Reduce power of garage supplies

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Lol, the WWE is fake, the winners are known to the fighters before it even starts.

In other news, grass grows, birds fly, the sun shines, and the Scout hurts people. Thank you for your revelation, genius.  <_<

[41tkbat 52]

1. I second that; I usually play 4v4 XP/BP and end at 2nd if not 1st then yesterday I was playing a 2v2 cuz my clanmate was in one of the battles and this dude (I don't know him but apparently my friend does), joined me and we were playing. We played, won the first battle, lost the second, and he turned and called me a noob and ragequit  :huh: Me: 

 

 

 

 

And the thing is, my score was better than his, meaning I did more than him!!!

2. My friend isn't a crazy drugger, though. He uses them only if absolutely necessary, and he also does YouTube so he's friends with other YouTubers and they do STG and drug battles together.

3. Some druggers are smart, but I'm only referring to the noobs that drug when you bump into them in the alley... -_- Such noooooobs

Since this topic is suppost to be about drugging: You write your friend only drugs if necessary. Well, it s never necessary. Unless people are going to die or get unjured in reallife its not Necessary. In fact playing is suppost to be fun for every player involved. Drugging ruins that. And it ruins tanki. 3 years ago there would be 200.000 players online every given time. Keep an eye on how many players are online now. 3years ag0o drugging was "not done" If you would your own team wouldpunish you for that by blocking you or pushing you off of bridges or ramps. Also there was hardly any rudeness or faullanguage in chat. And that usually happens when you say something about druggers or drugging. I have seen a lot of players leave tanki becourse of drugging. So drugging ruins tanki, nice battles, and the fun for a lot of players. Point is the best should win.Not the one with most drugs. I am an adult andown a company that is doing very well. I could spend a fortune on drugs if I wanted to.That way i could "buy" victory. But i dont bedourse i play for fun. I have been accused of drugging coz people looked into ratings. Well: that includes drops. 

[41tkbat 52]

To use supplies, using the power ups.

They say it's unfair when people buy drugs and use them lots to kill you. They are mostly trying to find a nerf for Tanki, and argue off people debating with them (like me).

I and a few others say anyone can buy them, so it's fair. Also if you bought crystals in the game you are the reason the game is running, so you deserve an advantage in a way.

Dear TG, You dont understand teh damage drugging does to tanki. You can readmy previous post. And the most importnat evolving from your post: the best should win,not the one with most drugs, and playing is ment for every p[layer to have fun. Druggers ruin that. Add that to me previous post and you might start to understand. Good luck!

[Cyborg 3,189]

Ok people.

 

There is a major difference between using supplies, and drugging.

 

Using supplies: Im holding a flag in noise. 4 people come to me shoot me mine me up try to cover me from all side's. Seeing the team struggle i Used double armor shoot em and use a repair kit eliminate them all capture the flag.

 

Drugging: I respawn i go up the tunnel in noise put on double damage start shooting people, when cooldown get's over i use armor and keep shooting people and focus on it more than flag at times as i already have capped many. Then a smoky gets a Double damage critical on me i get low on health and activate a repair kit. Change my paint to smoky protection and again go up use DD Kill Use a repair kit For no possible reason except for killing.

 

Now the problem we see, go up the red base get the flag and right before dropping down u notice you are about to die and use a repair kit to get this capture. Comments meanwhile: hhhhhh nooob drugger , come without drugs fag. NOOB COME 1v1 I SHOW YOU. Nooop ******

 

 

So we notice often we the supply users get known as duggers. To eliminate this problem we don't need to reduce prices of drugs so all can use it. It is a bonus power added to a player to be superior for a short period of time. If you have played no drug matches you must have seen how LONG they last if opponency is good. But if it was a drug war then it was a matter of 1 hour MAX. so it makes a sufficient use of time. Drugs Provide a variety to the gameplay. Nobody can play if all are using repair kits over and over. Slowly the economy will die if this happens. The one's who use supplies they ofcourse can. its their crystals their money their drugs. they can do whatever they want to do with it. waste em in parkour kills or use em in essential team battles. Now if you are a strict non-drugger ( Don't worry i won't tell you to go xp/bp ) Consider getting an isida or microupgrading your current stuff and START SAVING THE DRUG'S FROM MISSIONS to be able to get a good score in normal battles. Or buy drug kits if you feel disconnected from mainstream, as they provide huge amt of drugs at CHEAPEST prices. Most of the players "affected by druggers" tend to buy pro pass for non drug matches and fail to find any. It's for them, Go to RU2, Ru3, Ru4 until EN players are enlightened enough to make such battles of their own instead of going to russian's. i mean use en1 its EMPTY almost for ever.

 

So instead of whining here about druggers try to find a way to surpass it with enjoyment.

 

There fore Druggers and supply user's have been separated, and tips for facing druggers have been revealed (some atleast).

Gg.

Happy Tanking

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Since this topic is suppost to be about drugging: You write your friend only drugs if necessary. Well, it s never necessary. Unless people are going to die or get unjured in reallife its not Necessary. In fact playing is suppost to be fun for every player involved. Drugging ruins that. And it ruins tanki. 3 years ago there would be 200.000 players online every given time. Keep an eye on how many players are online now. 3years ag0o drugging was "not done" If you would your own team wouldpunish you for that by blocking you or pushing you off of bridges or ramps. Also there was hardly any rudeness or faullanguage in chat. And that usually happens when you say something about druggers or drugging. I have seen a lot of players leave tanki becourse of drugging. So drugging ruins tanki, nice battles, and the fun for a lot of players. Point is the best should win.Not the one with most drugs. I am an adult andown a company that is doing very well. I could spend a fortune on drugs if I wanted to.That way i could "buy" victory. But i dont bedourse i play for fun. I have been accused of drugging coz people looked into ratings. Well: that includes drops. 

Like PhantomInferno said above, there is a difference between supply users and druggers. It was my mistake to not distinguish between the two. I meant to say my friend was a supply user. He uses them wisely, not just anywhere he wants to. There are times where you absolutely need supplies to accomplish a specific task to help them team, which requires supply use, and that doesn't make you a drugger. But drugging while you bump into someone in the alley....really? Do you really need to drug for that? Exactly, no. And I don't think picking up supply boxes adds to your drug count.

[TG159 734]

Dear TG, You dont understand teh damage drugging does to tanki. You can readmy previous post. And the most importnat evolving from your post: the best should win,not the one with most drugs, and playing is ment for every p[layer to have fun. Druggers ruin that. Add that to me previous post and you might start to understand. Good luck!

looking at your profile, i understand how upset you could be. You are an M1 isida (a low tier m1) playing agasint supposedly M4's with DD or DA.

 

Maybe (No judgment here) you and/or the others are jealous.

 

OR...

 

You guys waste your crystals on 6 m1s (you know who you are) when really, if you buy one combo you can get a good turret, a good hull, a good paint, and drugs.

 

*cough* *cough* get a *cough* kit *cough*

 

 

and honoustly, since you guys are against drugs, you have thousands of them. so if someone drugs a bunch, then just pop in a DA, DD, or repair kit.

[Cyborg 3,189]

And yea i would like to add. You can be the best if you have skills drugs are made to compliment them. Like in a 1v1 (Not xp/bp ... randomly in a battle when u bump into a random guy) you two are fighting on skillz .... a 3rd come comes in to kill you and make it a 2v1.. that's the moment for a supply to come in!

[TG159 734]

Yes, they are noob if they are heavily drugging in a 10 vs 3 Silence CTF and (bonus) are not turning their turret.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

You guys waste your crystals on 6 m1s (you know who you are)

Way to throw me under the bus.

 

First off, I can defend my purchasing of 6 M1's, but I doubt you'd care. If you do care, the spoiler's below.

 

 

 

I've always wanted this account to be Firebird/Wasp, and as you can see, I get a LOT of play-time with them. Yeah, it's a super fun kit, but it lacks versatility. It's basically a short-range glass cannon, and very risky to play as, but I enjoy the thrill. So obviously I'd buy both M1's of that, not to mention they're also super cheap.

 

As for Hornet... I actually bought it before the update that allowed you to buy the modification of your rank. I needed an M2 hull, and to get to M2 Hornet (the cheapest and most available), I had to buy M1 Hornet. I honestly ended up not having to, but you can't say I'm stupid for it since I didn't know the update would come out.

 

However, I do end up using it in battle, since I paired it with Railgun and now play XP (since BP is kinda sucky IMO). You don't stand a chance in XP with M0 anything, so I had to get Railgun M1.

 

And as for Isida/Viking, that's just for when my team needs a healer and I'm the only available one. It's called being helpful...

 

I'm trying to be as versatile as possible, and you're degrading me for it?

 

 

 

And secondly, in regards to this quote:

 

you and/or the others are jealous.

That's degrading. So to our resident mod (who I think is still floating around up there somewhere), where's this guy's warning, huh?

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I have been accused of drugging coz people looked into ratings. Well: that includes drops.

Actually it does not.

 

 

Feel free to take a look at my profile.. and consider I run over a lot of drops all those days.

Maybe you face a certain issue with your keyboard, that AlphaNinjaGirl has as well: if she pushes a certain combination of keys (like driving a corner, rotating turret and somethng else, her keyboard also sends some additional keystorkes. So she drugs although she does not want to.

 

 

 

 

...In fact playing is suppost to be fun for every player involved. Drugging ruins that. And it ruins tanki. 3 years ago there would be 200.000 players online every given time. Keep an eye on how many players are online now.

[...]

I could spend a fortune on drugs if I wanted to.That way i could "buy" victory. But i dont bedourse i play for fun.

Completely on your line here. The way drugs work today, really ruins the game.

 

 

 

@Phantom,

Thanks you too for the good post.. you workd out the difference between a suply user and a constant drug abuser.

 

Actually, even if I have the flag and a team of three or four comes to hunt me... I still don't use supplies.

And yes, I have more then enough free supplies to help me out in such rare situations.

 

But for me, it is like that:

 

 

If they manage to come to hunt for me

- in a group (!)

- and arrive at the same time(!) in my base

- attacking from two different sides (else I just escape)

- and safeguard their own flagrunner (!) in the meanwhile

->> then they made a _great_ tactical move and have really, really good teamwork.

So of course I try my best to survive.. but if they can pull off such a coordinated move, then - imho - they deserve the falg return if they catch me. For me, the use of supplies in this situation, would render their aproach and effort useless.

 

In those rare situations, I even give them credits for the return in the chat ("nice return!" or something) as I really apriciate fighting skilled players and value good teamplay.

I don't ask others to play like that too.. but that's simply the way I play the game.

 

 

 

 

 

Happy Tanking

To you too ;)

[FRITZECAT2014 33]

Happy Birthday Topic !

After one year this topic is always alive. Devs... It means something, right ?

[Brubook 1,161]

 

Ok people.

 

There is a major difference between using supplies, and drugging.

 

Using supplies: Im holding a flag in noise. 4 people come to me shoot me mine me up try to cover me from all side's. Seeing the team struggle i Used double armor shoot em and use a repair kit eliminate them all capture the flag.

 

Drugging: I respawn i go up the tunnel in noise put on double damage start shooting people, when cooldown get's over i use armor and keep shooting people and focus on it more than flag at times as i already have capped many. Then a smoky gets a Double damage critical on me i get low on health and activate a repair kit. Change my paint to smoky protection and again go up use DD Kill Use a repair kit For no possible reason except for killing.

 

Now the problem we see, go up the red base get the flag and right before dropping down u notice you are about to die and use a repair kit to get this capture. Comments meanwhile: hhhhhh nooob drugger , come without drugs fag. NOOB COME 1v1 I SHOW YOU. Nooop ******

 

 

So we notice often we the supply users get known as duggers. To eliminate this problem we don't need to reduce prices of drugs so all can use it. It is a bonus power added to a player to be superior for a short period of time. If you have played no drug matches you must have seen how LONG they last if opponency is good. But if it was a drug war then it was a matter of 1 hour MAX. so it makes a sufficient use of time. Drugs Provide a variety to the gameplay. Nobody can play if all are using repair kits over and over. Slowly the economy will die if this happens. The one's who use supplies they ofcourse can. its their crystals their money their drugs. they can do whatever they want to do with it. waste em in parkour kills or use em in essential team battles. Now if you are a strict non-drugger ( Don't worry i won't tell you to go xp/bp ) Consider getting an isida or microupgrading your current stuff and START SAVING THE DRUG'S FROM MISSIONS to be able to get a good score in normal battles. Or buy drug kits if you feel disconnected from mainstream, as they provide huge amt of drugs at CHEAPEST prices. Most of the players "affected by druggers" tend to buy pro pass for non drug matches and fail to find any. It's for them, Go to RU2, Ru3, Ru4 until EN players are enlightened enough to make such battles of their own instead of going to russian's. i mean use en1 its EMPTY almost for ever.

 

So instead of whining here about druggers try to find a way to surpass it with enjoyment.

 

There fore Druggers and supply user's have been separated, and tips for facing druggers have been revealed (some atleast).

Gg.

Happy Tanking

Dear PhantomInferno

 

I don't agree on some points of your post.

 

Sorry, but on the example you made it is clear that enemy got organised well (to come to you in 4) ... why should you win anyway, despite their good tactics and teamwork? It is clear that their team is working better than yours ... why should they loose?

 

It is again a situation of skills vs "free" overpower ... it is still drugging!

 

But the problem again is not the drugging itself if it would give a slight advantage ... it becomes unfair when you duplicate or quadruplicate your tank capability!

 

As we say, the point is the exaggerated drugs overpower, not their use. Or, better say, also their use, but now where the drugs are soo overpowered. With an appropriate overpower (+25-30%) drugs use would not be the problem they are now.

 

I agree that respawn drugging (maybe hidden in the tunnel where noone sees you are a drugger) is much worse, yet both are drugging IMO

 

 

And ... saving drugs to use them to get better score in battles (with isida) doesn't sound a great suggestion.

 

But you are right ... EN players should start making pro battles!

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

I really, really wanna leave this game right now, and I just can't believe that the people who want me to leave are the same people Tanki rewards and praises. It's almost like Tanki hates their own players... oh wait, they do. As long as you haven't spent any money on the game, they do, but if you're a regular customer they'll do ANYTHING -- even selling you imbalanced advantages -- to get you to stay.

 

I really, really hate this game right now.

[Cyborg 3,189]

I see people saying why shouldn't the other team win if they attack so well? I think you guys forgot tanki is a diverse game where just 1 event has the ability to be a game changing event. when a group of attackers attack you with drugs. It is your job to make the drugs and tackle them till any team mates come for your help, if you don't drug atleast at that point of time. I m sorry to say my friend it's wrong and considered a burden of the team. Using supply at that point of time won't make a huge change in number of your stats, drug count, or NON-Drugger Image

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

It was a post made before my post on the previous page, I assume

Um, er, uh . . . . sigh, yeah, that, what you said.

[Dusk 1,629]

~paragraph~

Happy Tanking

This right here.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I really, really wanna leave this game right now [..]

It's almost like Tanki hates their own players... oh wait, they do. As long as you haven't spent any money on the game, they do, but if you're a regular customer they'll do ANYTHING -- even selling you imbalanced advantages -- to get you to stay.

Sad thing if a game that is supposed to combine fun with a companies earnings, manages to actively drive away it's potential customers and it's real customers.

 

btw, if you stay for about 40 more hours of gameplay you could reach that rank , get a BP M2 kit, rank up once more to Major and play with the big skilled guys in XP/BP mode.

 

 

I see people saying why shouldn't the other team win if they attack so well? I think you guys forgot tanki is a diverse game where just 1 event has the ability to be a game changing event. when a group of attackers attack you with drugs. It is your job to make the drugs and tackle them till any team mates come for your help, if you don't drug atleast at that point of time. I m sorry to say my friend it's wrong and considered a burden of the team. Using supply at that point of time won't make a huge change in number of your stats, drug count, or NON-Drugger Image

Well in your initial post you did not mention that those four tanks that come for you are drugged.

(And if they are... I doubt that a double armour and a repair kit will help you)

 

If it was your intention to tell us, that

- if you fight in a battle where >everyone drugs

- a >non-drugger should leave and make it's slot free for another player

- so that the new one, who >likes drugged gameplay can support his drug-team better

->> then I completely agree to you.

 

But this discussion here is not about full drug battles, where everyone drugs.

Those are fine too, the players should enjoy them if they like to. The issue targeted here is more about battles where (example-> ) in a 8-vs-8 battle _noone_ uses a massive amount of supplies... EXCEPT those two guys that are drugged all the time, come to be in the same team, and tilt over the whole battle in their favour, by ripping through the enemy team like through cardboard-tanks. Simply by beeing next to unstoppable.

 

---

 

According to your profile you do play XP/BP. from time to time?

This little story from last week points to the same direction:

 

 

I recently played a XP/BP 1vs1 with a guy who had M1, while I was already on my BP/m2 Mosquito kit. We both knew I was overpowering him by equipment, but it was ok for him. He equipped Tundra, I played a little slower then I used to - and we gave it a try. He played pretty well and we both had lot's of fun :)

 

Then there was the moment, when I was 1shot + I had his flag and reached my base. He managed to do this really, really awesome shot (respect!) and hit me a second time - and I    -> survived.

I was left with 1..2% of my health.. and could have delivered the flag easily.

 

So what now? Should I:

- be happy that I have the advantage now, and simply deliver his flag to by base, score the point?

- or drop the flag, self destruct and change my paint?

 

 

I chose option 2. You might have done this too, as most XP/BP players I know value fariness and a certain etiquette.

 

Now back to drugs:

To ab!use drugs in order to win against someone that is obviously not drugging, is way more overpowered then my M2 + paint was. And to continue if they ask you to stop it, is ignoring the way all other tanks in this battle play (feels same like a non drugger ignores all the players in a battle full of happy drugers).

 

 

[Cyborg 3,189]

There are rarely any battles where only 1-2 drug. In most cases All are light Supply users burdened buy Huge drugger's. So, yea i do xp/bp often because im saving for a good paint. but i do go normal battle's too. My reply was to them. For those 1-2 drugger battle's i told to save ur supplies to  be used at time's needed or stay put on defence and get a isida. Deal with them the Non drugger way if you want because drugging against another huge drugger is a waste of supplies

[RustyNail 1,538]

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But the problem again is not the drugging itself if it would give a slight advantage ... it becomes unfair when you duplicate or quadruplicate your tank capability!

 

As we say, the point is the exaggerated drugs overpower, not their use. Or, better say, also their use, but now where the drugs are soo overpowered. With an appropriate overpower (+25-30%) drugs use would not be the problem they are now.

 

...

Sorry Brubook, we do not agree on that. It's not only an issue of supplies being OPed... It's more complex. Drugging as we defined it (constant use of supplies) is problematic even if the effect of supplies decreases. It's an extra cost in crystals that comes adding to the cost of superior modifications, in a period where Tanki has decreased the crystal flow (in game as well as by purchasing), thus making the game a pay-to-win or even pay-to-play.

It is also a matter of distribution of power through certain paths (in Tanki there is only one path: money)...

I am sorry to say, even when I use drops only, I can act as a mild drugger. Really, I notice in my battles of last months, after spawn I run to gather a drop. Hazel-Rah had said that clearly. They were planning to make supplies essential to game play. They did that, and they did that even to non druggers like me. Only one that refuges to take drops as well can be clear of this, but in that case this person is going to deal with a lot of firepower.

So, it's a lose-lose case, in regard to Flash Tanki. Will they alter the model in Taki-X? Will any level / factor of power be free of purchasing? We will see.

Anyway, I am not expecting much, if any at all.

[BSG-62 512]

I really, really wanna leave this game right now, and I just can't believe that the people who want me to leave are the same people Tanki rewards and praises. It's almost like Tanki hates their own players... oh wait, they do. As long as you haven't spent any money on the game, they do, but if you're a regular customer they'll do ANYTHING -- even selling you imbalanced advantages -- to get you to stay.

 

I really, really hate this game right now.

Buy=Win 

 

That's why i'm playing WoT instead. The game does not specifically benefit buyers too much. 

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Wow, this is amazing...

Any more "balance" you've found?

[RustyNail 1,538]

Wow, this is amazing...

Any more "balance" you've found?

Editing the previous post, in 5 minutes...

[xSniper2 28]

in drugs we believe.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Well, he just summed up why they're here to stay.

"we use are drugs becuz itz fun for us and we know weere being pricks, but we need them becuz theyre wut makes us good".

[Brubook 1,161]

Sorry Brubook, we do not agree on that. It's not only an issue of supplies being OPed... It's more complex. Drugging as we defined it (constant use of supplies) is problematic even if the effect of supplies decreases. It's an extra cost in crystals that comes adding to the cost of superior modifications, in a period where Tanki has decreased the crystal flow (in game as well as by purchasing), thus making the game a pay-to-win or even pay-to-play.

It is also a matter of distribution of power through certain paths (in Tanki there is only one path: money)...

I am sorry to say, even when I use drops only, I can act as a mild drugger. Really, I notice in my battles of last months, after spawn I run to gather a drop. Hazel-Rah had said that clearly. They were planning to make supplies essential to game play. They did that, and they did that even to non druggers like me. Only one that refuges to take drops as well can be clear of this, but in that case this person is going to deal with a lot of firepower.

So, it's a lose-lose case, in regard to Flash Tanki. Will they alter the model in Taki-X? Will any level / factor of power be free of purchasing? We will see.

Anyway, I am not expecting much, if any at all.

Well, I agree with you!

I was just trying to focus on one problem at a time!

Anyway I meant that it would not be a problem as it is now ... it would be a less big problem!

If drugs were nerfed, we would be probably more than half way to the solution!