completed Nerf the stun

[Cleric 1,385]

1 minute ago, Spy said:

The decision to mark the idea you are talking about as valid wasn't main but Maf's decision. 

In other words, moderators, including but not limited to Maf, has the right to bypass and ignore rules stated in black and white. That's exactly what I was complaining about. The standard of moderation here is there is no standards. Rules are constantly ignored and "exceptions" are everywhere. Let's be honest, you moderators "moderate" the way you like it. You approve what you like and reject what you dislike.

 

e.g.

Option Pro Battle - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com)
Replay Mode - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com):
explain to me which exact rule do these suggestions violated? You rejected it because YOU thought it doesn't make sense. There is no one else but YOU.

Adding back the text that the battle will end soon when the teams are unbalanced - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You declined it, but not because he suggested to bring back old features (come on, it is super obvious), but because you think it doesn't work.

Hull Rebalance Idea - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You think it is valid. Even though the OP mention "rebalance" and completely avoid mentioning the past, it is exactly how hull HP used to work. Hence, it is a suggestion of "bringing back TO to previous version".

[Spy 14,910]

7 minutes ago, Aegis said:

Option Pro Battle - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com)
Replay Mode - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com):
explain to me which exact rule do these suggestions violated? You rejected it because YOU thought it doesn't make sense. There is no one else but YOU.

I rejected those ideas simply because those ideas wouldn't be added to the game by the developers. And yes, I Rejected the ideas because someone has to do it. Unless of course you have some robot who can do it instead. 

7 minutes ago, Aegis said:

Adding back the text that the battle will end soon when the teams are unbalanced - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You declined it, but not because he suggested to bring back old features (come on, it is super obvious), but because you think it doesn't work.

And I still stand by my words, adding this feature back (regardless of the rule) wouldn't fix MM.

7 minutes ago, Aegis said:

Hull Rebalance Idea - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You think it is valid. Even though the OP mention "rebalance" and completely avoid mentioning the past, it is exactly how hull HP used to work. Hence, it is a suggestion of "bringing back TO to previous version".

The idea was marked as under review at first and was reported to the developers. Later on, I changed the tag to valid to remove it from the list of under review ideas. To put it short, it wouldn't change anything if I marked it as valid or declined.

There is a logic behind the rules of the section.

- Changes to the actual Tanki Online to its previous versions, or ideas regarding the removal of updates: If we were accepting such ideas, we would get countless ideas about removing updates and we would be forced to mark them as valid since they do not violate any rule. But what's the point? The main goal is to suggest ideas that would help the game improve at its current state. 

Increase of battle funds or any rewards/bonuses - This one is pretty self explanatory, players would suggest adding rewards everywhere. Obviously not what we are looking for in this section. However, the idea about increasing the rewards for premium account was accepted. As to why? I recall Maf saying that premium needs to get some new perks, and then this idea was suggested, Maf probably thought it is a good idea. But it would be better to let Maf himself explain why he decided to mark the idea as valid.

Last but least, I would like to address this - "Let's be honest, you moderators "moderate" the way you like it. You approve what you like and reject what you dislike." - Not everyone think the same way (which is why we are having this debate right now) and people may take different decisions in the same situation. Moderators are not robots, we have to use discretion when accepting/declining ideas and sometimes something that makes sense to me wouldn't make sense to you. Maybe if you were in my place you would act differently, which is fine, we are not robots and we do not think the same way.

 

[alkyng 3,081]

40 minutes ago, Aegis said:

Adding back the text that the battle will end soon when the teams are unbalanced - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You declined it, but not because he suggested to bring back old features (come on, it is super obvious), but because you think it doesn't work.

Honestly in this I really disagree with the idea, I remember this, it was too annoying.

BTW, Though of the opinion interruption by moderators in this section, but I somehow agree that the ideas needs some filters. The ideas here are alot, most of them are irresonable.

For me I don't give a care if my idea was rejected or validated. I'm not really suggesting here, I just want the discussion with players, not suggesting because I really want the feature. Why? Let's be honest, 99,9% of the ideas aren't going to be implemented in the game, even if it was Valid, this section is here just for randomness and to be a place if someone want to share. So I give 0 cares about if they are going to implement my ideas or not, I'm writing the idea while I know confidently in my heart the idea isn't going to be implemented.

But what irritate me isn't if the idea get Valid or Declined, what irritate me is when the idea got directly merged/archived. In example "tanks should stay in the battle after leaving" AND ""resetting the protection modules everyday"  got directly merged/archived, while I'm being too serious in the first idea. While you can see in this section many of random / trite topics like "nerf hopper" got directly Valid and stay in the section forever. While my topics aren't violating any of the section directly, but depending on opinion it got rid of (Merging/Archiving), while I was really want the discussion to be continued.

[Cleric 1,385]

39 minutes ago, Spy said:

I rejected those ideas simply because those ideas wouldn't be added to the game by the developers. 

What makes you think the Devs will not consider that, when obviously you are not, and not capable to be, part of the team? And if you think this is one of the reasons an idea should be declined, then state it in black and white if you dare. Otherwise, what are basing on to decline these ideas?

 

 

39 minutes ago, Spy said:

And I still stand by my words, adding this feature back (regardless of the rule) wouldn't fix MM.

You are switching subject. It is not about whether you declined the idea. It is about WHY did you decline it. You declined it based on your opinion and based on facts.

 

39 minutes ago, Spy said:

To put it short, it wouldn't change anything if I marked it as valid or declined.

Ah... in other words, all suggestions will be ignored and abandon (and maybe being digged up from the grave after a few years) if it is not "Under Review". Then what's the point of marking an idea valid or not?

 

39 minutes ago, Spy said:

There is a logic behind the rules of the section.

- Changes to the actual Tanki Online to its previous versions, or ideas regarding the removal of updates: If we were accepting such ideas, we would get countless ideas about removing updates and we would be forced to mark them as valid since they do not violate any rule. But what's the point? The main goal is to suggest ideas that would help the game improve at its current state. 

 

Increase of battle funds or any rewards/bonuses - This one is pretty self explanatory, players would suggest adding rewards everywhere. Obviously not what we are looking for in this section. However, the idea about increasing the rewards for premium account was accepted. As to why? I recall Maf saying that premium needs to get some new perks, and then this idea was suggested, Maf probably thought it is a good idea. But it would be better to let Maf himself explain why he decided to mark the idea as valid.

Last but least, I would like to address this - "Let's be honest, you moderators "moderate" the way you like it. You approve what you like and reject what you dislike." - Not everyone think the same way (which is why we are having this debate right now) and people may take different decisions in the same situation. Moderators are not robots, we have to use discretion when accepting/declining ideas and sometimes something that makes sense to me wouldn't make sense to you. Maybe if you were in my place you would act differently, which is fine, we are not robots and we do not think the same way.

You are switching subjects again. I have no comments on whether the rules make sense or not, since apparently normal users like us have zero say about it. I'm talking about the fact that you moderators decide when to follow the rules and when not to, constantly.

Lastly, yes, every one has his opinion, but this should only happen when what he is doing is opinion-based. For things in clear black and white like approval procedures, opinions, feelings and emotions shall never ever exist. He should make his decision base on factual data and clearly stated guidelines and rules instead. What happen if every government officials "may take different decisions in the same situation" when deciding whether to approve your VISA  application? What happen if a judge told his colleges "sometimes something that makes sense to me wouldn't make sense to you" and make his judgement in a court case in his own discretion?

 

That's why I call moderators in this forum armatures. They are armatures. They act like armatures. And they even think like armatures.

[Maf 32,329]

18 hours ago, Aegis said:

In other words, moderators, including but not limited to Maf, has the right to bypass and ignore rules stated in black and white. That's exactly what I was complaining about. The standard of moderation here is there is no standards. Rules are constantly ignored and "exceptions" are everywhere. Let's be honest, you moderators "moderate" the way you like it. You approve what you like and reject what you dislike.

I gave you a detailed explanation here, but essentially the rules are not strictly enforced, and we use our own extensive experience and knowledge to judge whether or not an idea is viable. In the end, all topics get reported to developers anyway.

Adding onto what Spy said above, I gave my own explanations in yellow: 

18 hours ago, Aegis said:

Option Pro Battle - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com) 
Remains declined. Spy's post edited for clarity.

Replay Mode - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com):
 explain to me which exact rule do these suggestions violated? You rejected it because YOU thought it doesn't make sense. There is no one else but YOU.
Previously stated by devs that the demand for such a feature is too low to justify implementing it. Spy correctly determined that the idea doesn't work. We also discussed it within our group.
 

Adding back the text that the battle will end soon when the teams are unbalanced - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You declined it, but not because he suggested to bring back old features (come on, it is super obvious), but because you think it doesn't work.
Even if not stated as a primary reason, it still asks to bring back a removed feature. Spy clarified it further why the feature would not work, and his logic is sound.
 

Hull Rebalance Idea - Ideas and Suggestions - Tanki Online Forum (tankiforum.com): You think it is valid. Even though the OP mention "rebalance" and completely avoid mentioning the past, it is exactly how hull HP used to work. Hence, it is a suggestion of "bringing back TO to previous version".
You're right — we'll reconsider the status.

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17 hours ago, asem.harbi said:

what irritate me is when the idea got directly merged/archived. In example "tanks should stay in the battle after leaving" AND ""resetting the protection modules everyday"  got directly merged/archived, while I'm being too serious in the first idea.

But did it get merged without being approved as its own topic, or did it hang in the section for a while while having the "merge" tag? The reason the "merge" tag exists is exactly for the reason you've described — we want to give people opportunity to see and comment on new ideas, and we realise that merging it into a category topic effectively archives the post. Which is why we keep it as a separate topic for a while before merging.

We won't merge your topic if there's an active discussion going on, and if the activity is high enough, we will change the tag and keep it separate permanently.

[NikmanGT 4,441]

Completed
Stun underwent through a lot of changes, with the new Rail  Stun existing for 2 seconds and Smoky stun existing for 3 seconds. 5 second nerf has been completed.

[TheCongoSpider 8,970]

4 minutes ago, NikmanGT said:

and Smoky stun existing for 3 seconds. 

Smoky is 2 seconds. 

[NikmanGT 4,441]

1 minute ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Smoky is 2 seconds. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,970]

1 minute ago, NikmanGT said:

It appears the Stun Smoky nerf in January continues to go under everyone's radar. 

 

 

[NikmanGT 4,441]

Just now, TheCongoSpider said:

 

Forwarded to the Wiki editors, thanks for the info