Let's Discuss Hunter!

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/9/2024 at 3:56 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

What makes you come to that conclusion?

...He saw a lucky F2P with legendary/exotic augment. The amount of times F2Ps get called "ultra buyers" just because they got helios or something is insane. 

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/9/2024 at 7:26 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

What makes you come to that conclusion?

Free players abandoned Tanki years ago, as per all game reviews. Current players are either small buyers or heavy buyers. Some are claiming to have become free players, after having bought most of the stuff in the past. Some are claiming to be free players because "five bucks a month is nothing".

- Free players would obviously play Pro Battles, while the huge majority plays MM.

- Free players have a deserted garage, while the vast majority has all the latest equipment.

- Free players would not contribute in Tanki Funds, while the number of participants is always huge.

- Free players would complain in the Forum about how the game is Pay-to-Participate (way past P2P), as they did in the past. Now discussions are all about equipment and competitions that Free Players have no idea of. 

Even when you guys nicely try to help, much appreciated, your point of view is not coming from a Free Player's angle.

 

On 1/9/2024 at 7:31 PM, Kimura said:

...He saw a lucky F2P with legendary/exotic augment. The amount of times F2Ps get called "ultra buyers" just because they got helios or something is insane. 

Whoever called you ultra buyer was a small buyer... F2Ps do not recognize different augments and do not know what helios is...

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/9/2024 at 4:15 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Free players abandoned Tanki years ago, as per all game reviews. Current players are either small buyers or heavy buyers. Some are claiming to have become free players, after having bought most of the stuff in the past. Some are claiming to be free players because "five bucks a month is nothing".

Games I play people that spend 50$+ a month are not even considered a buyer. 5$ a month is nothing in this game. I mean them 400 tankoins ain't getting you far let me tell you that lol.

On 1/9/2024 at 4:15 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Free players would obviously play Pro Battles, while the huge majority plays MM.

Well I know real life friends WHO ARE LITERALLY F2P and they play MM and MM only. Guess they're secret buyers!!! The game is designed to make you play matchmaking. It has nothing to do with F2P or P2P.

On 1/9/2024 at 4:15 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Free players have a deserted garage, while the vast majority has all the latest equipment.

Picking Legend 500 with Premium and saying everyone has garage like him/her doesn't count buddy. You know what? I just came up with this. I'll go into Tanki chat and pick 3 random Legend ranks I saw in chat and check their profiles.

Spoiler

1.

Legend 7, three Mk7 items rest are Mk 3-4s. Most used drones are Brutus, Trickster and Saboteur.

2.

Legend 7 (what are the chances lol), three Mk7 turrets (noticing a pattern) rest are Mk3-2s. Most used drones are Brutus, Booster rest are 0 hours.

3.

Legend 27 all turrets/hulls are Mk7 except Mk2 mammoth, hammer and Mk3 isida. Most used drones are Hyperions, Brutus, Crisis. 

3 Random players picked from chat and you could argue 3rd one is potentially a buyer. Rest are clearly F2P and new players (looking at their K/D)

Their garages are pretty "deserted" so I guess 66% of Tanki players are F2P.

On 1/9/2024 at 4:15 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Free players would not contribute in Tanki Funds, while the number of participants is always huge.

Except you can almost always see people telling to save for Tanki fund and old players telling new ones to save their coins for Tanki Fund. 

 

On 1/9/2024 at 4:15 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Free players would complain in the Forum about how the game is Pay-to-Participate (way past P2P), as they did in the past. Now discussions are all about equipment and competitions that Free Players have no idea of. 

Or they're just casual players who don't spend and don't interact with the community that much. LITERALLY EVERY community ever has these people. Also... Real life is Pay To Win.

 

On 1/9/2024 at 4:24 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Whoever called you ultra buyer was a small buyer... F2Ps do not recognize different augments and do not know what helios is...

I got Lifeguard and Miner augment from mission and free challenge tier containers. Even though I am a small buyer these conts were 100% Free. Now what's stopping Joe The Free To Play from getting the same luck? Or even way worse one like a legendary augment? (so unlucky I know)

Edited January 9, 2024 by Kimura

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 1/9/2024 at 8:18 AM, Gabe2607 said:

- minigames such as Snow Trap require all sort of hulls and turrets that I do not have

 

Having 1 or 2 main combinations and doing your dailies should be enough to get to the first island.

 

On 1/9/2024 at 8:18 AM, Gabe2607 said:

- paying tankoins to participate in mysterious events (probably other MM battles full of buyers) that do not guarantee the fourth protection, does not seem to make sense, taking in consideration the major difficulties in putting together the 5000 required (about 10 years for a Free Player...).

 

This is a fair point. It depends on the event, but in most cases shelling out under 1000 TKs is better than having to save 5000.

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/9/2024 at 4:54 PM, Kimura said:

Games I play people that spend 50$+ a month are not even considered a buyer. 5$ a month is nothing in this game. I mean them 400 tankoins ain't getting you far let me tell you that lol.

Well I know real life friends WHO ARE LITERALLY F2P and they play MM and MM only. Guess they're secret buyers!!! The game is designed to make you play matchmaking. It has nothing to do with F2P or P2P.

Picking Legend 500 with Premium and saying everyone has garage like him/her doesn't count buddy. You know what? I just came up with this. I'll go into Tanki chat and pick 3 random Legend ranks I saw in chat and check their profiles.

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1.

Legend 7, three Mk7 items rest are Mk 3-4s. Most used drones are Brutus, Trickster and Saboteur.

2.

Legend 7 (what are the chances lol), three Mk7 turrets (noticing a pattern) rest are Mk3-2s. Most used drones are Brutus, Booster rest are 0 hours.

3.

Legend 27 all turrets/hulls are Mk7 except Mk2 mammoth, hammer and Mk3 isida. Most used drones are Hyperions, Brutus, Crisis. 

3 Random players picked from chat and you could argue 3rd one is potentially a buyer. Rest are clearly F2P and new players (looking at their K/D)

Their garages are pretty "deserted" so I guess 66% of Tanki players are F2P.

Except you can almost always see people telling to save for Tanki fund and old players telling new ones to save their coins for Tanki Fund. 

 

Or they're just casual players who don't spend and don't interact with the community that much. LITERALLY EVERY community ever has these people. Also... Real life is Pay To Win.

 

I got Lifeguard and Miner augment from mission and free challenge tier containers. Even though I am a small buyer these conts were 100% Free. Now what's stopping Joe The Free To Play from getting the same luck? Or even way worse one like a legendary augment? (so unlucky I know)

I appreciate the honesty in saying you are a small buyer. If $50+ a month is not considered a buyer, I am guessing you spend more, but I am not interested in the amount. It just confirms what I already know: most players in Tanki Online spend money. 

What's stopping Joe... these are discussions already explained many times through another guy you were siding with... once again: Joe (or me) have a limited amount of containers from which to get equipment. In the last couple of festivity missions, I got about 100 containers, from which I got 2 augments, none to be applied to the turrets/hulls I own. I have no augment on my isida and I invested 250,000 crystals (minus 30% discount I guess) for my only twins augment. A buyer, who already has most equipment, will keep buying  containers or tankoins to get the latest overpowerful equipment.  

Random players: most players are Russian, so selecting 3 ENG speakers is not a correct way to judge.  A small buyer might just go for a Pass, or get the 4 protection modules.  I am Legend 30 and I have less turrets/hulls/drones then the 3 guys you visited. Many Buyers do not have good K/D: buying equipment, especially if fast, will make sure that skills are not learnt. That is another point I always make: most players are buyers and unable to play.

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 1/9/2024 at 8:08 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Many Buyers do not have good K/D: buying equipment, especially if fast, will make sure that skills are not learnt. That is another point I always make: most players are buyers and unable to play.

Shouldnt this, in theory, be self-balancing?

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:31 AM, Me0w_XP said:

Having 1 or 2 main combinations and doing your dailies should be enough to get to the first island.

 

This is a fair point. It depends on the event, but in most cases shelling out under 1000 TKs is better than having to save 5000.

Snow Trap Missions:

-  destroy 100 tanks using light hulls: I do not have them

- destroy 100 tanks using heavy hulls: I do not have them

- destroy 100 tanks using medium range turrets: I do not have the turrets they mention. Twins is not mentioned anywhere.

- destroy 100 tanks using long range turrets. I do not have them

Tankoins: having saved about 2,800 in more than 3 years, I am reluctant to invest 1000 in something I do not know. And not knowing those events/contests I cannot say you are right or wrong. 

 

On 1/10/2024 at 12:44 AM, frederik123456 said:

Shouldnt this, in theory, be self-balancing?

Not at all.

In MM battles, I end up shooting with my twins a buyer many times and he never dies. Then he turns around very slowly, shoots me once and I am dead. Even if I manage to kill one, I will die a second later from another buyer. If I get isida, I will never get close enough to someone to try to kill. And none needs to be healed because they all use repair kits. And if you heal the Juggernaut, you will get almost no points.

In Pro Battles, with drones and supplies OFF, and augments either ON or OFF, I am always Top of the Table. And in these battles where skills matter, one can clearly see how most players do not have the basics of the game (not turning turrets, not hearing the sound of flags, camping while losing, not reading the radar, not seeing anything sidewise or behind, etc.).

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 1/9/2024 at 8:34 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Not at all.

In MM battles, I end up shooting with my twins a buyer many times and he never dies. Then he turns around very slowly, shoots me once and I am dead. Even if I manage to kill one, I will die a second later from another buyer.

I agree, a buyer generally has a big edge over a casual f2p. 

But dont you contradict yourself a bit now, in relation to the reply I originally quoted you on?

[DefkwargX 152]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:38 AM, Gabe2607 said:

I am Legend 30 and I have less turrets/hulls/drones then the 3 guys you visited

 Make your account public so that we can investigate a bit. I stand by my claim that unless someone made his account recently, ranting about having a bad garage in 2024 is either due to a mismanagement of your in-game resources or due to the fact that you don't play often.

Edited January 9, 2024 by NikmanGT

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 1/9/2024 at 2:19 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Tankoins: having saved about 2,800 in more than 3 years, I am reluctant to invest 1000 in something I do not know. And not knowing those events/contests I cannot say you are right or wrong. 

 

That is understandable. Usually when an event/minigame is announced, there are details in the announcements that tell you what rewards you can get and how. Hopefully that is enough to help you make a judgement.

On 1/9/2024 at 2:19 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Snow Trap Missions:

 

I understand what you are saying. What I meant is that by using one hull and two turrets, I completed 2 of those missions. That combined with dailies was enough to reach the first island. BTW, Twins is considered short range (along with Rico, Hammer), not medium. Medium is Smoky, Thunder, Vulcan, and Striker.

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/9/2024 at 9:08 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Many Buyers do not have good K/D: buying equipment, especially if fast, will make sure that skills are not learnt. That is another point I always make: most players are buyers and unable to play.

Ok so buyers are braindead 0 skill NPCs that die a lot so they don't have good K/D.

 

On 1/9/2024 at 9:19 PM, Gabe2607 said:

In MM battles, I end up shooting with my twins a buyer many times and he never dies.

Oh so buyers don't die now. Mhm... Interesting.

 

Fresh buyers don't have skill and it is very noticable for me. Though like I said at this point you'd have to do a lot to make sure it's not just a lucky f2p. So the trash buyers might as well be just lucky F2P players who didn't play enough games to get very good. As for me being a "small buyer" I don't spend anywhere close to 50$+ a month lol I rarely buy tankoin pass and that's it. I mean "small buyer" in tanki players eyes and not anyone who plays another game eyes. My fault ig.

 

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/9/2024 at 9:49 PM, frederik123456 said:

I agree, a buyer generally has a big edge over a casual f2p. 

But dont you contradict yourself a bit now, in relation to the reply I originally quoted you on?

Not sure which contradiction you are pointing out... 

On 1/9/2024 at 9:57 PM, DefkwargX said:

 Make your account public so that we can investigate a bit. I stand by my claim that unless someone made his account recently, ranting about having a bad garage in 2024 is either due to a mismanagement of your in-game resources or due to the fact that you don't play often.

... Crisis and Armadillo after 100 hours of game (and 178 Gold Boxes)... What would you know about "free playing"? LOL

On 1/10/2024 at 1:59 AM, Me0w_XP said:

BTW, Twins is considered short range (along with Rico, Hammer), not medium. Medium is Smoky, Thunder, Vulcan, and Striker.

Thanks

On 1/10/2024 at 3:51 PM, Kimura said:

Ok so buyers are braindead 0 skill NPCs that die a lot so they don't have good K/D.

 

Oh so buyers don't die now. Mhm... Interesting.

I said "many" buyers do not have good K/D, not "all" buyers.

Buyers (in MM battles) do not die from me (free player), but MM battles are mostly played by other buyers. 

Edited January 17, 2024 by Gabe2607
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[DefkwargX 152]

On 1/18/2024 at 12:00 AM, Gabe2607 said:

Crisis and Armadillo

So, you thought that these 2 items are a big deal? Lmao, nearly everyone has them nowadays. What counts is their respective upgrade levels, especially arma.

 

 

On 1/18/2024 at 12:00 AM, Gabe2607 said:

after 100 hours of game

With the token of apology, u could have got them after 10 or even less hours of gameplay.

 

 

On 1/18/2024 at 12:00 AM, Gabe2607 said:

What would you know about "free playing"? LOL

Probably more than you do, since I'm more active than you are and most probably have a better garage than you (if it wasn't the case, you wouldn't be complaining)

Just make your acc public instead of hiding it and making hollow claims.

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/19/2024 at 10:57 AM, DefkwargX said:

So, you thought that these 2 items are a big deal? Lmao, nearly everyone has them nowadays. What counts is their respective upgrade levels, especially arma.

 

 

With the token of apology, u could have got them after 10 or even less hours of gameplay.

 

 

Probably more than you do, since I'm more active than you are and most probably have a better garage than you (if it wasn't the case, you wouldn't be complaining)

Just make your acc public instead of hiding it and making hollow claims.

"My garage is bigger than yours"... How old you did you say you are? 

Buyers always get aggressive when confronted...

[DefkwargX 152]

On 1/27/2024 at 3:31 AM, Gabe2607 said:

"My garage is bigger than yours"

Didn't say "bigger", i said "better".

 

On 1/27/2024 at 3:31 AM, Gabe2607 said:

How old you did you say you are? 

Didn't say it until now; am 18.

 

On 1/27/2024 at 3:31 AM, Gabe2607 said:

Buyers always get aggressive when confronted...

I'm a non-buyer, wdym? I just know how to spend my time, crystals and tankoins wisely, unlike some.

 

Day 3 of asking you to make your account public so that we can understand why you're complaining.

Edited January 28, 2024 by DefkwargX

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/28/2024 at 9:39 AM, DefkwargX said:

Didn't say "bigger", i said "better".

 

Didn't say it until now; am 18.

 

I'm a non-buyer, wdym? I just know how to spend my time, crystals and tankoins wisely, unlike some.

 

Day 3 of asking you to make your account public so that we can understand why you're complaining.

I am not complaining. I am stating facts. You are young (my child is much older than you) and you brag about your "better" garage, as most youngsters do. Fact is that you are a buyer like most and either ashamed to admit it or thinking that few bucks here and there is not really buying. There is no reason to make my account public: I have two turrets, two hulls, one cheap drone and 3 protection slots, after playing several years. This is how the garage of a rare-to-find free player looks like. And if you think I am a bad player, ask someone doing Pro Battles.   

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 1/30/2024 at 7:23 PM, Gabe2607 said:

Fact is that you are a buyer like most and either ashamed to admit it or thinking that few bucks here and there is not really buying. 

Would I be a buyer in your eyes? 

Edited January 30, 2024 by TheCongoSpider

[Gabe2607 215]

On 1/30/2024 at 6:43 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Would I be a buyer in your eyes? 

As a Legend 69 I guess you are playing since a very long time, meaning you have been filling most of your garage when everything was x10 times cheaper in terms of crystals. Beside that, you are one of those big-brain Wiki guys knowing all events and stuff. Maybe you even got a freebie here and there ...   But yes, I bet you did spend few bucks in the game from time to time. You obviously love this game and no free player can love this game.