Literally Unplayable: New RFM Shaft-Hornet Meta

[fire199 267]

5 minutes ago, BloodPressure said:

Chasing and catching golds and ignoring the goal of the battle is ones individual choice, making an agreement or rule that no one should fire during a gold drop is nonsensical and ridiculous.    I see it as an advantage when people ignore gameplay when they hear the air alarm, killing unaware tankers is a smart tactic I regularly use and it is very effective. Start blaming me for destroying your potential catches and being angry with me, but in the end it is I who rises above everyone else on the leaderboard and gets the highest battlefund.
I am not saying I only enjoy destroying other players during golds (because I do), from time to time I might take a chance to take a gold box, but in the end it is all about kill-farming for me. Next gold event, if I see you in a battle, I will make sure I keep my crosshair focused especially on you (nothing personal)

Also, as @mjmj5558 already said, Amagi is a skilled Shaft-user, he regularly uses Light Capacitors and is quite successful doing so. Due to Shaft's buff, he has switched to using Rapid Fire Mode more often, simply because it makes exp-farming more efficient, mostly due to these bonuses. I have done the same, using RFM gives me much more exp - even though it is extremely overpowered which I am not fond of, it does works I guess. I try not to make a habit out of it, but for the time being I will be on a kill-streak 

the goal of the battle? what is the goal to get kills im pre sure the majority of player go into a "GOLD" event battle for "GOLDS"  not for kills if they went for kills do you think they will be going in with wasps haha? the point of gold events is for gold mate looks to me like you are similar to him as you seem to be defending him which is sad.

do you really want to turn Gold events into a FFA where everyone uses defender and just kills each other you wont find any unfortunate tankers they will eventually get sick of dieing to players like you and get back at you. gl comming first haha you will get average kills. if more and more people like you focus on just killing watch how they will stop using wasps and play hard just like how parkour battles turn out haha  

 

oh dw im soon gonna be at 9999 GS if i encounter agami or you since now i know you just kill ill make sure you dont get first  and just use protections from ur turret and just focus on killing you as thats what i did for agami 

 

i literally told the other golds hunters in battle to help me kill him and they actually listened as it wasn't just me who was sick of him so yea if i see you ill ask the other gold hunter to help me kill you  im pre sure in 1 battle he just ran haha when he saw me 

tankers like him  bring unwanted attention now theres ppl like me who have their cross hairs on him in every match. 

 

ill say it again theres no skill in a gold event match. if i wanted to i can come first an i have with min drugging and no drone but since im not a buyer and i don't have premium the most i get is 1k so for me its more beneficial to try catch 1-2 golds per match. OFC if i had premium i would go for kills as that would be more profitable but im not a buyer like the majority of the gold hunters we are FTP and its players like you who ruin it for us from getting Crystals. 

 

[fire199 267]

17 minutes ago, BloodPressure said:

Technically, you have more chances of taking gold boxes when you kill other players. If I am trying to catch a gold, I am filtering and see what tankers are weak (or even (too) strong), aren't paying attention, or are already damaged - and then kill them. 

It would be interesting to see a huge kill-manifest among players when a gold drops. But I would probably be waiting around a corner till it is silent or I will kill the next tanker attempting to take the box... because it is fun to do so 

im talking about when both tankers dont even know where the spot is  and also that will only work once, nearly every tanker will get mad you killed them when the gold spot is nowhere in sight and next time they see they will fire back. 

 

it might work with kids but not crazed gold hunters like me haha if you kill me right as i spawn and im pacifically trying to to find gold spot. i wont hesitate to fire if i see you next time since i know pretty fast who a hunter and whos a killer as in whos just going for kills. 

 

i literally just press tab and see whos comming first and then start killing them.

 

and yes you have  more of a chance if you start killing tankers as gold drops.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

38 minutes ago, fire199 said:

i didn't say you cant kill, i kill too but when gold is falling i dont spawn kill or focus on killing as that ruins my chances of catching it i go straight for the gold spot or try search for the gold spot. i hope you arent like how i described him 

ovb i kill when no golds are falling or when players are near gold.

The only gold boxes I'd be willing to catch are containers or the special kinds that give out extra crystals.

The normal 1k golds just isn't worth fighting over IMO.

[Blutaar 1,904]

15 minutes ago, fire199 said:

the goal of the battle? what is the goal to get kills im pre sure the majority of player go into a "GOLD" event battle for "GOLDS"  not for kills if they went for kills do you think they will be going in with wasps haha? the point of gold events is for gold mate looks to me like you are similar to him as you seem to be defending him which is sad.

do you really want to turn Gold events into a FFA where everyone uses defender and just kills each other you wont find any unfortunate tankers they will eventually get sick of dieing to players like you and get back at you. gl comming first haha you will get average kills. if more and more people like you focus on just killing watch how they will stop using wasps and play hard just like how parkour battles turn out haha  

 

oh dw im soon gonna be at 9999 GS if i encounter agami or you since now i know you just kill ill make sure you dont get first  and just use protections from ur turret and just focus on killing you as thats what i did for agami 

 

i literally told the other golds hunters in battle to help me kill him and they actually listened as it wasn't just me who was sick of him so yea if i see you ill ask the other gold hunter to help me kill you  im pre sure in 1 battle he just ran haha when he saw me 

tankers like him  bring unwanted attention now theres ppl like me who have their cross hairs on him in every match. 

 

ill say it again theres no skill in a gold event match. if i wanted to i can come first an i have with min drugging and no drone but since im not a buyer and i don't have premium the most i get is 1k so for me its more beneficial to try catch 1-2 golds per match. OFC if i had premium i would go for kills as that would be more profitable but im not a buyer like the majority of the gold hunters we are FTP and its players like you who ruin it for us from getting Crystals. 

 

If I am not mistaken, the general gamemode for such events is Deathmatch, therefore the main goal of the battle is killing your enemies. Golds are just a bonus, always have been. Most people are going crazy on it, I not necessarily. This is my view on such events I am discussing here and I have my own pleasures with such events, I am not defending anyone here - perhaps you could say I share a similar mindset with Amagi, but I don't think he needs me to emphasize his view. 

I would be glad to see you in game :] But if you intend to kill me, there is little to no time to catch a gold box at the same time. 

It doesn't come as a surprise that other detest the thought of being interrupted while gold-hunting, I think only a small group of players don't really care about golds. I don't care about attention, neither do I care if people hate me for killing. Such gold-events bring several aspects into gameplay and I am happy to make use of them in my own way. 

I don't reckon saying this is about skill, but I do find it clever to make use of those situation. 

 

Reacting to @DieselPlatinum's comment, I find 1000 crystals not worth fighting for as well. Most of these certain events have a duration of only a couple of days, in which the average players might manage to get some tens of thousands of crystals, perhaps 10k-20k, which I do not consider crazy. Containers are considerable, but most rewards aren't astounding anyways

Edited June 22, 2020 by BloodPressure

[fire199 267]

 

7 minutes ago, BloodPressure said:

If I am not mistaken, the general gamemode for such events is Deathmatch, therefore the main goal of the battle is killing your enemies. Golds are just a bonus, always have been. Most people are going crazy on it, I not necessarily. This is my view on such events I am discussing here and I have my own pleasures with such events, I am not defending anyone here - perhaps you could say I share a similar mindset with Amagi, but I don't think he needs me to emphasize his view. 

I would be glad to see you in game :] But if you intend to kill me, there is little to no time to catch a gold box at the same time. 

It doesn't come as a surprise that other detest the thought of being interrupted while gold-hunting, I think only a small group of players don't really care about golds. I don't care about attention, neither do I care if people hate me for killing. Such gold-events bring several aspects into gameplay and I am happy to make use of them in my own way. 

I don't reckon saying this is about skill, but I do find it clever to make use of those situation.

your not mistaken the mode is DM as obviously you need a game mode to play in the first place but what is the incentive i wonder oh yea thats right Golds! 

therefore the main reason why ppl enter is for Golds yea again just like you said "only a small group of players don't really care about golds." therefore their/ your incentive to enter the battle is to kill but the majority of people enter for golds thus the goal for the majority is to catch golds not kills.  

I would be glad to see you in game :] But if you intend to kill me, there is little to no time to catch a gold box at the same time. -- yep exactly i rather ruin your time than catch golds we both loose well thats all i can do and also spread the word to be on the lookout for you just like i did for agami but hey i havent versed you yet i wont be that harsh you might just be weak who knows but yea if you get on my nerves then ill have to remember your name tell my fellow golds hunters to be on the lookout.

im only hunting against and bringing attention to him as hes made me miss alot of golds/containers so it very easy to get ppl on my side to help kill him as its not just me who dosnt like him.  

 

"I don't reckon saying this is about skill, but I do find it clever to make use of those situation."-- thank you i really hate it when people credit people to be skillful when when they really arent

 

im not hating on you like i said if i had premium i would be killing  just like amagi as its more profitable but hes hindering my ability to get crystals so i must do everything i can to stop him, just like how amagi does everything he can to get kills. 

 

[alkyng 3,080]

2 hours ago, asem.harbi said:

Tanki developers do you think this is really what shaft should be...

https://i.imgur.com/sFJceiG.mp4

in first launch of shaft it was OP because its shots were extremely powerful and it was hard to use because it's super slow 

then they nerfed it in the big balance, and speed up it something

now with RFM alt, they make it back OP with very high quick shots and make it opposite of first launch totally that makes you can't say that is shaft

Tanki developers seem like, ooh we have nerfed aiming shot damage, and make it can shot quickly shots, so we balanced it.

like if they didn't realize that players basically will ignore snipping mode and will only play with arcade shots.

[Blutaar 1,904]

4 minutes ago, fire199 said:

 

your not mistaken the mode is DM as obviously you need a game mode to play in the first place but what is the incentive i wonder oh yea thats right Golds! 

therefore the main reason why ppl enter is for Golds yea again just like you said "only a small group of players don't really care about golds." therefore their/ your incentive to enter the battle is to kill but the majority of people enter for golds thus the goal for the majority is to catch golds not kills.  

I would be glad to see you in game :] But if you intend to kill me, there is little to no time to catch a gold box at the same time. -- yep exactly i rather ruin your time than catch golds we both loose well thats all i can do and also spread the word to be on the lookout for you just like i did for agami but hey i havent versed you yet i wont be that harsh you might just be weak who knows but yea if you get on my nerves then ill have to remember your name tell my fellow golds hunters to be on the lookout.

im only hunting against and bringing attention to him as hes made me miss alot of golds/containers so it very easy to get ppl on my side to help kill him as its not just me who dosnt like him.  

 

"I don't reckon saying this is about skill, but I do find it clever to make use of those situation."-- thank you i really hate it when people credit people to be skillful when when they really arent

 

im not hating on you like i said if i had premium i would be killing  just like amagi as its more profitable but hes hindering my ability to get crystals so i must do everything i can to stop him, just like how amagi does everything he can to get kills. 

 

I am not having any disgust towards you either, I am teasing a little bit to be honest, hehe. I am also honest if I say that I am on a huge killing-spree the whole time, gold bonuses are actually a nice addition to gameplay which I enjoy too. However I do kill people if I feel like it or if my position is not favorable, but it is no hard feelings. 

Also, I am going to be rather busy with my studies and research so chances are that I wont partake in such events anyways, leave alone meeting you in battle. But if the time comes; may the strongest tanker win  

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

1 hour ago, fire199 said:

When I do see him in battles I take Eagle module and try kill him.

While Eagle module is obsolete when facing against OD, the module itself can stall him and buying you some time because he need to spend more time attacking, thus delaying the OD charge.

If Amagi uses Defender, I'm going to chain-mug him using LC and Radar.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Golds are just a bonus.  Anyone complains about being killed during a gold-drop is a whiner.

One falls in my lap - obviously claim it.  Otherwise... cap a flag or use the opportunity to get extra kills.

[cosmic666 1,055]

23 hours ago, Azonyx said:

It seems there was a ninja "BaLaNcE" patch last Thursday which I only became painfully aware of when slugging it out in MM battles today. I noticed an unnaturally high number of Shafts out and about, mostly with RFM, Hornet, and Defender / Booster. Huh, must be just MMS shenanigans again, I thought.

Boy, was I wrong. Not only did it seem to fire much faster than before, they seemed to be taking sniped shots like they were playing with LCs! Even with my EMP Gauss / Hornet OD / Defender, these guys effectively spawnlocked me the whole game. They deleted me in the blink of an eye if I got within 60m of them, and sniped me dead before I could even strip their supplies with the charged shot! Even then, I'm still dead because my Hornet is eating 3300 unmitigated damage no matter what because of their OD. The only way I could fight back was to play stealthy and catch them by surprise... that is, if I could get out of my base before they locked it down with their absurdly fast-charging Hornet ODs. Luckily they had no EMP protection so I could at least slow them down, but if they did, they would virtually be little Godmode_ONs.

I thought Vulcan and Gauss was bad, but this is a whole 'nother world of evil. This new meta is almost perfectly capable of murdering anybody at any range, only limited by how many tanks it engages with at once. For the love of god, something ought to be done with either RFM or Hornet OD at the very least!

Think you will find its the overdrive of hornet that is the real problem.

[cosmic666 1,055]

22 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

I hate the fact they keep making balance changes look like their not important at all when they really are.

 

They make useless things like chat readability and status effects seem like the most important change in TO history, but the harsh nerf hunter got, the nerf on Vulcan, the buff to shaft and RFM, and moving all adrenaline alts to be obtainable by spending crystals are only found in the patch notes.

So it's up to us responsible and switched on players to alert all concerned about the cloak and dagger approach the devs adopt when it suits their nefarious scheming ways. I believe at least half the tanki devs are ex KGB. 

[cosmic666 1,055]

15 hours ago, F41TH said:

Same. Hornet's aren't much of a bother. But people feel it's OP.

I would like to see how many times you can actually challenge a mag/hornet player,and come away with a kill when their overdrive is activated. Im guessing a 1/5 chance if said player is blind, has no keyboard, and loses his internet connection all at the same time.  

[cosmic666 1,055]

14 hours ago, sensei_tanker said:

 If you just spawn into a mob of players with any hull's OD, you will be dead. People dislike Hornet's OD because they feel as though they have been unfairly killed, especially given your double armor and 50% module gets nullified, leaving you completely vulnerable to a x2 power attack. Literally Hornet OD is just a radar (not that powerful) and an unchallenged double power. That is all. Just imagine when you need smart cooldowns after spamming drugs, and you are completely vulnerable to an enemy's double power since you can't counterdrug. It's literally the same thing.

 

Viking OD will also completely devastate your tank's defenses, regardless of paint and module. If you spawned in a horde of Viking ODs, you would be dead as well.  Same goes to Dictator OD, where only 1 Dictator is needed to give the entire enemy team all drugs, an instant heal, and a minefield. Titan OD in your base also means you are toast. 

 

I want to also point out that Hornet is the weakest hull in the game if ODs aren't considered. Weakest defense, and less speed than wasp means there are a lot of better alternatives. The only reasonable nerf to Hornet OD is to slow down its charge up rate and not give the entire enemy team radar. 

 

I'm not quite sure how someone can get it so breathtakingly wrong, but you just did.HORNET'S overdrive is mega OTT, as for viking that can be countered by defender drone maxed out as long as you also have 50% possibly 40% against whatever turret it is paired with. I no you where stating being surrounded by a host of enemy players, and if that's the case then basically your toast regardless of any alt you have. And also what other hull can obliterate 3/4 enemy at once and suffer no self damage.

Edited June 22, 2020 by cosmic666
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[cosmic666 1,055]

3 hours ago, fire199 said:

the goal of the battle? what is the goal to get kills im pre sure the majority of player go into a "GOLD" event battle for "GOLDS"  not for kills if they went for kills do you think they will be going in with wasps haha? the point of gold events is for gold mate looks to me like you are similar to him as you seem to be defending him which is sad.

do you really want to turn Gold events into a FFA where everyone uses defender and just kills each other you wont find any unfortunate tankers they will eventually get sick of dieing to players like you and get back at you. gl comming first haha you will get average kills. if more and more people like you focus on just killing watch how they will stop using wasps and play hard just like how parkour battles turn out haha  

 

oh dw im soon gonna be at 9999 GS if i encounter agami or you since now i know you just kill ill make sure you dont get first  and just use protections from ur turret and just focus on killing you as thats what i did for agami 

 

i literally told the other golds hunters in battle to help me kill him and they actually listened as it wasn't just me who was sick of him so yea if i see you ill ask the other gold hunter to help me kill you  im pre sure in 1 battle he just ran haha when he saw me 

tankers like him  bring unwanted attention now theres ppl like me who have their cross hairs on him in every match. 

 

ill say it again theres no skill in a gold event match. if i wanted to i can come first an i have with min drugging and no drone but since im not a buyer and i don't have premium the most i get is 1k so for me its more beneficial to try catch 1-2 golds per match. OFC if i had premium i would go for kills as that would be more profitable but im not a buyer like the majority of the gold hunters we are FTP and its players like you who ruin it for us from getting Crystals. 

 

You no what im gonna agree with you on this one, in gold events going for the gold is fun.Now i personally do not take part in these events as i see them only for the f2p players like you said are the little kiddies to try and get a few cry in the kitty. But in normal MM i kill any going for gold are i concentrate on going for enemy flag when the rest of the players (i use the word players loosely) are mixing it up trying to get the gb.  

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

9 hours ago, yasgfgfffgf said:

how do u mean?

The Shafts are reloading faster than they should be after the buff. The time it takes to fully reload after the sniping shot indicates a 66% increase in the recovery rate and not a 40% increase, hence it is overbuffed. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

21 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

After some thinking, they were probably referring to a 40% decrease in reload time. Makes sense, no?

It's the same thing. 

21 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

To an extent, HCs did, too...

They all did, but LC will now be more practical than HC (in terms of gaining score) after this buff. To shoot 3 max-charged HC shots will take 24 seconds while with LC you can get 5 shots and have 2/3 of your energy recovered in that time. The gap will keep increasing the longer the Shafts stay alive. 
 

It's like Scout Railgun vs LCR Railgun. Which do you think is more destructive with Hornet's Overdrive and DD? Scout's damage output will be higher than LCR and LCR is punished more than Scout for missing a shot. Moreoever, LCR has a chance to not one-shot a medium hull. Two shots with the minimum damage of a Scout Railgun is enough to 2-shot a medium hull. So it does not matter if the Scout Railgun gets continuous unlucky shots. 

[yasgfgfffgf 282]

now shaft maybe a bit OP but back in 2014 it was realy UP for a long time and then on top of that the laser was added and we the shaft users did not complaint about it. that shaft is so strong now doesnt help (me) sometimes but makes it even worse 

Edited June 23, 2020 by yasgfgfffgf

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

5 minutes ago, yasgfgfffgf said:

now shaft maybe a bit OP but back in 2014 it was realy UP for a long time and then on top of that the laser was added and we the shaft users did not complaint about it. that shaft is so strong now doesnt help (me) sometimes but makes it even worse 

How does it make your situation worse if Shaft is strong now? Shouldn't it make it better? 

[fire199 267]

10 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Golds are just a bonus.  Anyone complains about being killed during a gold-drop is a whiner.

One falls in my lap - obviously claim it.  Otherwise... cap a flag or use the opportunity to get extra kills.

nope if you read my post its my main source of income its not a bonus. 

if you wanna know why read im getting tired of re posting 

[yasgfgfffgf 282]

10 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

How does it make your situation worse if Shaft is strong now? Shouldn't it make it better? 

well to make a long story short beacause now i dont have a lot of time

when shaft would be a bit weaker than nobody would use protection or bother us but now there are in every battle at least 3 guys wearing good protection and they hate us now so we are more a target and they attack us

[sharifsahaf 656]

1 hour ago, yasgfgfffgf said:

well to make a long story short beacause now i dont have a lot of time

when shaft would be a bit weaker than nobody would use protection or bother us but now there are in every battle at least 3 guys wearing good protection and they hate us now so we are more a target and they attack us

shafts were always targets ,no matter what . the increase in shaft protection is what bugs me the most

[yasgfgfffgf 282]

5 minutes ago, sharifsahaf said:

shafts were always targets ,no matter what . the increase in shaft protection is what bugs me the most

me to. it works against us not only on longe range but also when someone attacks in your back. you used to have a chace to kill him but now not

[yasgfgfffgf 282]

it also  makes that there is more competition between the increase of players using shaft for the best sniping place. standing with 2 shafts on the same place earns you nothing

[Benefactor 6,888]

Just now, yasgfgfffgf said:

it also  makes that there is more competition between the increase of players using shaft for the best sniping place. standing with 2 shafts on the same place earns you nothing

Especially when you are trying to go unnoticed sniping with Gauss or peek-a-boo with Rail in a prime spot.

They sped up Shaft so much it seems broke. But hey, everything got faster in the game, so yeah, I see where this buff is coming from.

[coconuttree 519]

3 hours ago, At_Shin said:

shaft dishes out more arcade shots during the 7 seconds of viking OD than before?

There is a parameter called arcade reload time that governs time between acrade shots. So I think number of shots in Viking overdrive remains same.

 

Edit: I am referring to shaft with any alteration except RFM. RFM fires much faster due to reduced arcade shot reload time in the recent update. Thanks to @BloodPressure for pointing out.

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by coconuttree