category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[Maf 32,334]

Balancing the game is a lot harder than it may seem. There have been numerous major changes to the turrets, hulls and paints over the past few years and we all have different opinions about them. Equipment parameters will continue to be adjusted in the future as well, since various new updates affect popularity and usability of certain guns. This topic has been created so that players can express their opinions about the way game balance is at the moment and how it should be improved.

Major game balance updates since 2012:

Update 114 - Rebalance
Update 205 - New Physics
Update 254 - First adjustment to parameters
Update 270 - Second adjustment to parameters
Update 296 - Shaft's laser
Update 299 - Addition of Hammer and new aiming mechanism
Update 310 - Weakening impact force of Shaft, Smoky and Railgun
Update 317 - Changes to Twins, Firebird and Ricochet
Update 331 - Increase in armour for medium and heavy hulls
Update 347 - Third adjustment to parameters
Update 354 - Fourth adjustment to parameters
Update 355 - Changes to Firebird, Freeze and Isida
Update 422 - New balance changes (a.k.a. Rebalance 2.0)
Update 428 - Parameter tweaks and more
Update 429 - Smoky's critical hit adjustment
Update 431 - Changes to Striker
Update 436 - Changes to Ricochet and Smoky
Update 439 - Balance Changes, New Alterations
Update 441 - Changes to Isida, Hammer and Shaft, and other changes
Update 456 - Various turret adjustments (+ explanation video from Hazel-Rah)
Update 469 - Changes to supplies
Update 515 - Changes to Freeze, Isida, Drones
Update 518 - Changes to Thunder and Shaft
Update 521 - Changes to Freeze and Firebird
Update 525 - Changes to Smoky and Striker
Update 527 - Changes to Ricochet and Magnum
Update 529 - Changes to Freeze, Twins and Shaft
Update 530 - Changes to Drones and Overdrives
Update 532 - Changes to Drones and Missions
Update 533 - Adding 30 gameplay alterations
Update 534 - Changes to Alterations
Update 540 - Adjustment of turrets and alterations
Update 547 - Changes to Turrets and Alterations
Update 552 - Changes to Turrets and Drones
Update 554 - Changes to Overdrives, Turrets, Hulls and Overdrives
Update 558 - Changes to Turrets, Alterations and Overdrives
Update 564 - Changes to Turrets and Overdrives
Update 574 - Changes to Magnum and Mammoth's Overdrive
Update 575 - Changes to Missions, Shaft, Freeze and Juggernaut
Update 577 - Changes to Overdrives and Alterations
Update 580 - Changes to Drones and Turrets
Update 584 - Changes to Turrets and Hulls
Update 586 - Overhaul of modifications

Note: From this point onwards, balance updates became minor and regular, on an almost weekly basis.

 

Other updates related to gameplay:

Changes to micro-upgrades
Paint separation update
Alterations
New Striker turret and more alterations
30 new alterations and old alteration adjustments
Alteration balance changes

Feel free to post any suggestions and complaints regarding balance here.

[ShortyMC 46]

I'm sure many of you have noticed as well. I don't know WHAT tanki did to the firebird, but it is rediculously over powered now. I can't even play on DM anymore cause it's nothing but FIREBIRDS. De-op the firebird! In the tanki v-log once, they said that the Hornet was every-other-hull. Well now the firebird is every-other-turret!! Idk what it's like for you liuetenants and Generallisimo's, but it is MURDER for warrant officers, and lower. Sorry if this goes to as a rant, but it is a rant. I am so sick of the firebird, I just wanna break it in half. What do you guys think?

[MCPON 27]

well at my rank it doesn't seem like every other turret is firebird because of zeus paint that protects 50% from fire.

[drazeruzumaki 5,021]

uh ok so u hate firebird....if u think its OP just buy it coz its m1 is cheap and then u will enjoy the so-called OP turret......

P.S. some say it is OP and some say its not.....personally i dont give a damn. its a normal turret to me -_-

[themaster765 256]

Then just get a firebird protection paint, lol

[ShortyMC 46]

I don't think you guys quite understand the situation. It's not just that I don't like it, it's that there are so many, and the damage is too high. I was up against seven firebirds on a DM map of ten today. I am just begging that Tanki does something about this huge problem.

[LaserShark 2,095]

Don't worry, it seems Tanki changes which wep is OPed every 2 months, just wait a bit.

[T.O.R.N.A.D.O.XXX 184]

I don't think you guys quite understand the situation. It's not just that I don't like it, it's that there are so many, and the damage is too high. I was up against seven firebirds on a DM map of ten today. I am just begging that Tanki does something about this huge problem.

Use freeze, get protection against firebird and use a strong turrent and hull (mammoth). Go in team battles and ask for a pocket isida and play in big maps

[falcosenna1 8,320]

I don't think you guys quite understand the situation. It's not just that I don't like it, it's that there are so many, and the damage is too high. I was up against seven firebirds on a DM map of ten today. I am just begging that Tanki does something about this huge problem.

It indeed deals massive damage, but it's reload time is a big disadvantage. When you play with it, you'll experience that once you're out of ammo, you're a rather easy prey due to the reload time. 

[T.O.R.N.A.D.O.XXX 184]

It indeed deals massive damage, but it's reload time is a big disadvantage. When you play with it, you'll experience that once you're out of ammo, you're a rather easy prey due to the reload time. 

True.

[robbie56 2,403]

Smoky is OP

And Isida's range

[I.Devastation 2,053]

I'm sure many of you have noticed as well. I don't know WHAT tanki did to the firebird, but it is rediculously over powered now. I can't even play on DM anymore cause it's nothing but FIREBIRDS. De-op the firebird! In the tanki v-log once, they said that the Hornet was every-other-hull. Well now the firebird is every-other-turret!! Idk what it's like for you liuetenants and Generallisimo's, but it is MURDER for warrant officers, and lower. Sorry if this goes to as a rant, but it is a rant. I am so sick of the firebird, I just wanna break it in half. What do you guys think?

Rank up get freeze m2 kit or get freeze m2 at wo5, then firebird wont be a problem

[T.O.R.N.A.D.O.XXX 184]

Smoky is OP

And Isida's range

Yeah. How is firebird OP? Smoky is

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Firebird has short range damage so naturally at close range it is strong.

 

And, yes, reload is an issue.

[GrimReaper66 1]

I'm in agreement that it has it's reload disadvantages, but regardless Ii'm fed up with them as well because, dare I say it: Drugging. It seems like the Firebird+Wasp kit is the universal "Allow me to shoot up on EVERYTHING before going into battle EVERY SINGLE TIME" package, all I have to do is see that kit and I know that's hat their strategy is, which is so noobish at my rank it nearly ruins Tanki for me. Since when was the object to abuse powerups and suicide into a group of tanks all round long? I hope they fix it like they did Shaft.   

[Mickey_Nickz 589]

yeah, it's pretty over powered at warrant officer ranks, i used to be 1st in every DM i played when i was a warrant officer.

firebird is a good turret but there are many ways to outrun it, you'll learn give it some time :)

[zStreSs 24]

Yeah... the damage is too much. In small maps like island, polygon, etc. firebird ruin all -_-

[caproz 61]

Fire is strong as others weapon. U just need a paint. I'm not sure freeze can resolve your problem, the rotation speed of fire is high. If you are so stressed go play in long range map with long range weapon for a bit! ;)

[dilsharox 2,395]

i suggest that u buy fire m1 ASAP 

[Fatal-Attraction 80]

There are three guns I believe are grossly overpowered. These guns are so over powered one who is three ranks below me can easily kill me. I have no defense against these guns in the hands of lower ranks, and this is why I call these guns “In house cheats”

On the top of my hit list is the Flame thrower. The m1 seems to have normal damage power, but the m2 is grossly overpowered. So much so that if a flame touches me for a mere one second, I will slowly cook to death. This overpowered gun can kill wreck three tanks at a time. A little major can easily kill me. I don‘t see how this is fair. Many of  a game has been ruined because of this “in house cheat“

Next on the list are the M2 Twins. These weapon are so overpowered that a Lt Col. Can pound the hell out of me and kill me in less than five seconds. There is no defense against this gun either. Funny thing though: I look at the stats in the garage, and the numbers don’t seem to reflect the power of this gun.

The hammer, too is overpowered,  with no mods, it starts at a whooping 76.7 for kill power. And then to make it worst, reload time before mod out is only 2.04 seconds. I don’t think this is fair. Overpowered and with a 2.04 second reload?! Ridiculous!

Some will make comment/suggestions that I think are dumb.

They might say: by a certain paints that will protect you from x gun. Really? Then I would be valuable to the other guns. And further more…. Who (except those who buy crystals) would be that rich?

Some might say buy a heavier tank. Again - also dumb. How many are rich enough to start from scratch with a new tank and still maintain the guns they own?!
 

Or someone might suggest buying one of these guns…..Again who would be rich enough to buy another gun from start from scratch?

 

These dumb comments will irritate me. Please pause and think before you post.

I would like to know if anyone else but me are complaining about these “In House Cheats”

Edited August 9, 2015 by Fatal-Attraction

[Penguin40 1,714]

Get paints on a sale. They're not too expensive, and anybody who saves crystals for a good sale can easily get it. I'd recommend Loam and Urban. (MU them)

[SatansRotweiler 44]

I'm guessing your a rail and hornet user for the turrets you have a problem with. Twins, fire and hammer are great for medium (with adequate cover) and small maps.

 

medium maps (with little cover) or large maps, you should be killing them all before they get to you.

 

not directed at you because i dont know but personally, i find it irritating when someone is using a gun totally mismatched to a map (only if they are on my team), if your team is dominating, you may get away with it otherwise you are a weak link.

 

an m0 turret on a map that suits it can be more usefel then an m3 that shouldn't be there. Some people just refuse to accept that their turret, they spent time and crystals on is useless on certain maps.

 

someone already stated about paints, they make a huge difference and again depending on the map, the turrets you are likely to meet, your paint is important. Storm, magma , swamp are cheap paints, if your main problem is a guy with hammer then get a cheap paint to offer some protection. No point having an expensive paint if no one is using the turret it protects you from.

 

In your garage you should have at least, a medum hull and a large/medium map turret with a medium/small map turret. To give you the best choice of maps. Dont have to be a buyer to achieve that, instead of getting m3 and limiting yourself, you would be able to upgrade a new one to m2. Then when you have a proper garage, aim for an m3.

 

Whether you like it or not, the higher you rank battle choices become fewer, if you only have the one combo to pick from things will become very difficult.

Edited August 9, 2015 by SatansRotweiler

[Fatal-Attraction 80]

Reply To SatansRotweller

I like your name.

As with guns fitting the map…I’ve notice that some guns work better on some maps than others.

But as one who can not buy crystals, I can have only two guns (not counting my smoky, for which I don’t use)  and afford the upkeep. Even with only two guns I have financial problems. And then there the upkeep on my track, on top of my guns. No one who doesn’t buy crystals can afford a gun that’s suitable for many maps.

And the same  goes for my track, too. I have only one track because I cant afford another one and upkeep that one on top of all my other expenses.

So you can be annoyed all you want on in a game with mismatch guns because the reality is the same for most Tanki gamers as it is for me. We only have the crystals we earn in game.

Edited August 9, 2015 by Fatal-Attraction

[drazeruzumaki 5,021]

its firebird....

anyway just bcoz u keep dying from some weapons doesnt make them OP

[Fatal-Attraction 80]

Reply To DrazenUzumaki

Yes, I know what it’s called. Everyone knows what weapon I was speaking of.
Thank You. Do you feel good now?

UM……yes it does make them overpowered if I have no chance to defend myself and if someone who is three ranks below you can easily kill me.

 

That’s the very definition of Overpowered……..
 

This is the type of post I complained about in my opener post.

 

This is exactly the kind of reply that is  super irritating,
 

Edited August 9, 2015 by Fatal-Attraction