Reduce power of garage supplies

[HichigoShiiro 4,378]

omg people calm down go play the game and buy drugs instead of spending the entire day on here complaining about people who drug 

[HichigoShiiro 4,378]

Tanki is really coming from Pay2Win to Free For All,as 2-3 years ago, buyers can have spark at Staff Sergeant or even Digital! And by First/Second Lieutenant you can have Inferno, Emerald and Prodigi ( or even more! I forgot many actually) and at Update 123 or124 Economics changes came and it made damn hard to earn Crystals! After some months in a Update they introduced 60% Fund increase, it made the situation some easy! And now we have sales, kits ( more good than before) and PDs! And whole sale discounts! They made it easy to compete against buyers.

do you have any idea what you are talking about?

2-3 years ago we can have all m3 by first lieutenant, yes. BUT, it was easy to earn crystals because we could predict when a gold dropped, there were crystal box drops and many more, like battle funds only going to the winning team etc. 

 

Sure enough we didnt have many sales and such but it was way more fun back then. 

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

do you have any idea what you are talking about?

2-3 years ago we can have all m3 by first lieutenant, yes. BUT, it was easy to earn crystals because we could predict when a gold dropped, there were crystal box drops and many more, like battle funds only going to the winning team etc. 

 

Sure enough we didnt have many sales and such but it was way more fun back then. 

It should be noted, that here, we deal in drugs, not "BUYERS" per say.  Equipment is investment, not disposable power.

[HichigoShiiro 4,378]

You can get around 20-30k crystals a day depending on how good battles you join. In 3 days you can buy a 1k drug kit. Its really not that hard to buy drugs. Stop complaining. 

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

You can get around 20-30k crystals a day depending on how good battles you join. In 3 days you can buy a 1k drug kit. Its really not that hard to buy drugs. Stop complaining. 

I can play MAYBE 5 to 6 hours a week, sometimes 8.  Given that dynamic, I'm hard pressed to buy equipment, much less drugs.  Cease telling me to stop complaining, you're type is tiresome.

 

Some of us, the WORKING types, can't spend hours online playing for 20k of crystals a day, and that's me saying free play, so yeah, not even pay to play, so how ever you try to come back to that, it's not a valid option.  I have to save for months for the littlest thing, I'm not about to go buy a bunch of disposable things, above and beyond the principal aspect of it.

[DarkOperative 5,580]

Guys, this topic is not intended for arguments. 

 

Discuss the main idea of the topic as much as you want, but taking it into an argumentative way isn't an option. Simply put - discuss aspects of the idea as much as you want. However, do NOT offend whilst giving your opinion/view on certain things about it. This forum is intended for friendly discussions, not debates/arguments or any of the like.

 

Off-topic & irrelevant posts have been hidden and necessary measures taken.

 

Thanks.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

I just love mods....

 

So solutions:

Make pro pass for ranks lower than major cost less (against the rules of forum I know.) Or... have it that under the rank major have the pro pass last longer than a month (legal to suggest I think)

 

Pls remember that this is not for trying to convince others to not drug as doing that causes insult by a certain type of tanker.

 

Any other solutions?

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

I just love mods....

 

So solutions:

Make pro pass for ranks lower than major cost less (against the rules of forum I know.) Or... have it that under the rank major have the pro pass last longer than a month (legal to suggest I think)

 

Pls remember that this is not for trying to convince others to not drug as doing that causes insult by a certain type of tanker.

 

Any other solutions?

Yes, stop bothering this thread, go else where, and do not engage us in subject matter that is neither here nor there.  We have already explored the solutions options, none of which have worked so far.  So we need to keep looking for one that satisfies OUR desires, not some compensatory idea thrown over a fence by the drugger crowd.

 

Since I've been reported to the "naughty hurt my feelings prissy patrol", I'll shall take my tact with you all, and be 10 times more offensive without being able to be called out on it.  Prepare for some awfully long posts in the future.

 

Oh, and yeah, the few of us that are still, I'm going to be asking them to pursue you all through all the forum threads, and we shall chime in on your issues regularly, and vociferously, without reason nor merit, simply to return the favor.  You asked for it.

 

Oh, and one more thing, dear player that has played so much longer that he feels entitled to this game more than others, and feels he can dictate the terms of a thread he never created and really has no business commenting on,

 

"Pls remember that this is not for trying to convince others to not drug as doing that causes insult by a certain type of tanker."

 

Um, yes, it is, we are against it, and we will carry that banner always, so let me begin this new era of polite speak with

 

"All tankers that come here that tire of drugging, you are right, players who do are of a different class and overall moral fiber, and as such, you are at home here, welcome, and need not feel ostracized, nor foolish, for your sentiment on the topic, there are plenty of players, like myself and others, that dislike, even abhor, the presence of such players, and while it is a unfortunate reality of the game adopted by a great many number of "players" (I use the term loosely at best), it is nothing more than poppycock bovine dropping and we'd love to hear your opinion about it, and the players that do it."

 

So there, before we again let an outsider try to set the tone for this room.

 

As for the mod that edited up my post, there was one word that was technically offensive, and another that is strictly subjective.  Shame you cannot draw a line, hard and fast, that I can follow to ensure that I buffet right up to the line, but never cross it.  Again, more Tanki politics, like drugs, one moment something is set here, the next it's twice as much, twice as offensive, twice defensive, and if I'm around and posting, you guys are twice as fast to come and try to find something of issue.  Bravo, you guys are just like the folks we like to talk about here in this forum.

 

So anyways, yeah, see you all around the forums, it'll be fun, we can debate lots of things too.  BYE!

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Hmmm.

You just used the word discuss in an idea and suggestions forum. Pls go to game discussions to discuss the matter. This forum is strictly for ideas and suggestions. And pls, if you are not open for suggestions then dont come here to complain about them.

 

Here is one for starters:

To promote none supply pro battles maybe tanki can promote them by making them bold in the chat when they are shared

 

 

P.S And just a warning: dont make your little friends have to get banned. Its a shame to make a big issue out of an issue that doesnt exsist.

[DarkOperative 5,580]

Yes, stop bothering this thread, go else where, and do not engage us in subject matter that is neither here nor there.  We have already explored the solutions options, none of which have worked so far.  So we need to keep looking for one that satisfies OUR desires, not some compensatory idea thrown over a fence by the drugger crowd.

Who gives you the authority to call off any player from replying to a topic? 

 

Every user has the right to visit any topic on the forum and, if deemed necessary, reply on it. That's how any forum works - freedom of speech and the ability to give opinions/reviews on any subject.

 

 

Since I've been reported to the "naughty hurt my feelings prissy patrol", I'll shall take my tact with you all, and be 10 times more offensive without being able to be called out on it.  Prepare for some awfully long posts in the future.

 

Oh, and yeah, the few of us that are still, I'm going to be asking them to pursue you all through all the forum threads, and we shall chime in on your issues regularly, and vociferously, without reason nor merit, simply to return the favor.  You asked for it.

There is no need for "awfully long posts" on this thread nor is there a need to be even more offensive to others. As said before, this is a friendly forum open for all friendly-discussions. We do not accept debates/arguments which can prove to be too offensive for the younger users here.

 

We're not your enemies and nor are you ours. 

 

You're open to discuss the idea as a drugger or anti-drugger and give your thoughts and opinions accordingly. However, do not change your tone to prove your point better than others. Keep it cool.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Hmmm.

You just used the word discuss in an idea and suggestions forum. Pls go to game discussions to discuss the matter. This forum is strictly for ideas and suggestions. And pls, if you are not open for suggestions then dont come here to complain about them.

 

Here is one for starters:

To promote none supply pro battles maybe tanki can promote them by making them bold in the chat when they are shared

 

 

P.S And just a warning: dont make your little friends have to get banned. Its a shame to make a big issue out of an issue that doesnt exsist.

327 pages says it does.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

327 pages says it does.

im not going to discuss this in an "ideas and suggestions" forum.

Hey!!!! Ive got an idea (ideas belong in ideas and suggestions) - go create an off topic topic and we wil discuss discissing there. ;)

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Who gives you the authority to call off any player from replying to a topic? 

 

Every user has the right to visit any topic on the forum and, if deemed necessary, reply on it. That's how any forum works - freedom of speech and the ability to give opinions/reviews on any subject.

 

 

There is no need for "awfully long posts" on this thread nor is there a need to be even more offensive to others. As said before, this is a friendly forum open for all friendly-discussions. We do not accept debates/arguments which can prove to be too offensive for the younger users here.

 

We're not your enemies and nor are you ours. 

 

You're open to discuss the idea as a drugger or anti-drugger and give your thoughts and opinions accordingly. However, do not change your tone to prove your point better than others. Keep it cool.

Since a mod has decided to actively take an interest here, ie, get a message for Arak asking to come look at all this, then perhaps if you're so non-partial, hear this.

 

For years, YEARS, we've been in here, trying to come up with solutions.  Each one, fraught with problems.  Either it's ineffective, unmanageable, too clumsy, and Tanki is certainly not going to help us point out battles, PRO or not, that do not use the m consumable garage items apparently.  I WROTE a site for this, apart from Tanki online, completely, and disclaimer-ed things appropriately, and left NOTHING extra, not a thing.  A simple live chat feed where users can look and see who is on and congregate live, pick server, start a pro-battle, THAT'S IT.  You guys, forum mods, followed the link, and then banned it, summarily, so, friendly you are not, there was no infraction against Tanki, no claims of association, the sight was made to be divested of any and all trademarked logos or look or feel from the forums or the game platform interface.  It was JUST a page with a chat window in it.  We were going to point people there, they could log in, no accounts necessary, talk, agree on a server and map, and boom, drug free pro battle.

 

Now, as for how about you looking and turning your attentions towards the other half of the crowd here, since you say no one is on anyone's case, alright, lets look at the reality of all this.  We have a thread, renamed mind you, cleansed of it's original purpose.  We have a group of hard and determined players that joined this thread for strictly the purposes of finding ways to play drug free, since we all here are "Friends" and Arak seems to want to guide things here, be in charge as it were, he pointed out its for ideas, not discussion of game play.  We have been at this far longer than the non-interested parties have been, as they are late comers to this discussion, suddenly, and seemly for no reason, attracted to the idea of speaking against what we so fervently desire.

 

The passive aggressive tone is so thick with that crowd as to be cut with a knife.  It oozes with contempt and a complete disdain for OUR disdain of their use of drugs.  While we quietly huddle among ourselves and try to find ways around it, now they have decided to camp out and at every turn, every new comer is to spoken to, "edified", as it were, to the error of their ways, and should abandon this notion and move along, there is nothing to see here.  When we voice our opposition to this, and try to make the group larger, so as to get a real substantial group that might be useful in coming up with said solution, we are accosted by the likes of Arak, MR now 95 posts (where did he even come from suddenly), and others that duck in and want to act like this is all madness and so much foolishness.

 

When they begin to treat us with the condescension of their "wizened" words, we don't come crying to mods, like they did apparently.  No, we stand our ground, and if there is fight to be fought, we do, here, in forum, the place for it, NOT commenting on the battle field during play, like so many druggers do with "get out of OUR game, you're making us lose", etc, etc.  No, we come here after and talk about it.

 

So, lets do this, rather than start a trolling match across the forum, how about YOU, since you've taken an interest, actively watch over this forum thread and keep them in line too, remind them that they aren't the keepers of knowledge, not even the originators of this thread, their interest here is rarely of import to the real topic of it, and the SOLUTIONS we are seeking.   They only seek to divert the subject matter from "HOW TO PLAY DRUG FREE GAMES" to perhaps you should change you mind, and oh look, we'll help you learn how to play DRUG FILLED games.

 

Understand, this is EXACTLY the issue, the solution is not changing minds, it's addressing the desire of the member of this thread that have actively, for years, tried to come up with something meaning full to do that, play drug free battle in a manner that's easily identifiable real time and can be entered into without making RESERVATIONS days in advance like some sort of formal event that occurs once a year.

 

So, the next time one of the people you have come to defend from my "vicious attacks" and nature begins to spew doctrine about how the PREMISE is wrong, how YOU remind THEM, this forum is, AS ARAK said, about a solution, to the topic, which has always been, FIND a way to play drug free, easily, in the community, without jumping through hoops, and as ARAK SAID, not a discussion about the intrinsic value for or against the reasoning for this in the first place.  We are non-druggers, we oppose, we say it here, no where else, we bother no one, why must we be bothered with the rest if we commit no offense there?

 

Now, as to your sound bite on my comment of him leaving and not speaking, I said good, he should, not telling him he can't, as nice as I think that would be, but if he does, like I said above, and he has so cogently pointed out himself, in his own words, and as mod, you know exactly what he said, anything he does say should remain on track and towards the solution, nothing else, since we seem to be so stuck on the rules here now.

 

And speaking of free speech, since when do you get to dictate what is and isn't free speech?  "awfully long posts"?  I'll write as much I want, however much I want, when I want, and as long as no one's "feelings are hurt", you can't stop me according to your own rules of free speech, after all, there plenty on the other side of this fence that that say what they wish, when they wish, as often as they wish, and more often than not,  not contributing to the discussion or topics true intent.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

You've got no hope whatsoever of nerfing garage supplies, it's not happening.

 

However(and I'm playing devils advocate here), given that most of the anti-druggers seem to be against the no-skill aspect of drugging.......i.e only having to press 1234 for boosts...why not think of a way of making it harder and thus more skilful to use, and then repeatedly use the supplies? A feature that requires you to do something to receive the full potency of the supply you're using, like the length of time it's active for or the % boost you get(or both), which gets more difficult to do the more supplies you activate.

 

Tanki devs would be more open to this as the drugger will presumably need to use more drugs until they master whatever feature is put into the game that requires perfecting, as well as when they mistakes and waste their drugs.

 

I've already thought of couple of possible ways of doing this, but I'm not gonna bother putting them up here, it's not my problem, as IMO the smart-cooldowns solved the issue, I assume you drug-loathers think differently. In the time it's taken you to moan about the issue, you could have made some progress in at least suggesting realistic solutions.

So, to be polite, and it's very, very, so very difficult with you, I'll simple point out the obvious . . .

 

I never once said nerf drugs, I said clearly what my issues are.  We need a place to play away from druggers, period.  A way to congregate, identify one another, separate ourselves from the druggers, and easily create battles that other non-druggers can play in.

 

And as you can now see, mod and ARAK have kindly reminded us, YOU, Mr 95 posts, should be strictly proffering solutions, not your opinion here, so, keep it to yourself.  We're here to do one thing and one thing only, find a way for non-druggers to play together easily.  Got any ideas?  IF you do, say something, otherwise, well, you know.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Hmmm.

You just used the word discuss in an idea and suggestions forum. Pls go to game discussions to discuss the matter. This forum is strictly for ideas and suggestions. And pls, if you are not open for suggestions then dont come here to complain about them.

 

Here is one for starters:

To promote none supply pro battles maybe tanki can promote them by making them bold in the chat when they are shared

 

 

P.S And just a warning: dont make your little friends have to get banned. Its a shame to make a big issue out of an issue that doesnt exsist.

For all the short coming I might find with your position, tact, and demeanor in this thread, that was our first, and primary, and hopefully number one solution to this dilemma, and it was not only ignored, battle naming was removed, thus even that couldn't be used.

 

Again, solution offered, ignored, and we're still here, and I offered that up never from day one of this thread.

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

So, to be polite, and it's very, very, so very difficult with you, I'll simple point out the obvious . . .

Being nice isn't really all that hard.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Just note that i have major drug friends invited here to the topic by the creator.... so any effort to say we are not welcome is out of the question.

Also ive read lots of the first pages. Its anti drugging claiming imbalance yet not disagreeing that its because lack of supplies. They considered it noob without a reason and they kinda agreed (by not disagreeing) that its the lack of drugs to free players. As rustynail himself (co leader of topic) said: there are enough free supplies that balance is mostly restored.

Lets start discussing ideas

fogofwar, give your best shot at an idea

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Just note that i have major drug friends invited here to the topic by the creator.... so any effort to say we are not welcome is out of the question.

Also ive read lots of the first pages. Its anti drugging claiming imbalance yet not disagreeing that its because lack of supplies. They considered it noob without a reason and they kinda agreed (by not disagreeing) that its the lack of drugs to free players. As rustynail himself (co leader of topic) said: there are enough free supplies that balance is mostly restored.

Lets start discussing ideas

fogofwar, give your best shot at an idea

I will, once again, iterate my idea, but tomorrow, I don't have the time at the moment.   My original idea, the simple idea.  IT will be in vain, it will be for no reason, but I shall.

 

As for the positive attitude aspect of your offer, it is not necessary to hype any of this.  I've been at this thread far longer, so have faith that my efforts are far better shots than anyone else's, and since you asked for it, I will share it, the solution, that is, tomorrow.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Just note that i have major drug friends invited here to the topic by the creator.... so any effort to say we are not welcome is out of the question.

Also ive read lots of the first pages. Its anti drugging claiming imbalance yet not disagreeing that its because lack of supplies. They considered it noob without a reason and they kinda agreed (by not disagreeing) that its the lack of drugs to free players. As rustynail himself (co leader of topic) said: there are enough free supplies that balance is mostly restored.

Lets start discussing ideas

fogofwar, give your best shot at an idea

So, the solution, simply stated.

 

Tanki needs to create an additional indicator in the battle list for propass battles that makes it instantly identifiable when a battle is supply free.  Also, the friend system should be updated to allow players to group friends in folders, so one can make a sub list of friends that are drug free players so it can easily be reviewed, see who is on, and contact them to initiate battles if none are present.

 

So the first, clear, the second, it's functionality not native to the idea of drug free battles, but it would allow players to group and associate people they keep as friends into classes that are easier to review real time.  This one would likely be a far larger undertaking in terms of ideas, but easier to implement I imagine, creating folder structures isn't rocket science.

 

The hurdle of course technically will be the hard coding of specific indicators that are then flagged as such in the battle listing.  That is the sort of thing that is also not rocket science, but might not fit a scale-able battle management system if it was never written for it, thus anytime a change is made, that one item will have to be taken into consideration, so it would be a investment upfront for them to do it right the first time, and make sure that function scales with updates and changes easily.

 

So there you have it, indicator for drug free battles and a way to group drug free players in friend lists to easily find them and invite them.

 

Solution offered.  Now what?  That's rhetorical btw.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Good^

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Good^

That is again not germane to the topic.  We don't need positive or negative reinforcement here.  I find the comment patronizing and offensive nearly, since we're all so sensitive around here.  Add something constructive instead, as in  how someone might get this to happen.  Other than that, if you have nothing to contribute, it's already been stated, don't say anything, good or bad, it's not needed, and frankly, not wanted, by all parties.  Antiseptic, clean, pure ideas, that's the rule.

[Benefactor 6,888]

Make EN11 a drug-free server - drops will be the only drugs that exist, just like in the Recruit battles but now extended to all the ranks. The server should be coded to unrecognize/disable the 1234 buttons.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Make EN11 a drug-free server - drops will be the only drugs that exist, just like in the Recruit battles but now extended to all the ranks. The server should be coded to unrecognize/disable the 1234 buttons.

Only if the server costs crystals will this have a chance. So as just a suggestion to the suggestion: 5000 cry month pass to server:

[basenji7 1,199]

Only if the server costs crystals will this have a chance. So as just a suggestion to the suggestion: 5000 cry month pass to server:

How about if you buy the PRO pass you gain access to it?

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

How about if you buy the PRO pass you gain access to it?

you already gain access to none drug battles with pro.