don't hold your breath.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Freeze deals ridiculous damage (much higher than Firebird) AND prevents/hinders you from fighting back. THAT is why it is OP. 

I just posted this exact same  point in the "Game Balance" thread.  Being rendered unable to fight back is the #1 things online games will not stand for.  Beat me, OK, but I get to fight also.

 

This is why Magnum is hated. You can't fight back,m but for a different reason.  In both cases you cannot fight back and it is paired with powerful damage. SMH. In what fantasy world does this work?

 

Hey, you might get banned for being right, so be careful

That is why I used the  tried and true British euphemism. It is no different than using "darn" instead of 'damn' or "frigging" .... well you get it.