category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[wolverine848 13,097]

33 minutes ago, Mihoyo said:

As far as I know, hyperspace doesn't seem to cause critical damage, and its basic damage, that is, the damage without the help of any hulls, seems inexplicably high.

Unless they've coded it wrong, basic damage is 1015 (700 x 1.45).  Not sure I'd call that "inexplicably high".

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

9 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Unless they've coded it wrong, basic damage is 1015 (700 x 1.45).  

The new damage is 990 x 1.2. Which still is not high. That's slightly lower than Stock Railgun's average damage before the critical hit update  

[Mihoyo 52]

@wolverine848 @TheCongoSpider I think what you said is right. Last night, I tested the hyperspace damage of mk7-0 in the test. When the enemy player does not use the boosted armor and is not equipped with the railgun module, the damage is 2096. When the player uses the boosted armor, as you said, the damage is only slightly more than 1000, which is no problem, but in the actual battle, I can assure you that 3 / 4 of my 4000 HP has indeed disappeared, That's why I call it "inexplicably high". Of course, maybe I mistakenly ignored some key factors at that time.

 

15 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The is the only problem with Hyperspace. The penetration % was set too high.

Very good. I think you have explained the essence of the problem. The excessive return of penetration is indeed a problem hidden under the basic damage that may not be "inexplicably high"

And a large number of players scattered near their birthplace in each game can give full play to the huge advantages brought by high penetration, which undoubtedly makes the rewards and penalties brought by hyperspace seriously unbalanced@NikmanGT 

[YANUKFIN 493]

On 4/10/2022 at 4:02 PM, Mihoyo said:

A 7000gs player can easily destroy a 9999gs Paladin with aura by taking a few steps and pressing the left mouse button.

Well imo that is just fine, more of the same i say. These floating trash cans (mostly paladin hacks) are so OP that I'm all in favour of them getting taken out.

On a more practical side, using hyper with rail is not that easy. Being able to line up a shot with a team mate and making sure it goes thru a couple of enemy tanks is more luck than skill. I have used hyper a few times and found that the big hits are very seldom and rely on that "luck factor" quite a bit.

As far as augments go you will not see many using this one because it is so unreliable in battle and restricted to one mode for any sort of decent results, siege. 

[Mihoyo 52]

30 minutes ago, YANUKFIN said:

好吧，这很好，我说的更多相同。这些漂浮的垃圾桶（主要是圣骑士黑客）是如此的OP，以至于我都赞成它们被拿出来。

在更实际的一面，使用超带轨道并不是那么容易。能够与队友排成一列射击，并确保它通过几辆敌方坦克，这更多的是运气而不是技能。我用过几次hyper，发现大热门很少，并且相当依赖这种“运气因素”。

就增强功能而言，你不会看到很多人使用这个，因为它在战斗中是如此不可靠，并且仅限于一种模式来获得任何体面的结果，围攻。

However, on the other hand, you will see that hyperspace players often stand out in the ranking list in the game, and their KD often reaches a shocking level, which is very interesting. In the same Augment, some players can only be at the bottom of the team, while others can use it to reach a height that other players can't reach

[YANUKFIN 493]

7 minutes ago, Mihoyo said:

However, on the other hand, you will see that hyperspace players often stand out in the ranking list in the game, and their KD often reaches a shocking level, which is very interesting. In the same Augment, some players can only be at the bottom of the team, while others can use it to reach a height that other players can't reach

It's a useless augment compared to a lot of OP trash that is available only for buyers.

You have cash to spend in TO then your the developers best friend and they will do their best to keep that broken cycle going.

This new special mission they brought out, one of them is "be in the winning team 69 times" all these players that will rank trying to do this will suffer because their garage will be so weak if they do not have the cash to offset this ridiculous mission when completed. 

I don't no why players keep falling for the same con every time. The game is designed to take the cash from the weak willed and the kids who pester their parents for money.

Any augment worth having is always "FOR CASH ONLY" any and all decisions made by the developers is always aimed at the buyers, FTP get very little from the developers unless it's a new useless shot effect that only 10 yr olds think is cool.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

21 minutes ago, YANUKFIN said:

It's a useless augment compared to a lot of OP trash that is available only for buyers.

You have cash to spend in TO then your the developers best friend and they will do their best to keep that broken cycle going.

This new special mission they brought out, one of them is "be in the winning team 69 times" all these players that will rank trying to do this will suffer because their garage will be so weak if they do not have the cash to offset this ridiculous mission when completed. 

I don't no why players keep falling for the same con every time. The game is designed to take the cash from the weak willed and the kids who pester their parents for money.

Any augment worth having is always "FOR CASH ONLY" any and all decisions made by the developers is always aimed at the buyers, FTP get very little from the developers unless it's a new useless shot effect that only 10 yr olds think is cool.

None of your lines were related to the conversation being discussed, if you want to copy and paste the same content everywhere, do it in the respective section like the Complaint book. And as for your first line, it is not a useless augment now, hyperspace in very powerful with the new buff.

[YANUKFIN 493]

6 minutes ago, NikmanGT said:

None of your lines were related to the conversation being discussed, if you want to copy and paste the same content everywhere, do it in the respective section like the Complaint book. And as for your first line, it is not a useless augment now, hyperspace in very powerful with the new buff.

IF and it's a HUGE IF you are very, very good with it.

I have been playing TO for a long time now (for my sins) and I know what is "good" in battle and what is not. Hyperspace may be "very good" but only if you are a staunch rail gunner and have a lot of hrs playing with this augment. That to one side, for your average player (most players) hyper imo is not going to be seen used in battle very much because of the skill (luck) needed to achieve any meaningful results. 

On a side note, copy and pasting. If the developers would act on player feedback and make a effort to balance the game out then I would gladly stop "copy/pasting" (utter nonsense by the way) my posts.  I say it how it is and my posts reflect the true nature of TO and were it is heading, total P2W.

Wake up to reality mod, or at the very least try saying how TO really is for most players, unplayable. 

[YANUKFIN 493]

Heat and cold immunity, 245.000 crystals. How can the developers justify that much in crystals for augments that are a total waste of time and DO NOTHING at all to mitigate the effects of either.  

[fghjkl54 1,517]

20 minutes ago, YANUKFIN said:

Heat and cold immunity, 245.000 crystals. How can the developers justify that much in crystals for augments that are a total waste of time and DO NOTHING at all to mitigate the effects of either.  

i wonder their excuse when they harshly reduced crystals in containers from 100k to 25k

[wolverine848 13,097]

39 minutes ago, YANUKFIN said:

Heat and cold immunity, 245.000 crystals. How can the developers justify that much in crystals for augments that are a total waste of time and DO NOTHING at all to mitigate the effects of either.  

Don't you mean resistance?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

41 minutes ago, YANUKFIN said:

Heat and cold immunity, 245.000 crystals. How can the developers justify that much in crystals for augments that are a total waste of time and DO NOTHING at all to mitigate the effects of either.  

Heat Resistance does a good job. It's Cold Resistance that doesn't do a good enough job, because your damage enhancers being active or not is binary when the status is applied. Doesn't matter if you're not being slowed down much at all. Your damage is still getting cut in half or more. 

[Abellia 504]

On 4/12/2022 at 6:01 AM, NikmanGT said:

None of your lines were related to the conversation being discussed, if you want to copy and paste the same content everywhere, do it in the respective section like the Complaint book. And as for your first line, it is not a useless augment now, hyperspace in very powerful with the new buff.

You do realize that if people bring up the same thoughtless "arguments" that are shut down by what has already been said, there is almost no difference between copy pasting a previous post and copy pasting it to rephrase it? Same thing goes for criticisms. If the behaviour has not changed, why change the criticism? 

[NikmanGT 4,362]

8 hours ago, Abellia said:

You do realize that if people bring up the same thoughtless "arguments" that are shut down by what has already been said, there is almost no difference between copy pasting a previous post and copy pasting it to rephrase it? Same thing goes for criticisms. If the behaviour has not changed, why change the criticism? 

Because the said criticism was not valid in the discussion being going on, have the user talked about the ups and downs of the Rail augment being discussed, some negative and positive effects that make the gameplay more difficult or interesting due to the said augment, I wouldn't have to mention my statement.

We were talking about Hyperspace, and the same post of the whole "corrupted TO" goes on again, there are specific topics for people to present their opinion, so you should do it in the respective topics. Adding that same paragraph in every topic of every game discussion is not interesting as well as feasible. Removes the meaning of the word  "Criticism"

8 hours ago, Abellia said:

If the behaviour has not changed, why change the criticism? 

Criticism stays criticism if the user has a meaningful approach to actually see the problem getting solved, not just the sake of presenting negative thoughts.

[BruhBruhThingThing 413]

32 minutes ago, NikmanGT said:

We were talking about Hyperspace, and the same post of the whole "corrupted TO" goes on again, there are specific topics for people to present their opinion, so you should do it in the respective topics.

I have to agree here. We don't need people reminding us about how bad the game has gotten. I'm pretty sure that the majority of us have already concluded that its in a pretty pitiful state right now. And for those that still play already know about it, so they don't really need to be reminded.

Now this may seem a bit hypocritical on my end, but hear me out. As far as I'm aware, most of the time when I use a certain statement, its usually in response to a quote for the person whom I feel needs to hear it to get a better understanding of the situation.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

1 hour ago, BruhBruhThingThing said:

how bad the game has gotten. I'm pretty sure that the majority of us have already concluded that its in a pretty pitiful state right now. And for those that still play already know about it, so they don't really need to be reminded

This was not my meaning of the message but......

[BruhBruhThingThing 413]

5 hours ago, NikmanGT said:

This was not my meaning of the message but......

Also I agree with this statement:

7 hours ago, NikmanGT said:

there are specific topics for people to present their opinion, so you should do it in the respective topics. Adding that same paragraph in every topic of every game discussion is not interesting as well as feasible.

Unless the post about something else relates to what the topic is about, I  think they should put their post in the appropriate topic. Not only does it make the forum more organized that way, but its also less confusing of what the topic is about for newer members.

 

_{Ps: I was gonna add this in my previous post, but I was legit tired last night that I couldn't do it, lol.}

[YANUKFIN 493]

On 4/14/2022 at 3:41 AM, wolverine848 said:

Don't you mean resistance?

Yeah, my mistake. Still they are both rubbish.

 

On 4/14/2022 at 1:09 PM, NikmanGT said:

Criticism stays criticism if the user has a meaningful approach to actually see the problem getting solved, not just the sake of presenting negative thoughts.

And there lies the problem. THE PROBLEM never gets solved no matter what it is because the developers "deliberately" make it a problem, (no balance, perpetual P2W only updates, etc.) 

Example of trying to get the problem solved :- I proposed a 3X increase to rank, recruit/marshal to give players (mainly F2P) a chance to strengthen their garage and at least have a fighting chance as they progress thru the ranks. This is a valid proposal and would deff help players in a big way. Have the developers acknowledged this idea, I doubt it, like to try and guess why they will never do this mod. My criticism of the developers is substantiated by their actions, they have not once, ever, tried to balance out TO, even slightly because it might interfere with their precious economy. They downgrade containers, they downgrade ranking up, they continually increase shop prices, they ask players to spend astronomical amounts of cash for the latest P2W update while demeaning and downgrading what players can obtain.

In your defence of the developers, you don't have a leg to stand on mod. 

[BruhBruhThingThing 413]

6 hours ago, YANUKFIN said:

In your defence of the developers,

If he was truly  "defending the developers" he would be saying things like:

 

"The devs do listen to our feedback it just takes time and resources to make it happen"

"It needed to happen because [insert reason]"

Or any other way that would look like an attempt to justify the devs actions.

From what I've seen, he isn't "defending the developers". All he's doing is saying that hyperspace is super powerful now. Now whether his claim here is right or wrong I don't know. Nor if he's basing them on actual use or ecounters.

Please don't be making false accusations towards someone, it doesn't help anyone.

[YANUKFIN 493]

12 minutes ago, BruhBruhThingThing said:

If he was truly  "defending the developers" he would be saying things like:

 

"The devs do listen to our feedback it just takes time and resources to make it happen"

"It needed to happen because [insert reason]"

Or any other way that would look like an attempt to justify the devs actions.

From what I've seen, he isn't "defending the developers". All he's doing is saying that hyperspace is super powerful now. Now whether his claim here is right or wrong I don't know. Nor if he's basing them on actual use or ecounters.

Please don't be making false accusations towards someone, it doesn't help anyone.

And how do you no it's "false".

I am making a claim based on a lot of statistical knowledge that 1....The developers never do anything in regards to balance, 2....Mods never say what they might really want to say because they would be kicked from being a mod. In defence of no.2, I'm referring to what I would post, not the watered down tripe the mods come out with when they do actually disagree with something the developers have done.  

Read between the lines, if you can't manage that, then that's not my problem, it's yours. 

[BruhBruhThingThing 413]

8 hours ago, YANUKFIN said:

2....Mods never say what they might really want to say because they would be kicked from being a mod. In defence of no.2, I'm referring to what I would post, not the watered down tripe the mods come out with when they do actually disagree with something the developers have done.  

Maybe the mods don't want to consistently and repetitively bash the developers like some of us do. 

Quite a few of them have served the devs a hard dish of reality when they feel the need to in an attempt to get them to change their ways. Failed obviously because of the devs greediness, but I appreciate the mods for trying at least.

9 hours ago, YANUKFIN said:

And how do you no it's "false".

Any proof that he's been defending the devs? Give me a few good examples.

[YANUKFIN 493]

21 hours ago, BruhBruhThingThing said:

Maybe the mods don't want to consistently and repetitively bash the developers like some of us do. 

Quite a few of them have served the devs a hard dish of reality when they feel the need to in an attempt to get them to change their ways. Failed obviously because of the devs greediness, but I appreciate the mods for trying at least.

Any proof that he's been defending the devs? Give me a few good examples.

The proof is in their inactions, their constant thumbs up to the developers when they bring anything new out, no matter how absurd it is.

Served the devs a hard dish of reality .  Descend from the clouds and try and find "reality" yourself.

You show me ONE legitimate post from any mod that criticises them like I do (and deservedly so) and I will never post in the forum again. 

Good luck with finding that post.

[BruhBruhThingThing 413]

1 hour ago, YANUKFIN said:

The proof is in their inactions, their constant thumbs up to the developers when they bring anything new out, no matter how absurd it is.

1) You first of all need to learn to differentiate the meanings between the words "they" and "he" before making any ridiculous claims or accusations. In my last post, I clearly said "he" as in NikmanGT. You also need to learn what "constant" means. Nik has only liked 1 vlog and two other topics this week out of 6 news topics. That's not consistent enough to be considered "constant".

2) I've only seen a few mods like the new topics, depending on the topic itself. Many of the topics I'm seeing, the number of players liking it far exceeds the number of mods liking it.

3) So what if the mods like news topic? They are human too you know. If they like like the topic, then they like it.

Overall this part of your post isn't proof that their defending the devs. You're just proving to be desperate to being right here.

2 hours ago, YANUKFIN said:

You show me ONE legitimate post from any mod that criticises them like I do (and deservedly so) and I will never post in the forum again. 

Your posts many times are questionable at best. So if a mod decided to one day act like you, I'm sure their actions will be controversial. 

I am not gonna go through each of the mods hundreds if not thousands posts to look for it. If someone else wants to, then be my guest. I value my time. And frankly, I don't care if you post on the forum again or not.

2 hours ago, YANUKFIN said:

Descend from the clouds and try and find "reality" yourself.

You first since you're out of touch with it.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

Alright guys, let's calm our tanks down and maintain a peaceful conversation and debate. No need to go out on the aggressive side.

[BruhBruhThingThing 413]

50 minutes ago, NikmanGT said:

Alright guys, let's calm our tanks down and maintain a peaceful conversation and debate. No need to go out on the aggressive side.

Yeah, I probably shouldn't of gone that far. By the way, I got a question regarding this. Will pm you about it shortly.