category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[dinek789 60]

On 1/5/2023 at 8:32 AM, Kimura said:

In a match i get a picture of you from what you use. If you use PALADIN (the most OP hull that makes you borderline invincible for 20 sec) and Vampire Isida (augment that makes you soft-immortal as long as you have energy in your Isida) guess what im going to think of you? i think its obvious. I know not everyone is a camping God but 16/7 K/D with camping? im sorry its just absurd for legend 50+ or whatever he was. Thats barely above 1 kill PER MINUTE. HE WAS CAMPING. Im Legend 103 and i get 60-80 Kills with 0-3 deaths when im camping in full 15 minute battle. he should be getting at least 60% of that at Legend 50+. When you play with flying monkey you instantly prove that you're scared of losing and have absolutely no skill because you rely on something as pathetic as Paladin. But all that aside HE crapped on campers saying they're trash while getting whopping 1 kill/min then comes to forum says that 3 absolutely random turrets are BY FAR THE BEST AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME. Then he gets cooked by like 10 people proving him wrong but he doesn't accept that fact. don't believe me? just read what happened.

You are such a liar. First of all, you were camping the whole game and you barely got 20 kills in a match with players below 6k GS. Secondly, you say I had not enough kills for a camper in 15 minutes, but then you say I used Isida paladin (which is correct). So how the hell am I going to camp 15 minutes when I had isida, and later changed to scorpion when the battle was almost over. It was JGE in stadium, like nobody even played, we won the battle in 8 minutes.

Edited January 5, 2023 by dinek789

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/5/2023 at 10:12 AM, dinek789 said:

You are such a liar. First of all, you were camping the whole game and you barely got 20 kills in a match with players below 6k GS. Secondly, you say I had not enough kills for a camper in 15 minutes, but then you say I used Isida paladin (which is correct). So how the hell am I going to camp 15 minutes when I had isida, and later changed to scorpion when the battle was almost over. It was JGE in stadium, like nobody even played, we won the battle in 8 minutes.

how many times are you gonna do things wrong? 
whatever you camped for like 13+ mins cuz i bullied you into switching from that trash conbo lol.

also i had around 40-50 kills and average GS in that match was like 8000+ and definitely not 6k GS lmao. But hey unlike you i can actually back up my claims so here ya go i found a random screenshot of me playing with "below 6k GS" players.

You know what i used? You guessed it 
Pulsar Tesla (gonna take the L here)
Heavyweight Hunter (i heard its less braindead than paladin)

Trickster drone

Armadillo/Shaft/Scorpion/Gauss protection (i always used those i was too lazy to change)

Now do you think a player that got 1820 score playing against "below 6k GS" is going to randomly get only 20 kills in another "below 6k GS" battle? While using a conbo WAY MORE SUITED for killing? 

[dinek789 60]

On 1/5/2023 at 9:29 AM, Kimura said:

how many times are you gonna do things wrong? 
whatever you camped for like 13+ mins cuz i bullied you into switching from that trash conbo lol.

also i had around 40-50 kills and average GS in that match was like 8000+ and definitely not 6k GS lmao. But hey unlike you i can actually back up my claims so here ya go i found a random screenshot of me playing with "below 6k GS" players.

You know what i used? You guessed it 
Pulsar Tesla (gonna take the L here)
Heavyweight Hunter (i heard its less braindead than paladin)

Trickster drone

Armadillo/Shaft/Scorpion/Gauss protection (i always used those i was too lazy to change)

Now do you think a player that got 1820 score playing against "below 6k GS" is going to randomly get only 20 kills in another "below 6k GS" battle? While using a conbo WAY MORE SUITED for killing? 

How do you die 38 times playing against 15 rank players below you, make it make sense. This is some weird battle that lasted 30 min, wth???'

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/5/2023 at 11:49 AM, dinek789 said:

How the f do you die 38 times playing against 15 rank players below you, make it make sense. This is some weird battle that lasted 30 min, wth???'

oh my Mr. Anticamping sees actual attacking in MM battle. Wonder how many deaths you would have if you attacked enemy base non-stop without legal hacks.

[dinek789 60]

On 1/5/2023 at 11:24 AM, Kimura said:

oh my Mr. Anticamping sees actual attacking in MM battle. Wonder how many deaths you would have if you attacked enemy base non-stop without legal hacks.

Umm, not more than 15-20 that's for sure.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 1/5/2023 at 12:29 AM, Kimura said:

how many times are you gonna do things wrong? 
whatever you camped for like 13+ mins cuz i bullied you into switching from that trash conbo lol.

also i had around 40-50 kills and average GS in that match was like 8000+ and definitely not 6k GS lmao. But hey unlike you i can actually back up my claims so here ya go i found a random screenshot of me playing with "below 6k GS" players.

You know what i used? You guessed it 
Pulsar Tesla (gonna take the L here)
Heavyweight Hunter (i heard its less braindead than paladin)

Trickster drone

Armadillo/Shaft/Scorpion/Gauss protection (i always used those i was too lazy to change)

Now do you think a player that got 1820 score playing against "below 6k GS" is going to randomly get only 20 kills in another "below 6k GS" battle? While using a conbo WAY MORE SUITED for killing? 

Out of curiosity, did you play on mobile here?

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/5/2023 at 10:49 AM, dinek789 said:

How do you die 38 times playing against 15 rank players below you, make it make sense. This is some weird battle that lasted 30 min, wth???'

Probably someone used nuclear energy supply to target the top player with ares over and over again. 

 

That's what was happening in battles when everyone got their 40 nuclear energies from the last challenge. 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/5/2023 at 6:06 PM, PirateSpider said:

Out of curiosity, did you play on mobile here?

Laptop. you can clearly see from UI here.

 

On 1/5/2023 at 6:34 PM, soviet.reunion said:

Probably someone used nuclear energy supply to target the top player with ares over and over again. 

 

That's what was happening in battles when everyone got their 40 nuclear energies from the last challenge. 

No i was using Trickster in a small map while constantly attacking without a second thought. 

I spawn before my spawn prot runs out im already in the enemy base killing everyone. If there was a guy who used nuclear energy to stop me i would just target only him on purpose for fun. already did it once and some dude lost like 30 nuclear energy in 1 battle (completely lost like 20 ODs because i would kill him while he was charging his Ares OD)

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 1/5/2023 at 8:49 AM, Kimura said:

Laptop. you can clearly see from UI here.

Oh yeah you're right. Forgot about the UI difference between the two. My bad.

[avengeful 111]

On 1/5/2023 at 12:29 PM, Kimura said:

what mode was this battle, like everyone has absurd amount of kills :DD, both in your and enemy team

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/5/2023 at 7:33 PM, avengeful said:

what mode was this battle, like everyone has absurd amount of kills :DD, both in your and enemy team

This mode is what Hazel Thinks every MM match is like  It was Rugby super fun because it was war like the second anyone spawned they rushed into enemy base. it was basically ASL hybrid half of the team attacked and another half defended in both teams.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Can we stop pretending that Paladin makes you invincible and impossible to counter? Can we also stop pretending that using certain overpowered equipment is guaranteed to make you win battles? It used to be jovial exaggerations of thier power but now it seems to be a base expectation of their performance. 

There are too many factors that play into whether or not your team wins or you dominate the leaderboard in kills. Equipping Vampire Nanobots doesn't magically make you have an extraordinarily high battle K/D. Equipping Paladin doesn't magically make you win battles or dominate with impunity. Paladin is one of the ten hulls in the garage. Whether it is overpowered or underpowered, it is going to be played in battles. 

 

On 1/5/2023 at 2:06 PM, Kimura said:

This mode is what Hazel Thinks every MM match is like  It was Rugby super fun because it was war like the second anyone spawned they rushed into enemy base. it was basically ASL hybrid half of the team attacked and another half defended in both teams.

Was that map Cologne? That's one of the maps I consider overcrowded and IIRC it was increased from 8 v 8 to 10 v 10 in the last big MM map update they had. 

[AncientFire 1,894]

Idk what ur saying but everytime I lose its cus there are like 3-4 trashladins on the opponent side destroying everyone on my team

they always end with high k/d and always have the most caps in any capture mode

credit to them tho atleast they dont camp in capture modes like 90% of players now

 

also all the battles i've won recently were because of paladins who were hard carrying our team

[LoveDealer 46]

On 1/5/2023 at 4:31 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Can we stop pretending that Paladin makes you invincible and impossible to counter? Can we also stop pretending that using certain overpowered equipment is guaranteed to make you win battles? It used to be jovial exaggerations of thier power but now it seems to be a base expectation of their performance. 

Yeah for real. It has one of the slowest charging OD's out of all the hulls so the OD itself is probably more powerful than others on a standalone basis, but players will get fewer paladin OD's per game vs OD's from other hulls. 

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 1/5/2023 at 4:31 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Can we stop pretending that Paladin makes you invincible and impossible to counter? Can we also stop pretending that using certain overpowered equipment is guaranteed to make you win battles?

It's definitely strong, especially in close combat, but can be taken out by Hoppers and Hunters, as well as long range high damage weapons.

[wolverine848 13,097]

On 1/5/2023 at 2:32 AM, Kimura said:

If you use PALADIN (the most OP hull that makes you borderline invincible for 20 sec) and Vampire Isida (augment that makes you soft-immortal as long as you have energy in your Isida) guess what im going to think of you? i think its obvious. I know not everyone is a camping God but 16/7 K/D with camping? im sorry its just absurd for legend 50+ or whatever he was. Thats barely above 1 kill PER MINUTE. HE WAS CAMPING.

How does one camp with an Isida?   

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 1/5/2023 at 3:19 PM, wolverine848 said:

How does one camp with an Isida?   

Black magic fishy business.

[MaximilliamtheGreat 60]

The game is gradually becoming unplayable, unless you have a tank that flies, that is almost indestructible, that does things that are completely removed from a competitive game. 

Not only the extensive of supplies, powerful drones and all kinds of extra power, the lack of balance is becoming more and more evident. 

I was just facing a ricochet that could fire at enormous speed. I have ricochet protection at its maximum and it was worthless. But then you encounter the same thing with Tesla turret, not to mention a paladin hull with extra power on. That tank plays for several minutes without being destroyed, killing dozens of tanks, even those with extra protection. 

So, "congratulations" to the developers for working so hard to make this game so very much worse than what it used to be. The pro battles are still somewhat fun, but even those are full of problems, specially when tanks are listed in the battles, but they are actually NOT there. Nobody else can enter your team because there is a "ghost tank" taking one of the slots. In any case, pro battles are still a bit more competitive. I hope you guys do not destroy that as well. 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/6/2023 at 1:19 AM, wolverine848 said:

How does one camp with an Isida?   

Guess i need to write everything 5 times for every person here. He was flying monkey with vampire and as we can see from the latest post here its very balanced. then i called him out for being just a paladin loser then he changed into Scorpion/Viking and camped for 13-14 mins. 

Also if you want to camp with Isida just... well... Equip nanobots and heal your allies... not that hard? You can never leave the base.

[wolverine848 13,097]

On 1/6/2023 at 2:38 AM, Kimura said:

Guess i need to write everything 5 times for every person here. He was flying monkey with vampire and as we can see from the latest post here its very balanced. then i called him out for being just a paladin loser then he changed into Scorpion/Viking and camped for 13-14 mins. 

Also if you want to camp with Isida just... well... Equip nanobots and heal your allies... not that hard? You can never leave the base.

The post I quoted DID mention vampire, but did NOT mention scorpion.

And isn't that what scorpion was designed for?

[DragonKnight 414]

Heck no!!!
I want repair kit to counter attack all AP augment users. 
Take this for example...
Enemy gauss EMP user trying to kill me, i go in garage and take EMP immunity. Then this enemy user plays smart and switches to AP augment. The repair is the only way to counter attack so that his allies wont destroy before i get him.

 

This idea would make AP super Overpowered. It will also promote magnum users to take AP augment and camp in battle. Pretty sure i cant handle that 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/7/2023 at 12:48 AM, wolverine848 said:

The post I quoted DID mention vampire, but did NOT mention scorpion.

And isn't that what scorpion was designed for?

You said "How does one camp with an isida" meaning that you have no idea what happened prior that. i explained how he switched into scorpion not that hard to understand?

Yes scorpion is designed for camping. But i would imagine a person who is Legend 61 would do better with EXOTIC SCORPION AUGMENT WHO PRETENDS TO BE THE SUPER EXPERT DATA COLLECTOR OF THIS GAME than whopping ~350 score and 17/6 K/D or whatever it was. He played with scorpion in STADIUM for 13+ Minutes let me remind you.

Edited January 7, 2023 by Kimura
13+ mins yes 13 :O Scorpion + Stadium!! ?!!?

[wolverine848 13,097]

On 1/7/2023 at 2:39 AM, Kimura said:

You said "How does one camp with an isida" meaning that you have no idea what happened prior that. i explained how he switched into scorpion not that hard to understand?

Yes scorpion is designed for camping. But i would imagine a person who is Legend 61 would do better with EXOTIC SCORPION AUGMENT WHO PRETENDS TO BE THE SUPER EXPERT DATA COLLECTOR OF THIS GAME than whopping ~350 score and 17/6 K/D or whatever it was. He played with scorpion in STADIUM for 13+ Minutes let me remind you.

I use what's in the post - I'm not backreading. Don't refer to things not in your current post, and there will be more "understanding".

As for Scorpion - your beef should be with the game.  If the item allows abuses, it's the item, not the player.  We all know TO has a habit of introducing OP equipment - the "flavour-of-the-month" and letting them run amok for a while - see Rail-Overdrive 3 years ago.  Devs didnt touch it until they introduced "augments".

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/7/2023 at 7:13 PM, wolverine848 said:

I use what's in the post - I'm not backreading. Don't refer to things not in your current post, and there will be more "understanding".

As for Scorpion - your beef should be with the game.  If the item allows abuses, it's the item, not the player.  We all know TO has a habit of introducing OP equipment - the "flavour-of-the-month" and letting them run amok for a while - see Rail-Overdrive 3 years ago.  Devs didnt touch it until they introduced "augments".

If 350 score in 13 mins with exotic augment on an OP turret is "abusing" levels for you then you not understanding my posts or whatever should be the least of your concerns lmao

[AwsomeTank 33]

Do i need to say anything?

 

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