Reduce power of garage supplies

[JROCKS 46]

I agree that the game was way more fun back in 2012... I dont think drugs should be nerfed or changed a ton, but they do need some tweaking. Thats as far as ill go to the complaining side. This game has gone down the hole these past couple years due to many factors, not just drugs. I liked it a lot better when there was specific battles where druggers were, and few. ALSO.... I think people drug more now because of smart cooldowns. Back when we could use all 3 drugs at the same time, i would rip through my daily gift in a flash. Now, with the cooldowns, it takes 3 times as long to use all 3 drugs, so i end up gaining more than i use, which makes me use them more. Idk if that makes sense to anyone, but thats how i tend to see it. Everybody has way more drugs now with the cooldowns and its harder to use them all up.

[JROCKS 46]

Tanki has just announced that servers will be reduced. Another proof that Tanki is loosing rapidly customers. Is it going to respond in order to cut loses or this is a free fall? :mellow:

Where did they announce this?

[RustyNail 1,538]

Where did they announce this?

A window when entering the game. This evening.

[racer22_online 206]

With the smaller numbers of players! -  I found more server 'hopping' was needed to find a decent battle.  Hence, reducing the number of servers concentrates 'the few' that remain.  I suspect the way we're going we will see more of this - and I imagine Tanki is well prepared for this as part of the move to Unity.

[racer22_online 206]

I'm going to try and shorten my messages :0)

By splitting into more posts :0(

 

 

I think it's clear that, despite our major efforts, Tanki Management are completely and utterly 'unwilling' to do anything to help us.

 

I think the 'poll' (if we ever managed to do one) - will be largely futile as I'm sure Tanki already knows the results but their head is stuck in the sand.

 

This is the predicted outcome of any poll - based on the understanding that only 10% of tankers are buyers (= mostly Druggers.)

1.         90% of Tankers would like to see a reduced drug mode (effectively preventing the 'abuse' by some tankers (druggers), who use more garage drugs than they earn in crystals).

 

2.         5% of tankers (druggers) believe that the imbalance in many games is caused because many tankers are refusing to drug.  (Despite the fact they know 90% of tankers do not have enough drugs for 100% drugging!)

            Hence, it would help if 'full time druggers' could spend more time fighting 'full time druggers' - and then they will realise full time drugging by all still does not work (as we found on 'unlimited drugs day' - you only get a BIGGER imbalance between the 'best players' and 'weak'.  Ideally Tanki would use the new 'stats' to prevent mixing of the 'strong' and the 'weak'!)

 

3.         3% (could be higher) of tankers 'plant' 'Mult' tanks on the losing side (these are alternate accounts) to help them gain access to the winning side - this also weakens the losing side (see the number of perpetual zero scoring tanks!)

            This is a 'despicable act' and Tanki have done nothing to prevent it.

(Note if you see this, then you can do the same in reverse (still slightly despicable) - i.e. plant alt accounts on the 'drugging side' to weaken them and you need a reminder to 'move' the tank every 3 mins!)

(See the 'Kick2' proposal thread by AbsoluteZero for an antidote to this) - Tanki should do this ASAP.

 

 

As we know the StarSeries 'eSPORT' does not allow the use of garage drugs = we have proof that Tanki does accept that over use of garage drugs ruins the 'sport' (= no entertainment if tanks are being one shot killed = boredom).

Over use of 'garage drugs' is a bit like watching a tennis game where every player 99% scores an Ace on service.

 

So what can we do without the support of Tanki?

1.         Learn to use Tanki in ways that avoid most of the druggers (mostly by using DM mode and for CTF, choosing maps and battles carefully).

2.         Seeing if we can collect lots of 'friends' who are 'Sportsman' players.

Next post will kick off item 2.  (Item 1. has been covered many times before, but I will repeat my version if you ask).

[racer22_online 206]

What can we do without the help of Tanki?

This is a Petition / 'friends list' to help identify all the 'Sportsmen' tankers (includes all sportswomen).

 

Please add your Tanki name and rank to this petition page (in this thread) declaring we are all 'Sportsman' players.

(We should all friend each 'Sportsman' (close to our rank)).

 

I.e. just copy and paste the previous post in it's entirety with all the 'Sportsman' names on and add your Tanki name and rank and post.

Let's get at least 1000 names on this! plus plus plus...  Tell every sportsman tanker you know!

 

If you can find 'Sportsmen' in battles we can 'crowd out' the druggies or start Pro Mode matches if you can afford it?

Try to wear Red paint for the first 5 mins each day (Red paint is the only way I can think of to immediately show 'on screen' you're a 'sportsman').  (5 mins is not a lot to ask).

 

(Red paint is also a 'show of protest' to Tanki that they've done nothing to help us.  Imagine seeing lots of YouTubes with 'Red paint' tanks 'lurking' in them :0)!)

 

These are the 'Sportsman principals' in order of importance:

1.         Makes a serious attempt at not using more garage drugs (in value) than has been earned in the battle - preferably no garage drugs (see exceptions below.)

2.         Do not use garage drugs while in the 'leading team', this also saves 'using up' garage drugs and helps the losing side catch up (sporting chance.)

3.         Try not to use garage drugs while the scores are level (worst case, you may use a few if druggers need to be 'hit', (but avoid eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth etc.)

4.         Never uses a garage health pack - except during gold drop times, or when holding the enemy flag in your home base (i.e. someone worked hard to get that flag without drugs!)

5.         Preferably not use garage health packs when collecting flags in the enemy base (these packs are best saved for gold box hunting).

6.         If you see an attacker use a garage health pack while collecting the flag then killing them with DD is acceptable (unless their side is outnumbered by yours.)

7.         Do not indulge in 'spawn killing' - unless the enemy tank is a danger to you or you're on the losing side (even then use discretion to avoid retribution).

8.         When on the 'leading side' do not indulge in persecution of the weak (i.e. try NOT to wipe out the opposition, try to give them a sporting chance even if it means you lose a few crystals.)

9.         Mines are considered acceptable - but do not over do it (Max, roughly 3 per 15 minutes).

10.       Use 'Red paint' for the first 5 minutes of each day or when joining a map (this is a way of displaying your 'sportsman' intentions).

 

Petition signed by:

Ranks below Warrant Officer1:

 

 

Ranks Warrant Officer2 to Major:

 

 

 

Ranks Lieutenant Colonel to General:

racer22_online (Colonel),  

 

 

 

Ranks Marshal and above:

 

 

 

 

 

End of petition.

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Fewer servers because the daily number of players has dropped in HALF since October when they started making all the insane and awful changes to the game play. It used to be 120,000 or more - now it is about 60,000 per day. They claim it "drops" during certain times - but no other game drops this quickly. One would think MORE people would play now since school is out for the summer.

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Pop quiz: spot the cheater.

 

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Tanki has just announced that servers will be reduced. Another proof that Tanki is loosing rapidly customers. Is it going to respond in order to cut loses or this is a free fall? :mellow:

THIS IS something that was the first thing to cross my mind when I read that.

 

Tanki is not only losing customers, the remaining ones are unhappy or very satisfied given their desires.

 

I find more and more Rio, Polygon, Hill, Noise, and Waves than anything else when I hit a server.  Still good amount of Monte Carlo, but even "that" challenging environment is begininning to be too much forthe Druggers.  If it's big and requires thought, it's not etting played.  I created berlin and berlin lately and nothing, not a single bite.  Dusseldorf, rarely, lost temple, same deal, massacre, not that often.  Highways still gets some play, but it's largely unrealistic anyways.  Anything resemling a real map is pretty much poo poo'd by the base at large.  Large maps, same thing, they have to travel, thus they can be picked off or they have to drug up early and then they worry they won't last the fight in for the flag and back.  Most games now are in your face small maps.  Hell, even the MIGHTY Serpuhov is starting to wane and lose it's touch, with only core group of egular players, and less instances of it on most servers.

 

I agree that the reduction of servers is not a good sign.  Couple that with the fact that maps are largely being ignored except for smaller drug run maps, and yeah, the pattern is starting to take hold.

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Large maps create nothing but fatal errors. That's why they are rarely played. The programmers STILL cannot figure out how to solve the problem other than to say "Don't play those maps."

[Quarks 2,255]

While I think that drugs should stay, I have a story that will show you the problems with it.

 

Earlier today, I joined a nice Iran CTF. My team was winning, was it early, yes, but that is a good sign. My team has a good strong team. The other has a drugged up buyer. This person, it was ac225 or whatever was a captain with m2 hunter, hammer, and a lot of paints. You could tell he was a buyer just by that. He drugged like crazy, even if he was just fighting, he put on repairs, he just one shoted everyone with light hulls since he had tons of damages. He had a huge score and a very high D/L. But here is the funny thing, he is an absolute nub. He is a captain, with full m2s, and a lot of paints, and I never saw him turn his turret, not once. So while he is killing everyone with all of his drugs and m2s, my team is skilled, but can't get past him and a legit freeze. He pretty much ruined the game, and so now I am going offline for around an hour, then I will return, and play some more (or whenever I get bored). While I do think drugs should stay, I can see why some people don't want em.

[Quarks 2,255]

Pop quiz: spot the cheater.

 

you can't tell, and he might not be cheating or drugging.

[Brubook 1,161]

I can confirm creeperskelly thought on large maps. Maybe also due to my "unfit" PC too, but it is half a year at least that I don't play large maps anymore ... and for large I mean sepurhov ... I cannot even step in a dusseldorf!

 

And yes, as RustyNail, me and others noticed ... daily players fell from an average 120.000 with 150.000 on weekends to an average of 60.000 with almost 70.000 on weekends. If we sum up this with servers reduction, we have a clear idea of what is happening.

 

There will be several reasons for this, yet I think the overdrugging and unsatisfying battles problems is one of them!!!

 

And this is what devs and mods do about it:

 

 

[Brubook 1,161]

you can't tell, and he might not be cheating or drugging.

with more than twice the score that player is cheating/drugging or the whole team is multing!!

[creeperskelly 1,281]

you can't tell, and he might not be cheating or drugging.

Good grief! In a battle where the normal score is in the 300 range one player is over double the average. One player. In the end it was over 1,000 while everyone else had about 400.

 

That's the sign of a drugger.

[JROCKS 46]

I agree that the game was way more fun back in 2012... I dont think drugs should be nerfed or changed a ton, but they do need some tweaking. Thats as far as ill go to the complaining side. This game has gone down the hole these past couple years due to many factors, not just drugs. I liked it a lot better when there was specific battles where druggers were, and few. ALSO.... I think people drug more now because of smart cooldowns. Back when we could use all 3 drugs at the same time, i would rip through my daily gift in a flash. Now, with the cooldowns, it takes 3 times as long to use all 3 drugs, so i end up gaining more than i use, which makes me use them more. Idk if that makes sense to anyone, but thats how i tend to see it. Everybody has way more drugs now with the cooldowns and its harder to use them all up.

This is the real reason i believe. Tanki doesnt have their heads stuck in the sand or anything. They created the game, and they have the final say. if they say drugs wont be taken off the game or changed, then we all just have to learn to live with it. Threatening to leave the game wont do anything.

[JROCKS 46]

Good grief! In a battle where the normal score is in the 300 range one player is over double the average. One player. In the end it was over 1,000 while everyone else had about 400.

 

That's the sign of a drugger.

is it the sign of a drugger? or is it the sign of someone who has committed to the game and stayed the longest? Or goes for kills and caps more than defending or chatting? I can get double what second place has if i dont chat and just play, even without drugs.

[Brubook 1,161]

This is the real reason i believe. Tanki doesnt have their heads stuck in the sand or anything. They created the game, and they have the final say. if they say drugs wont be taken off the game or changed, then we all just have to learn to live with it. Threatening to leave the game wont do anything.

I kind of agreed (for the first time) with part of your previous post, but then you got back to a different position from mine! :)

They have the final say, but let's remember they exist thanks to players ... players they should give attention to, players that has to feel satisfied playing Tanki!

[creeperskelly 1,281]

is it the sign of a drugger? or is it the sign of someone who has committed to the game and stayed the longest? Or goes for kills and caps more than defending or chatting? I can get double what second place has if i dont chat and just play, even without drugs.

Actually Kofe showed up after red team was winning, and, through use of an M3 Hammerking drugged his way to the top to bring blue ahead. One tank. No skills or anything - the player didn't even turn the turret! Just drive, turn, point, shoot.

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

I don't understand what your problem is with drugs, they're fun, and if you don't like them, go join a pro battle! 

 

Smart Cooldowns weren't enough to nerf drugs anyway? 

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Because they are abused and more or less enable a single player to "pay to win." No skills whatsoever to achieve victory! Just point your tank in the general direction and shoot.

 

Would you want to play bowling with someone who uses a ball the width of the lane all the time? Would you want to play baseball with someone who gets to use a giant bat and gets to start running at third base all the time? Would you want to play football with someone who gets a goal the size of the entire field every time?

 

There is nothing "fun" about drugging. Besides, why should the players who don't want the drugging have to pay not to drug? It's the druggers who buy the drugs and tank kits in the first place. Let them pay for the Pro Pass so they can turn on all the drugs they want.

[Brubook 1,161]

I don't understand what your problem is with drugs, they're fun, and if you don't like them, go join a pro battle! 

 

Smart Cooldowns weren't enough to nerf drugs anyway? 

 

Oho!! After quite a while we have a "double series" again!!

 

"The mother of geniuses is always pregnant"

 

and

 

"God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth, so that you more listen than talk"

Bernardino da Siena (1380 – 1444)

 

 

Before writing this kind of comments, please read at least the sum-up post first. Thank you

 

 

Link to sum-up: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&page=71&do=findComment&comment=4714520

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

Oho!! After quite a while we have a "double series" again!!

 

"The mother of geniuses is always pregnant"

 

and

 

"God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth, so that you more listen than talk"

Bernardino da Siena (1380 – 1444)

 

 

Before writing this kind of comments, please read at least the sum-up post first. Thank you

 

 

Link to sum-up: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&page=71&do=findComment&comment=4714520

I read the whole sum-up. I concluded that those complaining about supplies are simply butt-hurt and annoyed because of wrong decisions they made in the game, the game is totally affordable and playable without having to buy with a penny. 

 

Your insults were truly hypocritical, I do hope that at some point you do mature up. Stop complaining. 

[U.N.E.X.P.E.C.T.E.D 118]

I remember how happy all the complaining players were with Smart Cool-Downs but now? They're complaining again and want supplies to be nerfed even more? Come on... Just deal with it or join pro-battles. Enough Veterans already left the game because of this, don't make it worse.

[Brubook 1,161]

I read the whole sum-up. I concluded that those complaining about supplies are simply butt-hurt and annoyed because of wrong decisions they made in the game, the game is totally affordable and playable without having to buy with a penny. 

 

Your insults were truly hypocritical, I do hope that at some point you do mature up. Stop complaining. 

Mine are not insults but facts. Your post was like written without reading. Your "go pro battle" sentence has been widely explained and discussed. My ref. phrases just meant that!

But if you say you read it ... well, this is surprising me!

Anyway "hypocrit" is quite a different thing and, as you have never seen me in battle, I think you shouldn't say it to me. Immature is also kind of offensive. So, I did not offend anyone, while you are offending me.

Also, in your sentence, you did not express any position apart contrasting mine, you did not share any point of view or experience. That is the purpose of this post; every comment is welcome, but your contrasting (you will understand) is not very useful to readers.

My point is not your position with or against drugs. Everyone is free to like one thing or the other. I just don't like much to read the same thing I have been reading some times already here. Just that!