category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[fire_shoter 555]

9 minutes ago, Warpriest said:

Holy cow, @stat.padder. I keep thinking how do you managed to get the 32.4k XP per hour from @fire_shoter. Then I realized you just do

XP gained by Vulcan / total play time of Vulcan

 

And you are trying to say fire_shoter is more active because of this? For god sake, who did Maths like this? There are so many factors you have ignored completely.

Now I struggle to understand how do you get 20k XP per hour from me, since the same formula doesn't give me the same result.

Bruh, check again, 6m points with magnum, 3m with thunder, I only collected 22% of my total points with vulcan. 

But your profile are only vulcan points, just like a bot. Hold my mouse key and spam crisis. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by fire_shoter

[Cleric 1,385]

6 minutes ago, fire_shoter said:

Bruh, check again, 6m points eith magnum, 3m with thunder, I only collected less than 1/4 of my total points with vulcan. 

I do notice that.

 

He was trying to calculate XP gain per hour. So it doesn't matter how may XP you get for other turrets because you have longer playtime on that particular turret as well.

e.g.

Thunder: 3080763 / 460 = 6.6k XP/hr

Magnum: 5931540 / 260 = 22.8k XP/hr

 

Only the stats of your Vulcan matches his claim of 32.8 XP/hr.

 

But even that, using it as a indication of deciding whether a player is active or not is just misleading.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Warpriest

[fire_shoter 555]

2 minutes ago, Warpriest said:

He was trying to calculate XP gain per hour. So it doesn't matter how may XP you get for other turrets because you have longer playtime as well.

e.g.

Thunder: 3080763 / 460 = 6.6k XP/hr

Magnum: 5931540 / 260 = 22.8k XP/hr

 

Only the stats of your Vulcan matches his claim of 32.8 XP/hr

Haha most of thunder points and hours are back from 2015,2016. 

+ I am playing with magnum when there is no boost too, coz it is my fav weapon. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by fire_shoter

[Cleric 1,385]

Just now, fire_shoter said:

Haha most of thunder points and hours are back from 2015,2016. 

Yeah I know. That's why I said it is misleading. Because the profile says nothing about when the XP is gained

[stat.padder 225]

16 minutes ago, Warpriest said:

Holy cow, @stat.padder. I keep thinking how do you managed to get the 32.4k XP per hour from @fire_shoter. Then I realized you just do

XP gained from Vulcan / total play time of Vulcan

 

And you are trying to say fire_shoter is more active because of this? For god sake, who did Maths like this? There are so many factors that can greatly affect the result you have decided to ignore ompletely.

Now I struggle to understand how do you get 20k XP per hour from me, since the same formula doesn't give me the same result.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings by offering you optimistic estimate. 12875 exp/hour is what you do with vulcan. I have seen shaft campers with more than that, not that I say that means something necessarily, but I would personally rather have someone similar to fire_shoter in my team than you.

 

Exp. can be misleading, but there are ways to approximate. I am sure crusader and paladin were not added in 2015/16 so I just check that.

Edited March 20, 2022 by stat.padder

[Cleric 1,385]

Just now, stat.padder said:

Sorry if I hurt your feelings by offering you optimistic estimate. 12875 exp/hour is what you do with vulcan. I have seen shaft campers with more than that, not that I say that means something necessarily, but I would personally rather have someone similar to fire_shoter in my team than you.

Yeah, and as we have discussed, you have decided to ignore all other factors that have a great impact on XP gain, such as

• the XP gain has changed multiple time during the course of the game
• multiple limited time events with double XP
• players who may or may not get premium from container from time to time
• Much more...

This makes XP/hr an extremely misleading stats to determinate whether a player is active or not.

 

BTW, I'm still curious even though you properly messed up the Math again, how do you managed to get that 20k XP/hr from my profile?

[fire_shoter 555]

@Warpriest Why dont u max some other turret so that u can switch when you see whole other team taking vulcan protection. ( shaft healing emiters is perfect for big scores and huge crystals, gauss emp and ap, striker (every augment of striker is nice) smoky too)

If you have any of these would be good to max any of them so that you can change during battle. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by fire_shoter

[Cleric 1,385]

2 minutes ago, fire_shoter said:

@Warpriest Why dont u max some other turret so that u can switch when you see whole other team taking vulcan protection. ( shaft healing emiters is perfect for big scores and huge crystals, gauss emp and ap, striker (every augment of striker is nice) smoky too)

If you have any of these wpuld be good to max any of them so that you can change during battle. 

Well there are a few reasons.

1. I like Vulcan and properly Vulcan only. Twins is close though
2. I'm using Crisis. It is extremely drug hungry, making me unable to earn anything as soon as I start playing MM.

Speaking of healing Shaft, I do have that. Any recommendation on the hull? 

Edited March 20, 2022 by Warpriest

[NikmanGT 4,362]

3 minutes ago, Warpriest said:

Speaking of healing Shaft, I do have that. Any recommendation on the hull? 

Dictator or crusader/paladin

[fire_shoter 555]

1 minute ago, Warpriest said:

Well there are a few reasons.

1. I like Vulcan and properly Vulcan only. Twins is close though
2. I'm using Crisis. It is extremely drug hungry, making me unable to earn anything as soon as I start playing MM.

Speaking of healing Shaft, I do have that. Any recommendation on the hull? 

I use shaft healing emiters with ares. Perfect for quick scope killing, hella fun. 

You would also be able to heal like crazy with +60% with crisis. 

Paladin is also nice option paired with shaft healing emiters. 

Crusader is kinda unstable, so my suggestion is ares or paladin. 

[stat.padder 225]

16 minutes ago, Warpriest said:

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This makes XP/hr an extremely misleading stats to determinate whether a player is active or not.

 

BTW, I'm still curious even though you properly messed up the Math again, how do you managed to get that 20k XP/hr from my profile?

That's crazy, right? It's almost like gave you benefit of a doubt in regard to your actual vulcan exp/hour, went ahead and simply picked better looking one which can be seen when I look at your crusader and paladin.

 

You obviously do not get difference when something is relative and absolute. I said exp/hour doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's hard to overlook it when I see someone calling himself too good, arguing with almost everyone and telling someone he is not match for a bot, when that guy seems to be genuinely good/annoying, I mean fire_shoter.

Edited March 20, 2022 by stat.padder

[Cleric 1,385]

4 minutes ago, stat.padder said:

That's crazy, right? It's almost like gave you benefit of a doubt in regard to your actual vulcan exp/hour, went ahead and simply picked better looking one which can be seen when I look at your crusader and paladin.

 

You obviously do not get difference when something is relative and absolute. I said exp/hour doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it's hard to overlook it when I see someone calling himself too good, arguing with almost everyone and telling someone he is not match for a bot, when that guy seems to be genuinely good/annoying, I mean fire_shoter.

So you get that 20k XP/hr thing by looking at my Crusader and Paladin stats? And you compared that against the Vulcan stats of fire_shoter? Interesting. Well, let's not discuss whether the XP/hr metrics actually mean anything, you are not even comparing apple to apple, so what are you trying to do here?  I seem to have overestimate your intelligence because I thought any ordinary person should at least know you have to compare the same thing for the comparison to be meaningful. 

 

I mean, you were hold an apple in your right hand and an orange on your left and say "Hey, they are different". Seriously?

[Cleric 1,385]

@stat.padder To conclude your so call "evaluation [edited]

1. It is debatable whether XP/hr actually mean anything, similar to how some players don't care about K/D.
2. There are many ways to affect XP gain, and you  decided to ignore all of them.
3. You were comparing apple to orange. Vulcan XP gain to Crusader XP gain.
4. You were trying to evaluate players as a whole while you decided to compare one and only one factor only.
5. You have made the wrong assumption right from the beginning. I don't always have premium on me and you know nothing about whether fire_shoter had premium previously.

 

BTW, let me quote the entire "bot" conversation since you apparently only read a part of it. 

14 hours ago, fire_shoter said:

Lol another vulcan bot. Why dont you try thunder and then you are going to see what is the weakest weapon in a game.

 

9 hours ago, Warpriest said:

Yeah, and this "bot" managed to beat you. Guess you are no match to a bot then?

 

[Dopamine 2,161]

Guys let's stop this back and forth, regardless of your opinion of the other person.

Sometimes it is better to just agree to disagree and move on.

[wolverine848 13,097]

12 hours ago, Warpriest said:

Also one thing @wolverine848, you know there are many flaws in this game, countless, in fact. And you know the Devs are unlikely to change the way players are hoping for. 

If you have given up of saying about it, because you know the Devs will do nothing about it, the choice is yours. And I respect that.

Yet, I chose to talk about it, or cry about it in your vocabulary, as soon as the flaws exist and I want you at least give me the minimal respect as a human being.

Of course there's plenty of issues with TO.  I have tons of posts wrt that.

But you are barking up the wrong tree with this subject.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

42 minutes ago, Poppy said:

I think this post is more suitable for Game Discussion

What else do you think is the cheapest Alternative for durability (could be anything drone, turret, module) etc. for low ranks other than brutus?

 

[Fuchsia 109]

Do you think the buff to the freezing effect of disabling damage-boosting supplies and equipment makes freeze, freezing overdrives, freezing augments, and freeze immunity more popular? Do you think it won't spike their popularity? If you didn't have any freezing equipment or freeze immunity, would you purchase them purely because of this change?

 

p.s. I wasn't playing in December when the change was implemented, so if you already see an increase in popularity, let me know.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Fuchsia

[cool12345 123]

So you paid $200 for your "Flying Tank".   You must be a really good Tanker!  

[PEW_PEW_YO_MOMMA 93]

Rawr brutus cos im poor with DD

[PEW_PEW_YO_MOMMA 93]

Question: I saw a field marshall player with 1 mk7 turret and the turret experience it has is 1 Million, same with the hull How is that possible?

guys name is FutureBoy

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

6 minutes ago, PEW_PEW_YO_MOMMA said:

How is that possible?

You simply play with those equipment and those equipment only. Players are free to choose which turret they would like to use at any time. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by TheCongoSpider

[Fuchsia 109]

On 3/22/2022 at 3:51 PM, Fuchsia said:

Do you think the buff to the freezing effect of disabling damage-boosting supplies and equipment makes freeze, freezing overdrives, freezing augments, and freeze immunity more popular? Do you think it won't spike their popularity? If you didn't have any freezing equipment or freeze immunity, would you purchase them purely because of this change?

 

p.s. I wasn't playing in December when the change was implemented, so if you already see an increase in popularity, let me know.

pinging my post 'cause I'm really curious of what you think

[Dopamine 2,161]

1 hour ago, Fuchsia said:

pinging my post 'cause I'm really curious of what you think

The freezing effect is really quite strong now, but I don't buy immunities by principle. It's much more worth it to wait when your preferred immu comes to a battle pass or also you can get a lucky drop from containers from time to time.

[Fuchsia 109]

4 minutes ago, frederik123456 said:

The freezing effect is really quite strong now, but I don't buy immunities by principle. It's much more worth it to wait when your preferred immu comes to a battle pass or also you can get a lucky drop from containers from time to time.

I assume there've been battle pass repeats of augments? What happens if you already own the augment that's present in the current battle pass? is it an empty slot? does it change to an unobtained augment?

[Dopamine 2,161]

3 minutes ago, Fuchsia said:

I assume there've been battle pass repeats of augments? What happens if you already own the augment that's present in the current battle pass? is it an empty slot? does it change to an unobtained augment?

If you already own an item from BP you don't get any substitution reward unfortunately, so yeah, it is an empty slot essentially.

You always have to decide for yourself if the current BP is worth buying, but recently skins have got a comeback to BP as a final step reward if you haven't noticed, so that might be an enticement to buy it in an of itself for some.