The current turrets and hulls of 2020: Poll.

[alkyng 3,080]

1 hour ago, asem.harbi said:

I talked about hornet that its OP, but Titan is OP also with its high 90% so the hornet must kick that exaggerated protection, most times when I see Titan's dome I automatically ignore it and go to another enemy except if I have hornet OD to teach him a lesson

Must watch before deleting

Hornet punishes Titan for its OP OD

 

[MurderHornet 25]

2 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Well Hornet is not a counter to Hornet...or more accurately, Hornet's Overdrive is not a counter to Hornet's Overdrive. 

Why not? They strip you of protection, you strip them of protection. Then first hit usually wins because it is a light hull.

[ZYXW_GTO_COOL 5]

2 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I chose Isida as UP. I would have chosen Railgun or Twins if not for the fact that their augments make up for their status. Isida doesn't have any solid Augments like other turrets have. One is basically not needed if you have superb Ping, another is a niche playstyle that puts you at the mercy of your teammates, and the last one is downright awful due to Stock Isida's balance and you need superb Ping with that one. 

 

I disagree. this is about the turret/ hull the way you buy it from the garage, and Vulcan is by far the worst. By the time your target is dead, you're on fire with half your hp left.

[E_polypterus 2,374]

3 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Gauss, Magnum, Shaft and LCR Railgun are the only turrets capable of comfortably one-shotting unprotected medium hulls with DD, of the same modification and 1 below

Oh ofc, I didn’t know he meant with DD. Also shaft can one shot a med hull without DD. Also it can one shot heavy hulls with some augment can’t remeber it’s name(it’s kinda op too)

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AND Isida can heal teammates.very helpful.

[E_polypterus 2,374]

4 minutes ago, ZYXW_GTO_COOL said:

By the time your target is dead, you're on fire with half your hp left.

It has increased dmg in exchange for projectile speed. But I prefer the old version. Also the sound is almost as annoying as twins : /

[ZYXW_GTO_COOL 5]

3 minutes ago, E_polypterus said:

It has increased dmg in exchange for projectile speed. But I prefer the old version. Also the sound is almost as annoying as twins : /

YES!!!!!

[Venerable 2,969]

1 hour ago, Maf said:

like the EMP gauss, which is likely why people are voting it as the most OP turret.

Well, I voted majorly by ignoring augments. With augments, there are quite a few turrets that are OP. Vulcan + Heat Immunity for any hull is super OP, not even counting any Vulcan augments.

Gauss has a high-damage snipe shot: I have Gauss Mk5 (on an alt), and its minimum snipe shot damage is 1k, which is anyway quite high, while maximum damage is 16k+, which can sometimes one-shot Mk3-4 medium hulls. With DD, medium hulls are guaranteed one-shot, provided they don't have DA or 30%+ prots.

This is without considering Adrenaline or EMP for Gauss.

 

I don't think Hornet is OP. Currently, at least at ranks below Field Marshal, Hornet OD is rarely used effectively, as far as I have observed. However, when it is used effectively, it is absolutely frustrating. Also, those who use it effectively usually have Legend accounts, and are playing on low ranked alts. 

Hornet feels OP in MM because of OP turrets equipped with it. Otherwise it isn't that bad. There are no specific attributes of the hull that make it OP. The OD is useful only if you have Gauss or Railgun with decent augments. 

Again, Hornet is a perfectly balanced hull, but it's OD should be nerfed appropriately. There is a need to separate the OD from the hull, if we're discussing Pro battles as well.

Currently all hulls are pretty much balanced imo. Yet I voted Ares as OP because of its health and strafing ability.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Venerable
Typos

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To the sound bit

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

7 minutes ago, MurderHornet said:

Why not? They strip you of protection, you strip them of protection. Then first hit usually wins because it is a light hull.

One radar does nothing to the other. Every Overdrive's effect has a counter to it. There is nothing that inherently counters the effect of Hornet's Overdrive. You can't shut it down like a Hunter can with Titan's Overdrive. It's not like two Mammoths where they damage each other just by touching. That is Mammoth's effect. Nothing counters Hornet's effect.

[ZYXW_GTO_COOL 5]

11 minutes ago, Venerable said:

I don't think Hornet is OP.

Agreed, I tried it once with a magnum and it barely helped.

[wolverine848 13,097]

51 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Gauss, Magnum, Shaft and LCR Railgun are the only turrets capable of comfortably one-shotting unprotected medium hulls with DD, of the same modification and 1 below. 

 

I chose Gauss as OP because of its horribly good splash damage distribution in the sniping mode picking up multi-kills too easily, not even taking into account the cancer that is EMP Gauss. And it's a common turret too.

 

I chose Isida as UP. I would have chosen Railgun or Twins if not for the fact that their augments make up for their status. Isida doesn't have any solid Augments like other turrets have. One is basically not needed if you have superb Ping, another is a niche playstyle that puts you at the mercy of your teammates, and the last one is downright awful due to Stock Isida's balance and you need superb Ping with that one. 

 

Well you include DD you have to include DA too.  it can't one-shot a medium all things being equal.  Only a Shaft can do that.

23 minutes ago, ZYXW_GTO_COOL said:

Agreed, I tried it once with a magnum and it barely helped.

It must be you. 

Hornet-magnum is ridiculously OP since it can one-shot a heavy hull that is fully protected inside a Titan Dome.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

5 hours ago, E_polypterus said:

I voted;

most over powered turret - Firebird ( would like to know the name of the joker who mentioned Freeze: / )

most underpowered turret - Twins(without alterations)

Most owerpowered hull - well regarding overdrives I’d say Hornet but Hunter isn’t far behind either.

Isida is far the worst. When talking about a turret, we should take augments into accounts, like we dove with ODs and hulls.

[Venerable 2,969]

2 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Hornet-magnum is ridiculously OP since it can one-shot a heavy hull that is fully protected inside a Titan Dome.

That must be happening at Legend only...

Anyway, it's shocking that Magnum can deal that much damage (assuming it has DD)

Edited October 5, 2020 by Venerable

[wolverine848 13,097]

8 minutes ago, Venerable said:

That must be happening at Legend only...

Anyway, it's shocking that Magnum can deal that much damage (assuming it has DD)

Does not happen all the time as it's avg damage is 1745.  But with a max damage of 2330 it's certainly possible. And with a drone equipped chances increase.

[ZYXW_GTO_COOL 5]

Agreed.

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EXCUSE ME @wolverine848, I am VERY GOOD! 

[alkyng 3,080]

2 hours ago, ZYXW_GTO_COOL said:

VULCAN IS MOST UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

How you assume that? with your two consecutive replies.. By testing it Mk1 at WO4 for a half than an hour?

 

_kidding 

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

OP - Magnum. Can one-shot medium hulls with DD, and can do so both in and out of cover, whether above a tank or below it. Also, Mortar alteration is simply absurd, especially when combined with the Saboteur drone. A Mortar Magnum can lay mines almost anywhere on a map while staying hidden and out of reach.

UP - Freeze.

[E_polypterus 2,374]

8 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

When talking about a turret, we should take augments into accounts, like we dove with ODs and hulls.

Well since all the hulls in their own parameters are balanced I considered their overdrives. We don’t really need to consider alterations as there are battles with them disabled too.

[ReptilianTroll 236]

I did not expect my topic to receive this many replies, thank you everyone for your intelligent points. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

10 hours ago, ZYXW_GTO_COOL said:

EXCUSE ME @wolverine848, I am VERY GOOD! 

I can't say yes or no to that... I don't know you.  But magnum-hornet combo is definitely OP.

Is it this account you "tried it" on?  Using mk1?  That might also explain your unsatisfactory performance...

A WO4 using an mk1 turret is not a good demonstration of its effectiveness.

[alkyng 3,080]

In principle apparent the poll showed that Hornet 62% and Gauss 62% are the current OP with the same percent,

In everything the players have different opinions but about the balance. Nope, I think we can't disagree that they both are OP, but that doesn't mean they must to be extreme-OP when they combine together, Nope. Vulcan - Magnum - LCR  are more OP with hornet than Gauss

Btw, I think best balance for Gauss is to remove it forever 

[alkyng 3,080]

No no no I wronged above, maybe I oppressed Hornet OD a lot.. Anyway

Let's watch this video and know how is Hunter OD is OP compared to weak hornet

 

 

[Blutaar 1,904]

2 hours ago, asem.harbi said:

 

So what's the comparison? I only see Hunter in this video