completed Buff Hyperion

[Abellia 504]

I would like to preface this by saying that I despise the current system, and that I'd rather see Booster, Crisis, Defender, Saboteur, and Trickster properly balanced.

With that out of the way.

With the way drones are currently set up, the more expensive drones are to maintain, the more powerful they are in the game's meta. 

However, I can't help but notice that out of the drones, the second most expensive one to maintain, Hyperion, is not the second most powerful drone - or even the third. It sits at an unfortunate fourth place behind Crisis, Booster, and Defender, and debatably behind Saboteur and Trickster as well, depending on the map and gamemode. I propose that in order to justify its immense supply costs (3x for all supplies), which rival crisis, it gains power similar to it.

To do this, I propose Hyperion gains a permanent +15% boost to both attack, defense, and speed, similar to what the pre-rework brutus did. This gives those who used Brutus prior to the drone update an option to gain back something similar to what they once had, as well as gives Hyperion the power it deserves for the supplies it uses.
 

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[mjmj5558 2,346]

I do not think this is a great idea. The task of the hyperion is to remive supply cooldowns. So, let it do that, but donvt let it consume extra mines and repair kits. Also, maybe it should only consume 2 supplies instead of 3?

[fghjkl54 1,521]

Just now, mjmj5558 said:

 

but it's already consume 2 supplies

[mjmj5558 2,346]

11 minutes ago, fghjkl54 said:

but it's already consume 2 supplies

No, it consumes 2+1

[Akame 4,598]

In all honesty, as a player that has used Hyperion for a long time in the past, and at times nowadays, I would like to either see a shorter cooldown for mines and repairs, or abolish the additional mines and repairs consumed. 

Personally not fussed about it using 2 additional supplies, but here's the hitch. Booster/Defender/Trickster can spawn with 2/3 supplies, with 1 of them boosted, for only the boosted supply using 2 additional supplies. So it is still usually much better to use any of those big 3. So a reduction to 1 additional supply only seems fair in that comparison.

[Abellia 504]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Hyperion only consuming 1 extra supply instead of 2, or a buff to mine and repair reload, either. @mjmj5558 @Akame

However, historically this has not been how changes were made - power has been justified rather than cost, as shown by a multitude of changes throughout the games' development cycle. From the recent drone tweaks to Driver and Assault to the way that overpowered status augments were introduced in Ultra Containers and have stayed, or even as far back as the original change from "Alterations" to "Augments" where the strongest Alterations simply increased in price rather than becoming better balanced - Alternativa has consistently shown that they would rather justify by changing power than by changing costs.

This is why I suggested a buff to Hyperion's abilities rather than a buff to its maintenance cost- it would provide a bit more variety among the "uber tier drones" whilst giving a good reason for Hyperion to cost as much as it does to maintain.

...although, I'd rather see Booster and Defender nerfed along with their maintenance rather than a rather crude buff to Hyperion like this, but as the devs said in the qna - "by ranking up and earning more crystals, you can unlock and buy these drones when you have enough skill to use them." 

so much skill pressing 2 or 3 mhm

[wolverine848 13,097]

19 minutes ago, Abellia said:

but as the devs said in the qna - "by ranking up and earning more crystals, you can unlock and buy these drones when you have enough skill to use them." 

[thunderhunter123 741]

True!

Hyperion can allow us to re-use a supply right when it is done with its limit, but other Drones like Booster, Defender, ... also reduce the time of supplies.

It would be good to have another ability for Hyperion. Having more boost to damage, defense, and speed, similar to Brutus and Trickster, can be cool!

Nice idea for the Hyperion Drone!

[yellowghetto 3,206]

As a Hyperion user and main, I'd say this is not necessary. The only problem I with Hyperion Drone is that it consumes 3 Repair Kits and Mines when these two Supplies are not affected by the Drone.

Let's look at a similar Passive Drone like Crisis.

Crisis consumes 3 of its kind used, and it only affects Boosted Armor, Boosted Damage, and Speed Boost.

[numericable 2,375]

I agree that hyperion should not consume any extra repair kit and mines, and maybe consume only one extra DD DA and SB, even if i never used this drone. 

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

I agree that Hyperion drone needs changes, but what you are proposing here is not the way to do it - what you are suggesting would result in Hyperion turning into another powerful, effectively buyer-only drone (given the rate at which it consumes supplies, especially repair kits currently, along with an increase in all the other supplies) along with Crisis to allow buyers to dominate in all the scenarios where Crisis is less useful currently. This would not be helpful to the game, a better change would simply be to stop Hyperion using excess repair kits and mines (which should be the case right now), and perhaps also a few other minor changes.

But there is no reason why we should aim for Hyperion becoming the second most powerful drone, rather we should aim for drones to be BALANCED with each other - we should not deliberately seek to create new imbalance. Hyperion's needless consumption of extra repair kits and mines should be dealt with, the most powerful drones should be nerfed and the least powerful drones should be buffed. We don't want to have a scenario where there are 2 dominant drones, which only buyers can afford to use - that would be even worse than the current situation with 3-4 top drones, with free players at least being able to use 3 of them (Booster/Defender/Trickster).

[NikmanGT 4,430]

I think Hyperion is one of the powerful top tier drones now

[Me0w_XP 523]

Hyperion reduces RK cooldown does it not? I believe you can use RK every 10 seconds w/ the drone.

[TheCongoSpider 8,965]

1 minute ago, Me0w_XP said:

Hyperion reduces RK cooldown does it not? I believe you can use RK every 13 seconds w/ the drone.

This suggestion was made 5 months before that change, and 3 months before the major drone and supply changes. 

[Me0w_XP 523]

21 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

This suggestion was made 5 months before that change, and 3 months before the major drone and supply changes. 

Ahhh I see.

[cybernite 93]

I recently posted a new topic in Idea and Suggestions regarding Hyperion; glad to know others feel like me about Hyperion drone.

I suggested the idea of speeding up OD too and a speed boost. 

Ya, I  like that  take 2 supplies would be good.

 

[Maf 32,326]

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On 7/22/2021 at 9:09 PM, Abellia said:

I would like to preface this by saying that I despise the current system

Oh boy do I have good news for you! 

The whole system got reworked, so while I can't judge the new drone balance with total accuracy, I'd say that Hyperion has a more logical place in the drone line-up now, in terms of power-to-cost ratio.