category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Sure everyone uses supplies in match-maker battles.

 

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[Pyre 3,485]

OK... The double shot hammer alt. Its OP. I think the reload for the emptied clip needs a major nerf.

[wolverine848 13,097]

If you people have more than 500 batteries, why won't you invest 20,000 crystals into a Mechanic drone huh? It is relatively cheap for high-rank players and it can be really helpful in almost every situation you and your teammate get into.

 

The people I see complaining about having too many batteries but no drones are the ones with more than 100k crystals. I use the Supplier drone when I'm defending and I really help my defenders defend the flag when I use it. 

 

Heck, even the trooper drone can be useful in the right moments. 

 

If you have a poop-tonne of batteries lying around, please don't complain about not having drones, especially if you have more than 120k crystals and are not planning on spending it on anything in particular. 

And how long do you think 500 batteries will last?

 

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You don't?

 

Or... "it goes without saying"?

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

And how long do you think 500 batteries will last?

 

You don't?

 

Or... "it goes without saying"?

I don;t drug, AND that should go without saying.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I don;t drug, AND that should go without saying.

Just finished a bunch of no-supply battles using of all things... Striker.

 

But why handi-cap yourself in Match-Maker.  And if playing team battles, why handi-cap your team?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

And how long do you think 500 batteries will last?

 

 

You don't always have to have the drone enabled in every battle. Only use it in whichever game mode is necessary. I usually use, on average, 10 batteries per battle. And remember, you don't have to have it enabled in every battle. 

 

I tried to keep above 600 batteries. I have 603 at the moment and my new goal is to keep it above 580. Right now, I don't need to worry about how much I have. Everyone has their standards. From what you're saying, 500 batteries will finish very quickly. For me, 500 batteries are more than enough.

 

Use them in moderation.

[x_Sorinel_x 52]

Use them in moderation.

So why waste crystals in a drone if I need to use it in moderation ?

[sezze100 416]

So why waste crystals in a drone if I need to use it in moderation ?

++ but you are legend , so you did get a few batteries together now and should have plenty of equipment . The drone is final piece of equipment only to be used for special occasions . Special occasions is like star weeks where you can use the extra thing the drone gives you to gain a few extra stars .

[mhh.2000 888]

So you use a drone and have the new Striker alteration equipped?

And you have multiple m3 turrets (I counted 5 in your garage - maybe it was 4?) and hulls at marshall

You currently have Premium - possibly from container - hard to tell.

No - that is not a typical Marshall set-up. Especially getting any/more than one combo to 10/20 or better.

 

​count again , I have thunder , striker and smoky M3 only , if you counted twins with them , you're wrong , I hate that turret and I never enjoyed using it and of course regretted buying M2 in the first place , it was a waste of crystals.

​maybe it's not the "typical" setup , but if people knew how to spend their crystals properly , they can achieve such garage with ease , once again I tell you that I have never bought a single crystal from this game , nor a batteries kit .

​6 containers per week can give you enough supplies for the week , no need to buy a thing .

 

You have spent way more crystals on your garage than 80% of the players would at that rank.

The crystals spent will certainly make a difference in battle standings.

 

​regardless of how many M3s I have , I mostly only use 1 combo , I have been using striker for over a month now . never switched to smoky or thunder

 

Sure everyone uses supplies in match-maker battles.

 

Drones... nope.  I saw maybe 2 or 3 drones on enemies in your videos. 

Upgrading the drone and batteries is cost-prohibitive for anyone lower than Legend.

How can you afford the drone upgrades and the batteries? 

You do not get enough free batteries to use a drone.  Even my legend account does not - it has accumulated ~ 1200 batteries since they were introduced. That might last a week.  maybe 2.  Then... drone will sit in garage for months.

 

​I don't use my drone all the time , only in DMs and in team modes when we're crushing the enemy so I can stay alive longer and get a higher score , call it whatever you want .... I wait for discounts to upgrade all of my equipment , and discounts are really frequent nowadays

​1200 ? have you played the WAR ? they gave tons of free containers , if you have you should have farmed at least 1000 batteries from those containers .

 

Yes, your 2 videos demonstrate your point much better than the previous one. 

I am still shocked by the number of enemies who don't turn their turret.

 

​this is not my fault , if people don't know how to play , they simply shouldn't , or they could start a new account and learn how to play from scratch

 

Striker does not need much change... possibly a half second buff on the salvo time (along with small damage nerf per missile), and some kind of vertical auto-aim.

 

​yes auto aim buff and a little bit of damage nerf , the slavo is fine IMO

 

uhhhhh....i see your point about striker not being weak but im fairly sure i've seen hammer duplet's achieve the same, if not more (one thread has a hammer with a KD of 33) and with my isida also on my m3 account. It depends on skill and mostly, protection that people have from your gun. Also, why did you stop playing thunder? just interested

 

oh yes the new hammer alt is extremely powerful as well , but I imagine that they face many more protections than we do , anyhow , I've seen them in battles and I have outperformed them so IDK .

I have stopped playing thunder because of the massive amount of protections against it , it's rendered useless with everyone having 50% protection ..

[wolverine848 13,097]

You don't always have to have the drone enabled in every battle. Only use it in whichever game mode is necessary. I usually use, on average, 10 batteries per battle. And remember, you don't have to have it enabled in every battle. 

 

I tried to keep above 600 batteries. I have 603 at the moment and my new goal is to keep it above 580. Right now, I don't need to worry about how much I have. Everyone has their standards. From what you're saying, 500 batteries will finish very quickly. For me, 500 batteries are more than enough.

 

Use them in moderation.

Batteries last 1 minute each.  battles are 8 minutes.  So at most you would use 8 batteries per battle ;)

 

Spending upwards of 1M crystals to MU a drone you will use in moderation seems... ... extravagant.

 

I may visit the Miner drone as I like the idea of mines that don't disappear when I die.  They will eventually get in kills.

But I hate buying and MU-ing items that never go on sale.

Will have to weigh that against some of the new alterations.

[mhh.2000 888]

Batteries last 1 minute each.  battles are 8 minutes.  So at most you would use 8 batteries per battle ;)

 

Spending upwards of 1M crystals to MU a drone you will use in moderation seems... ... extravagant.

 

I may visit the Miner drone as I like the idea of mines that don't disappear when I die.  They will eventually get in kills.

But I hate buying and MU-ing items that never go on sale.

Will have to weigh that against some of the new alterations.

8 batteries per battle when you're playing 6 battles a day result in 48 batteries used daily , that's a lot indeed , but most of the time you won't be using that much , only heavy buyers can afford such big amounts of crystals.

 

if I got a few crystals to spare why not ? i already have all of my "dream" equipment , I won't be buying any new turrets or hulls (not in the near future) , and I see no reason why I shouldn't invest a few crystals in a drone that I'll occasionally enjoy

 

 

yeah the miner drone seems nice , but I prefer the assault drone more , almost infinite supplies time if you know how to get kills :)

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

8 batteries per battle when you're playing 6 battles a day result in 48 batteries used daily , that's a lot indeed , but most of the time you won't be using that much , only heavy buyers can afford such big amounts of crystals.

 

if I got a few crystals to spare why not ? i already have all of my "dream" equipment , I won't be buying any new turrets or hulls (not in the near future) , and I see no reason why I shouldn't invest a few crystals in a drone that I'll occasionally enjoy

 

 

yeah the miner drone seems nice , but I prefer the assault drone more , almost infinite supplies time if you know how to get kills :)

 

Modules, and MUs on equipment and modules is a huge investment.  Not having a good supply of crystals when that 35%-50% sale drops is a huge missed opportunity.  In today's tanki, you need all the modules, and they need to be closer to 50% than 35%.

 

I don't plan on any more turrets or even hulls for this account.  So while I slowly upgrade everything, I can also try to save for something else.

Whether that is a drone or alteration have not decided.  But if you don't MU that drone it's lost potential.  And that's another source of crystals out the door.

 

My alt account is a Colonel and there's not a chance I spring for drone any time soon.  At least not until batteries get cheaper (= better conversion the the free supply-end) and MUs for drones actually become part of MU sales.

 

I'm a casual player, so the new mission system has put a dent in my income.  I complete the 10-mission one weekly, but the others often take > 1 week, which then becomes 2 weeks because of fixed re-set day.  That's a net loss versus before the update.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Batteries last 1 minute each.  battles are 8 minutes.  So at most you would use 8 batteries per battle ;)

 

Spending upwards of 1M crystals to MU a drone you will use in moderation seems... ... extravagant.

 

I may visit the Miner drone as I like the idea of mines that don't disappear when I die.  They will eventually get in kills.

But I hate buying and MU-ing items that never go on sale.

Will have to weigh that against some of the new alterations.

All of my drones have only 3 upgrades on them The heck, you thought I was gonna invest 1 million crystals into that. Heck no. If they are max levelled then that must mean I have thousands of batteries saved up. 

 

And like I said, I don't use them for every battle I go into. I only use it when it is necessary. You're probably looking at those who have their drones equipped 24/7.

[mhh.2000 888]

Modules, and MUs on equipment and modules is a huge investment.  Not having a good supply of crystals when that 35%-50% sale drops is a huge missed opportunity.  In today's tanki, you need all the modules, and they need to be closer to 50% than 35%.

 

I don't plan on any more turrets or even hulls for this account.  So while I slowly upgrade everything, I can also try to save for something else.

Whether that is a drone or alteration have not decided.  But if you don't MU that drone it's lost potential.  And that's another source of crystals out the door.

 

My alt account is a Colonel and there's not a chance I spring for drone any time soon.  At least not until batteries get cheaper (= better conversion the the free supply-end) and MUs for drones actually become part of MU sales.

 

I'm a casual player, so the new mission system has put a dent in my income.  I complete the 10-mission one weekly, but the others often take > 1 week, which then becomes 2 weeks because of fixed re-set day.  That's a net loss versus before the update.

why would you think that I'm not upgrading my M3 modules ? all of them are near 42% now , and going up with every sale , I'm not worried about crystals since it's easy for me to get them , I'm only worried about batteries

 

yeah doing all 3 missions in 2 accounts is a pain , I really don't like doing those "complete battles in a mode" missions , they take forever to finish , but I'm doing them anyway at the moment , soon I will have other obligations so I might quit using my major account (which by the way has 400k crystals and a fully MUed M2 tank , and guess what , a drone) ...

[Astute_T.O 63]

why would you think that I'm not upgrading my M3 modules ? all of them are near 42% now , and going up with every sale , I'm not worried about crystals since it's easy for me to get them , I'm only worried about batteries

 

yeah doing all 3 missions in 2 accounts is a pain , I really don't like doing those "complete battles in a mode" missions , they take forever to finish , but I'm doing them anyway at the moment , soon I will have other obligations so I might quit using my major account (which by the way has 400k crystals and a fully MUed M2 tank , and guess what , a drone) ...

Just get some containers.

[mhh.2000 888]

Just get some containers.

6 free weekly containers are already enough , I just like piling them instead of opening them .

[enri_chill 265]

OK... The double shot hammer alt. Its OP. I think the reload for the emptied clip needs a major nerf.

I certainly avoid them if at all possible...even in m4 Titan I am on life support after an encounter with one, assuming I even survive :lol:

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

OK... The double shot hammer alt. Its OP. I think the reload for the emptied clip needs a major nerf.

Yeah but that's because the standard version of hammer is too underpowered.

[beni1233 1]

viking is TOO op.

 

no one use wasps and hornets they are totally useless, everyone are using vikings! and now guess what? the rate of users who will use viking will be even Fu**ing increase coz of the OP overdrive.

 

nerf viking acceleration speed PLEASE.

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

 

who said striker was weak ?? come here please

 

when I'm talking about how GREAT striker is , I'm talking about this ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have more but I think these are enough to prove my point :)

Not bad m8.

 

viking is TOO op.

 

no one use wasps and hornets they are totally useless, everyone are using vikings! and now guess what? the rate of users who will use viking will be even *censored* increase coz of the OP overdrive.

 

nerf viking acceleration speed PLEASE.

 

So true m8.

[Guest]

 

viking is TOO op.

 

no one use wasps and hornets they are totally useless, everyone are using vikings! and now guess what? the rate of users who will use viking will be even Fu**ing increase coz of the OP overdrive.

 

nerf viking acceleration speed PLEASE.

 

And thunder and firebird. Smoky too, but only for lower ranks.

[Pyre 3,485]

Yeah but that's because the standard version of hammer is too underpowered.

Maybe, but its balanced with any of the other alts.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

viking is TOO op.

 

no one use wasps and hornets they are totally useless, everyone are using vikings! and now guess what? the rate of users who will use viking will be even Fu**ing increase coz of the OP overdrive.

 

nerf viking acceleration speed PLEASE.

TBH, Viking may appear strong, but it's extremely unstable. Hunter is better than Viking in almost every way now.

 

The extra 0.5 units of speed of Viking is not worth losing the immense 300 units of weight, and the weight is to make sure that you don't miss as often due to being hit in the corners.

 

Besides, Viking may have an OD that increases the firing rate, but hunter has the OD that can disable it, put its supplies on cool down, and stop it in its tracks.

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

Alright here are some ideas:

 

Tired of dealing less damage to enemy tanks when they have defence against your turret? From now on, you and enemy tanks can only use a protection module based on what turret they are equipping (Mine protection can be equip with any turrets as an exception) and that includes Vulcan. 

 

For example: A Shafter can only use its defence and Mine protection. Same story with Vulcan, you can only use Vulcan and mine defence. Its overheating damage though will get nerfed.

 

^

Although for restricted module combination choices, modules' cost and upgrade will get reverted to pre-Drone update. Anyone purchased and upgraded after the Drone update, you will get a portion of crystals back.

 

For example: I only purchased M3 Shaft defence at post-Drone update and fully upgraded to M4. If the module cost get reverted, then I will get 350020 crystals as a compensation.

 

For players purchased and upgraded before the skyrocketed price version, it is a HUGE bargain, getting those crystals for FREE! Take note that crystals spent on speed-up will not be accounted, since the refund is more than enough.

 

Drones. For god sake AlternativaPlatform, they have to go. I don't want to see someone re/spawn will full drugs active. And I have to use my precious Double Power for my Shaft to kill. Why????!!!!! For this, you will receive a full refund on drones and batteries you have purchased. Again, speed-up expenses will not be accounted.

 

Product Kit: Now when you have a fully micro-upgraded garage setup and bought a product kit, you will receive crystals back. And have a choice what you do not want when purchasing.  A fully micro-upgraded Shaft M2, Hornet M2 and M2 Eagle would cost....

 

231,300+225,050+250,000= 706,050. 

 

When purchasing Centaur kit and not purchasing Mars paint, you will get 388,328 crystals back!

 

Last but not least: Drugging. I find it ironic when Alternativa want to bring game balance by balancing weapons and introduced matchmaking. But they encouraged drugging and stuff.

 

Like/dislike plz. And suggestions are useful too.

TBH, Viking may appear strong, but it's extremely unstable. Hunter is better than Viking in almost every way now.

The extra 0.5 units of speed of Viking is not worth losing the immense 300 units of weight, and the weight is to make sure that you don't miss as often due to being hit in the corners.

Besides, Viking may have an OD that increases the firing rate, but hunter has the OD that can disable it, put its supplies on cool down, and stop it in its tracks.

Yep. The only way to counter a Viking is use Hunter's OD and.... use Viking yourself.

Edited December 3, 2018 by FrozenRailgun

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

 

Alright here are some ideas:

 

Tired of dealing less damage to enemy tanks when they have defence against your turret? From now on, you and enemy tanks can only use a protection module based on what turret they are equipping (Mine protection can be equip with any turrets as an exception) and that includes Vulcan. 

 

For example: A Shafter can only use its defence and Mine protection. Same story with Vulcan, you can only use Vulcan and mine defence. Its overheating damage though will get nerfed.

 

^

Although for restricted module combination choices, modules' cost and upgrade will get reverted to pre-Drone update. Anyone purchased and upgraded after the Drone update, you will get a portion of crystals back.

 

For example: I only purchased M3 Shaft defence at post-Drone update and fully upgraded to M4. If the module cost get reverted, then I will get 350020 crystals as a compensation.

 

For players purchased and upgraded before the skyrocketed price version, it is a HUGE bargain, getting those crystals for FREE! Take note that crystals spent on speed-up will not be accounted, since the refund is more than enough.

 

Drones. For god sake AlternativaPlatform, they have to go. I don't want to see someone re/spawn will full drugs active. And I have to use my precious Double Power for my Shaft to kill. Why????!!!!! For this, you will receive a full refund on drones and batteries you have purchased. Again, speed-up expenses will not be accounted.

 

Product Kit: Now when you have a fully micro-upgraded garage setup and bought a product kit, you will receive crystals back. And have a choice what you do not want when purchasing.  A fully micro-upgraded Shaft M2, Hornet M2 and M2 Eagle would cost....

 

231,300+225,050+250,000= 706,050. [/size][/size]

 

When purchasing Centaur kit and not purchasing Mars paint, you will get 388,328 crystals back![/size][/size]

 

Last but not least: Drugging. I find it ironic when Alternativa want to bring game balance by balancing weapons and introduced matchmaking. But they encouraged drugging and stuff.[/size][/size]

 

Like/dislike plz. And suggestions are useful too.

 

Yep. The only way to counter a Viking is use Hunter's OD and.... use Viking yourself.

 

 

You can counter Viking by shooting at one of its corners. Viking is so light that even a wasp can push it without any problems at all.

 

If you were at my rank, you would understand how and why.