Reduce power of garage supplies

[Benefactor 6,888]

I lay about 4+ mines every 15 minutes in CTF, so it would be in my best interest to take cover and stay alive. Hence the high Repair Kit use (2 every 15-min game of CTF). If I don't lay mines, then no need for me to repair. I just wait for the other guy's green wrench to light up and then hit '3' and continue. I'm actually liking Polygon CP more now, even if there are druggers - as long as I have a full team to back me. I don't need to use my own supplies in CP.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, the plot thickens, now I have to watch quietly.  I am NOT questioning ANG's post, but I will say I am VERY surprised that someone can get banned for that.  As I said above, I've been subject to a lot worse than that myself, for nothing nothing more than camping and Shafting, and nothing has ever come of it except on the rarest of occasions.

...If you want more details, I can PM you.

But I'm not posting what I've witnessed her say both publicly and loudly in the game chat to a minor drugger.

It was horrible.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I could go with that, provided you define what 24/7 means. If, however, it means that one spawns and drives the first 1/3 of the battlefield undrugged and then he drugs to go for the flag, in my book this is also drugging, and it is proven by the supplies per hour ratio.

Drugging is a certain percentage of real battle time. If one is more or less mostly on supplies (using garage supplies when drops are not handy) then this one is drugging. Not using supplies when you 're hiding in a corner and chatting, will not make you a non drugger. Facing opponents without supplies does.

My definition of 24/7 is drugging everywhere, anytime. Even in 1-1 situations; let's say you are blue, approaching the red base from the hills on the left. You come face to face with a red guy and he's full on drugging DA and Repair KIt. Who the hell in their right mind would do that? -_- The only time I drug is when I think I can escape with the flag. I don't blindly run in respawn after respawn (like some noobs do) depending on my drugs to keep me alive. I wait for a teammate to attempt to take the flag as a distraction while I sneak in and take the flag. Usually they turn their attention back to me and in this case a Repair Kit is necessary to successfully escape. Even so, my drug use is still relatively low compared to other druggers. Ever try to catch and destroy an M3 Wasp on Nitro and Double Armor? :P There are noobs in Noise that try snatching the blue flag and drugging their way out only to get blocked by a Mammoth and still drug thinking they can get out.

 

Don't worry, I'm still against drugging :) I'm just saying sometimes you need that supplement that drugs provide to accomplish a certain task. As long as you don't abuse it I'm OK with it. Doesn't it feel so good when you kill someone right as they activate an RK? :D I was using Railgun and this dude was fighting my teammate who had done quite a bit of damage to him. The enemy used an RK 0.5 seconds before I shot him and he died :D :D Me:

 

 

 

 

[KrystenHunt16 128]

...If you want more details, I can PM you.

But I'm not posting what I've witnessed her say both publicly and loudly in the game chat to a minor drugger.

It was horrible.

Okay, yeah. So I do have a temper. That ONE time that you saw me spouting off on how asswipe-ish that person was, was because I was just shocked that one of my old-time friends had befriended her and... yeah, basically there was a lot of background drama to that one.

 

Look, I don't swear often. Heck no. I only swear when I feel very strongly about something. So if I swear, I honestly mean it. If I say "Go rape yourself with a crowbar", yes, I mean that too. I literally want you to go tear up your insides with Half-Life's headcrab killer. But quite honestly, I'm mild compared to most immature kids I see on this game.

 

If I get banned three times in the same month, even if it's for honest cases of profanity, don't you think that's a bit much for mods? They're clearly targeting me, a vocal anti-drugger, for the sole purpose of shutting my argument down. They don't care what I have to say, because I don't spend money on the game. If I were a betting person, I'd bet you my entire year's salary that if I started spending money on the game, the bans would be much much less frequent.

 

 

 

As a side note, if I could have freedom of speech, this is what I'd say about drugs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYx5liS4oA

 

 

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Oh no, I swear all the time, I have no problem with that. But I'm not Hannibal Frickin' Lecter about it.

It wasn't that in particular, it's just how brutal you were to them and some of the things you said.

It just kinda made me uncomfortable, which is why I left you after that.

[RustyNail 1,538]

if I may ask,what is urs S/H limit which devides "drugger" from average player? :)

Of course, one can't be sure based on stats only, if the subject of the investigation participates in XP/BP battles that use only drops (or not even drops)..

But I would say about 20-25 supplies per hour. 20-40 supplies per hour (for a non Pro battle player) means a mild drugger (hard to be star in a battle, but can contribute to other druggers, like Benny70 two pages ago), while above 40 it's definitely a drugger. Pro drugging is above 80 supplies per hour, and insane drugging or pathological drugging is above 120 supplies per hour (that is 2 supplies per minute, AVERAGE)...

 

If you take me for example, I used to be around 18 supplies per hour but I have fallen to 10. And I don;t do Pro battles (except today, which happened after quite some time of restrain from Pro pass).

I hope I have answered clearly..

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

 

If I get banned three times in the same month, even if it's for honest cases of profanity, don't you think that's a bit much for mods? They're clearly targeting me, a vocal anti-drugger, for the sole purpose of shutting my argument down. They don't care what I have to say, because I don't spend money on the game. If I were a betting person, I'd bet you my entire year's salary that if I started spending money on the game, the bans would be much much less frequent.

 

 

Agreed.  This is the sense I get often.  While it is not of a nature of drugging, and again, not relevant to DRUGGING itself, it's corollary parallel is worth mentioning here. (I will link the info below in an edit later when I can find it).

 

During the assault on all things Shaft related, an employee of Tanki (I think they work for Tanki) made a change to Serpuhov.  Used to be, and many of you will recall, that you used to be able to go on the ledge both on the red side, and the blue side, and if you were slow and careful, could take up some very useful positions upon the map.  There are concrete walls now, one on each side of the map that block passage now to these locations.  These locations were truly for camping purposes.  No one else accept a Shaft, and MAYBE a rail could make use of them.

 

I addressed this change that went unannounced with the developer.  In the conversation, I brought up the fact that it wasn't more than just a place to camp from. 

 

The reply was ALL TELLING and ALL KNOWING. 

 

This jerk had the balls to flatly state that since he was in charge of this aspect, managing maps or what not, in a customer service role, fielding calls and emails, he himself hated the turret currently, wished it was not in the game as it existed, and had made it his mission to do all he could to down grade the effective game play of Shafts, based upon the fact that he DIDN'T LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE CAMPED.  Since he was in charge of fielding complaints, and lots of little users emailed to whine that big nasty Shafts were ruining their fun because they got shot (imagine that, a game of armored combat where you die when hit???), he was bound, and ALSO willing, to make this change. 

 

Now, I have a Shaft guide that is under way, and in it, I explain the power of the Shaft how to wield it mercilessly against enemies.  One of the main strengths of a Shaft is the one shot kill, and the ability to turn drugged out units into bearable enemies that can be dispatched again by mere mortals.  Both of those things make drug use less viable, and a RK can't be used when ALL YOUR health is reduced to nothing in one shot.  He went so far as to delete his comment to me (which I in fact had screen shot, because I'm a smart MF like that).  I re-posted it and let the world see what he had to say, and the answer was an indignant (he wasn't expecting the screen shot I think), but still defiant, "I hate Shafts and camping, and I don't care what kind of GAME PLAY YOU'RE INTO, but I'm going to shut you up and shut you down just because I want to."

 

Now lets do the math.  Shafts CAN BE purchased by simple game play, and you work hard, spend your crystals wisely, and buy what works for you.  Since Shafts damage is so great (in the past), they didn't need lowly drugs to effect a enemy.  Well, no drugs, wait.  You mean this guy can kill off other units in one shot, do it without spending money and not give the opponent an opportunity to press 1 one the keyboard and spend his own?  Oh my, that IS A PROBLEM, isn't it?  You see, all the arguments were made with the infamous "dynamic game play" mantra, stating that the fluidity of game play was stifled by this evil weapon, forcing players to be much more thoughtful and careful about their tactics (imagine that, a thinking man's game, but I digress).  No, they want a Rugby match were people can press a button and fix broken legs and allow others to break twice as many.

 

It is a sad truth, but yes, they leave me alone now that the stupid laser is on it and the reduced the damage, but I too was targeted.  Get used to it, get around it, and do what you do anyways, and they can't stop you.

 

Don't let it bother you this much, getting banned just isn't worth it.  What would be, I think, is a Hall of Shame.  Since I'm the resident English speaking prick in the forums already, I'll set it up and take the heat if mods decide I'm being a "meanie weenie" for calling out losers with too much money and not enough talent and skill.  We can have contests, polls, etc.  All very "civilized", not a word crossly spoken, just a long list of daily, weekly, and yearly bad actors memorialized on a page somewhere.  (Somehow I know it will be taken down under some pretext, but we can do it and NOT get flak if we do it "respectfully").

[KrystenHunt16 128]

...

On the topic of Shafts:

 

 

 

While I myself absolutely abhor campers, especially when they use mines to protect their backsides, I can understand where you're coming from. On this account, I used to play Shaft a lot as well. I wasn't very good at it, but hey, it's not for everyone.

 

The point is, unless you've ever played as a Firebird against a Shaft, you have no idea how frustrating dealing with Shafts can be. You log on, and before you can make a move, a laser pops out of nowhere and blows you to bits. So you spawn in again. Drive towards a DD or something, and boom, gone again. By the fourth or fifth time, you're so fed up with the Shaft that you make it your sole mission to take him out.

 

So you plan out an attack, wait for the drugs to fall, collect them, wait until he's not looking, drive up the ramp and get ready to burn his ass, and...

 

Mine.

 

The point I'm trying to make is this; campers are beyond immensely infuriating in any game. Most people see them as mindless K/D farmers. Unless you're targeting medics, other snipers, or flag-carriers/point capturers, you're not helping your team very much. If all you're doing is spawn-camping the same player over and over (and believe me, I know that's what a lot of Shafts do), your existence is moot. It takes you (1 tank) all your effort to keep 1 tank down, the only difference is you're getting score and annoying the crap out of him.

 

So while I'm definitely on your side that the "camping" spots shouldn't have been removed (or at least should have had a formal announcement or something), I understand where the anti-camper is coming from.

 

Campers generally don't help the team, all they do is snipe people like cowards to boost their own K/D and ego.

 

(And as another side note, Shaft's laser was a good nerf. It was frustrating to drive out of spawn and blow up without knowing what hit you, and since you didn't know where the Shaft was, you couldn't avoid getting sniped a second time. With the laser, at least you're not completely clueless as to what just happened, and you can plan your attack better)

 

 

 

Your point is extremely valid. Shaft is one of those guns that is an anti-drug weapon. Since a lot of players use Hornet or Wasp, a DA won't do much against a fully-charged Shaft (or if it does, they'll need to pop an RK). Because of this, I believe Tanki decided to nerf it drastically, in order to force more people into buying/using drugs.

 

Heck, even the "PRO's Advice" promoted drugs. Y'know, the place we're supposed to turn to if we want to hear the latest tricks and skills? If the "PRO's" are saying "use drugs!", they may as well be paid for all the drug purchases they endorsed.

 

Here's a little something for y'all to do; find the people on the V-LOG's who endorse drugs, and go ahead and give them the Golden Wrench gift, saying "Here's a Golden Wrench for being such a cute little tool."

 

:P

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

So here it is,

 

EVERYONE,

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=308090&st=0&p=5334360

 

Enjoy.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

So here it is,

 

EVERYONE,

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=308090&st=0&p=5334360

 

Enjoy.

Well that didn't take long, did it?

 

Okay, I still have a few tricks up my sleeve for this, and I can thank *** for it (you know who you are ;)), and I WILL make good on it. In the mean time, to the mod who closed the topic, please send them this question, to show support for the idea that rules exist for a reason, and as such, they will be followed IF and WHEN they are there.

 

In regards to the Hall of Technical Shame I queried the rule set found at:

 

http://tankionline.com/en/rules/

 

and I could find NO reference to your rule indicating the closing of my forum posting.

 

Please indicate rule number being violated.

 

Never say I didn't try.

 

(almost forgot, the very nice Forum Mod that I'm SURE would love to field EVERYONE'S PERSONAL REQUEST to answer the question posed about the rules and which one was broken is

 

katekizem

 

That's who you SHOULD send a personal, and separate, inquiry to, to show support, for our efforts

 

Remember, forum mods are here to help you and assist you navigate and understand the rules, regulations, and usage of the forums here, and as such, they will enjoy the opportunity to answer all of you in their opportunity to fulfill their community obligations as said moderators)

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

For me a "drugger" has a dph ratio of about 20.

 

@Alpha,

 

 

 

Either you do this:

 

 

or the mods to this:

 

:P

B)

 

 

 

 

Hall of shame

I wonder how this turns out :)

It is like mobbing in a way... hmm.. will think about it larer, first I need some rest :)

[BSG-62 512]

Rhett and Link reference.

 

+5 admiration points. :P

Yes! Someone else watches their channel!

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Oh look, I found the rule katekizem must have used and applied to locking down the topic:

 

2.3.21. Publication of information that may result in harm/losses for Users or the Administration;

 

 

 

Joking of course, you should really send him that question, just so you can know too what to do when faced with such a decision in the future as to what you can post and cannot.

[KrystenHunt16 128]

In the mean time, to the mod who closed the topic, please send them this question, to show support for the idea that rules exist for a reason, and as such, they will be followed IF and WHEN they are there.

Now watch me get on my 20 or so alternate accounts and send this message to the mod. Boy, won't he be surprised... :P

[TG159 734]

drugger in my dictionary.

 

60 drugs a minute.

[Brubook 1,161]

drugger in my dictionary.

 

60 drugs a minute.

... and I bet that all your life experience comes out of that ... dictionary!

[KrystenHunt16 128]

drugger in my dictionary.

 

60 drugs a minute.

That's 360 drugs/hour, or one drug per second. Even without Smart Cooldowns, you can't activate two of the same drug at the same time, so it's literally impossible... unless you're getting killed literally every 5 seconds, which wouldn't be much of a bragging right, now would it?

 

Please take the time to get an X-ray to confirm that you have a brain before trying to impress upon us that you're a sentient creature, okay? ;)

[RustyNail 1,538]

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/ogasawara_sachiko/

skill with thunder - viking - digital = 50%

skill with DD - DA = 150% (>120 ratio)

social skill = 0% (as if he plays against a computer, without humans participating)

I won't express my frustration now (in an appropriate vocabulary). Just stating how impossible it is for normal players to play against such a buyer / drugger...

[Benefactor 6,888]

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/ogasawara_sachiko/

skill with thunder - viking - digital = 50%

skill with DD - DA = 150% (>120 ratio)

social skill = 0% (as if he plays against a computer, without humans participating)

I won't express my frustration now (in an appropriate vocabulary). Just stating how impossible it is for normal players to play against such a buyer / drugger...

How did you do the math? I want to know if I have a serious drug habit.

[RustyNail 1,538]

How did you do the math? I want to know if I have a serious drug habit.

Supplies usage ratio is the division of total supplies used to total amount of playing time. Total amount comes from adding all the turrets OR all the hulls OR all the paints used. Usually I prefer the hulls because players are more steady on the use of some hulls than they are on turrets or paints.. but either will do.

So, you have a total amount of supplies used of 2.265 and total time of playing 84,5 hours. If you make the division you come with the result of 27,0414... Well. 27 supplies per hour. If you don't play Pro battles then you are on the limit.. Since most of the supplies used by you are mines I would not consider you a typical drugger. If you do parkour, even more. On the other hand, when using mostly a mammoth and second in quantity of supplies used are repair kits, this indicates the idea of a slow moving combo that is big on armor and replenishing the armor with repairs..

That's an example of how I interpret stats.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Just watched the new V-LOG...

 

As if getting kills with Firebird wasn't hard enough, now the "pro" encourages people to use repair kits when fighting Firebird? Now all of a sudden, when I sneak up behind someone to gently warm their buttocks with my flamethrower, I'm met with a DARK combo. Thanks Tanki, you're making it harder for me to play...

 

Oh, um... if you haven't noticed, I've returned from banishment.

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

Just watched the new V-LOG...

 

As if getting kills with Firebird wasn't hard enough, now the "pro" encourages people to use repair kits when fighting Firebird? Now all of a sudden, when I sneak up behind someone to gently warm their buttocks with my flamethrower, I'm met with a DARK combo. Thanks Tanki, you're making it harder for me to play...

 

Oh, um... if you haven't noticed, I've returned from banishment.

And I thought "pro" players had more common sense than just to use supplies right off the bat; that's why I don't even bother watching the uninformative V-LOGs. Yeah, they're not really of any use; especially those "Pro" tips. You're not really giving me tips...Personally I don't even think there's such thing as a "Pro" player. This game is too straightforward and easy to overcome (on a no supplies perspective). You wanna be a "Pro" player in a tank game? Play World of Tanks please! I always knew TO was rigged; it's like this game is SET UP for us to always use Supplies...I'll admit, I don't want to use supplies all the time because this game is pumping it out. The game's already broken; why not FIX stuff instead of dealing the players BS cards to deal with?! I'd rather play World of Tanks; even though it's 100x more rigged than TO with the spotting; figuring out an enemy's view range; equipment he has on his tank; and all the other stuff that's in it...

 

I just got off my 1-month break too...Probably gonna make another proper exit.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I bet you they're paying those "pro" players to encourage this kinda stuff so they make more profit...  :ph34r:  :ph34r:

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Just watched the new V-LOG...

 

As if getting kills with Firebird wasn't hard enough, now the "pro" encourages people to use repair kits when fighting Firebird? Now all of a sudden, when I sneak up behind someone to gently warm their buttocks with my flamethrower, I'm met with a DARK combo. Thanks Tanki, you're making it harder for me to play...

 

Oh, um... if you haven't noticed, I've returned from banishment.

This is nothing but gender inequality.  We come to your defense, and you get your account back in a day.  I post up some technical stat shaming thread and they lock it down and have yet to answer ONE of my complaints about it.

 

I DEMAND fairness in the workpla. . . . um . . . playpla . . . . um . . . . um . . . . errr . . . I demand life be fair, darn it.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Just watched the new V-LOG...

 

As if getting kills with Firebird wasn't hard enough, now the "pro" encourages people to use repair kits when fighting Firebird? Now all of a sudden, when I sneak up behind someone to gently warm their buttocks with my flamethrower, I'm met with a DARK combo. Thanks Tanki, you're making it harder for me to play...

 

Oh, um... if you haven't noticed, I've returned from banishment.

 

I bet you they're paying those "pro" players to encourage this kinda stuff so they make more profit...  :ph34r:  :ph34r:

I bet YOU ARE RIGHT too.  All the little kids looking up to the "PRO" gamers.  Sigh, since when was a hobby and a past time of sitting turned into professional event?  Like Rome, civilization will crumble soon I fear.