v-log Episode 313 of the V-LOG!

[numericable 2,375]

For paladin giveaway, only 3 winners among all comments of different social media or 3 winners from each platforms? If it is the first case, the chances would be extremely low for an mk1 version of paladin and it would not make sense to follow tanki everywhere, on insta, FB, twitter, discord and on the forum. I wish it is 3 winners on each platform = 15 winners since it is only mk1, i would love to get it.

[RIDDLER_8 5,552]

I have posted another question yesterday on the Q&A section so I hope to get an answer next week on Friday.

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

Congratulations @RIDDLER_8 on your new Paladin hull, and also on the forum icon lol.  It is pretty cool that the developers gave you that 

Finally a forum icon more fitting for the Supreme Leader :)

[RIDDLER_8 5,552]

Yeah, it is cool. I like my new icon and Paladin hull.

[G-92 104]

5 minutes ago, RIDDLER_8 said:

Yeah, it is cool. I like my new icon and Paladin hull.

Does this mean you are not going to mention BO NK anymore 

[G-92 104]

@RIDDLER_8 Really pleased for you, NICE 1 

[numericable 2,375]

I am waiting for Paladin release but even then, we will need to have a few immunities for it, otherwise it would be underpowered compared to other hulls which has immunities for it, so i suggest putting all Paladin immunities in the containers so we could grind for shards. I have already saved alot of containers since 1st september, i wanted to see how many of them i could save in a month.

[RIDDLER_8 5,552]

Yeah, really. Paladin is so cool. I have it as a gift. I wont mention anything regarding BO-NK for now since my question to developers was answered yesterday on V-Log 313.

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

21 hours ago, numericable said:

I am waiting for Paladin release but even then, we will need to have a few immunities for it, otherwise it would be underpowered compared to other hulls which has immunities for it, so i suggest putting all Paladin immunities in the containers so we could grind for shards. I have already saved alot of containers since 1st september, i wanted to see how many of them i could save in a month.

No hope for getting Paladin hull augments from those containers I think, because I believe containers get updated each time. So you will only get newly added container rewards from containers obtained after the time that item is added to possible rewards, not from any containers saved before that date. I could be wrong but that's what I believe to be the case, would need an admin to confirm.

 

I do agree that for the sake of fairness, most Paladin hull augments should be added to regular containers on release.

Edited September 19, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[numericable 2,375]

50 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

No hope for getting Paladin hull augments from those containers I think, because I believe containers get updated each time. So you will only get newly added container rewards from containers obtained after the time that item is added to possible rewards, not from any containers saved before that date. I could be wrong but that's what I believe to be the case, would need an admin to confirm.

 

I do agree that for the sake of fairness, most Paladin hull augments should be added to regular containers on release.

Umm idk about this since they wont take off content, they will just add new ones, when they rename containers to "old cont", thats because they add contents + they delete other contents

[NikmanGT 4,362]

1 hour ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

No hope for getting Paladin hull augments from those containers I think, because I believe containers get updated each time. So you will only get newly added container rewards from containers obtained after the time that item is added to possible rewards, not from any containers saved before that date. I could be wrong but that's what I believe to be the case, would need an admin to confirm.

 

 

Yes , like any other time , when a new turret , object or any game related item is added into the game , it can be only found in the "new containers"  i.e.  the containers that the user obtains after the addition of given item in the game. Already own conts will be classified as "old" and would not be able to give the said item. 

 

1 hour ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

I do agree that for the sake of fairness, most Paladin hull augments should be added to regular containers on release.

Yes , that would provide fairness of sort. 

Anyways , i would always suggest to find out this type of  infos from an official source .

Edited September 19, 2021 by nikunj04

[nuhah7 22]

Can someone send me the form for submitting the answer to this week's question?

[numericable 2,375]

45 minutes ago, nikunj04 said:

Yes , like any other time , when a new turret , object or any game related item is added into the game , it can be only found in the "new containers"  i.e.  the containers that the user obtains after the addition of given item in the game. Already own conts will be classified as "old" and would not be able to give the said item. 

 

Yes , that would provide fairness of sort. 

Anyways , i would always suggest to find out this type of  infos from an official source .

Not a long time ago, crusader immunities and AP immunities for hovering hulls were added to containers, and those last weren't changed to old containers, so when they are only adding contents, they dont change them.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

53 minutes ago, numericable said:

Not a long time ago, crusader immunities and AP immunities for hovering hulls were added to containers, and those last weren't changed to old containers, so when they are only adding contents, they dont change them.

Yes there can be some exceptions , but im talking about an ideal situation which happens most of the time. They always tell about it in the Vlogs  so , I hope we find it out soon enough

54 minutes ago, nuhah7 said:

Can someone send me the form for submitting the answer to this week's question?

If ur talking about the Question of the Week from VLog , here it is :-QoTW - Vlog 313

Edited September 19, 2021 by nikunj04

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

9 hours ago, numericable said:

Not a long time ago, crusader immunities and AP immunities for hovering hulls were added to containers, and those last weren't changed to old containers, so when they are only adding contents, they dont change them.

I am not sure, but even if the containers don't change to "old containers", I think the items you can get are still different. We would need a developer to confirm, or it could be semi-tested if someone saved up a very large number of containers, and then opened them when some new items were added just to test. If you successfully got one of the new items from containers obtained before the new items were added, then that would prove that you can sometimes get "new" items from "old" containers.

But I suspect that even though the container appearance does not always change with every change in contents, you can only get items that were available at the time you obtained the containers.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

7 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

if someone saved up a very large number of containers, and then opened them when some new items were added just to test. If you successfully got one of the new items from containers obtained before the new items were added, then that would prove that you can sometimes get "new" items from "old" containers.

That doesn't happen , what numericable said was correct that there may be some in-game items that will be added without the updation of the containers. But if the containers are marked old , no matter how much u try u won't be able to get the desired item because that is the concept of "Old and new". U have to obtain the containers after the update to obtain the items.

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

8 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

That doesn't happen , what numericable said was correct that there may be some in-game items that will be added without the updation of the containers. But if the containers are marked old , no matter how much u try u won't be able to get the desired item because that is the concept of "Old and new". U have to obtain the containers after the update to obtain the items.

Umm did you read my post :P ? I was saying that that was probably the case - although this would be a way to test it for sure.

I don't think that containers are always marked "old" when the contents change (unless I am incorrect?) as the contents change quite frequently and I am fairly sure there have been times they haven't been marked "old". But even if they are not, I still think the rewards you can get from previously obtained containers can only be from the items available at the time they were obtained. I said that I suspected this was true in my post (read carefully), but I said someone would have to try to test it, or we would need official admin confirmation to be sure.

Edited September 20, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[Iron_Man 2,376]

2 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

. I don't think that containers are always marked "old" when the contents change (unless I am incorrect?

You are incorrect. The containers are marked old  when the contents change and this has been confirmed.

3 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

, I still think the rewards you can get from previously obtained containers can only be from the items available at the time they were obtained.

You are correct in this one. Yes, we do we have a confirmation for this one. 

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

5 minutes ago, Iron_Man said:

You are incorrect. The containers are marked old  when the contents change and this has been confirmed.

I see, interesting. Well I never really save containers so I suppose I wouldn't know  I have saved them up for 2 weeks once or twice, but that's about it. Thought I might have once done it at a time when the contents changed without them reverting to "old", but perhaps that wasn't the case then.

18 hours ago, numericable said:

Not a long time ago, crusader immunities and AP immunities for hovering hulls were added to containers, and those last weren't changed to old containers, so when they are only adding contents, they dont change them.

@numericable said in this post however that he was aware of an instance where container contents were changed and they were not converted to old, which would contradict this. Are you sure of this numericable, did you have containers saved at this time?

Edited September 20, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[Iron_Man 2,376]

3 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

I see, interesting. Well I never really save containers so I suppose I wouldn't know  I have saved them up for 2 weeks once or twice, but that's about it. Thought I might have once done it at a time when the contents changed without them reverting to "old", but perhaps that wasn't the case then.

Oh you can notice this clearly in the case of UCs. I remember a friend of mine opening a bunch of "old" UCs recently when he got Hopper Mk1

Those were the containers he got when hopper was in early access and he just saved them up.

He already had Mk8 Hopper

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

5 minutes ago, Iron_Man said:

Oh you can notice this clearly in the case of UCs. I remember a friend of mine opening a bunch of "old" UCs recently when he got Hopper Mk1

Those were the containers he got when hopper was in early access and he just saved them up.

He already had Mk8 Hopper

It's obvious if they are marked "old", the only question was if contents can change without the "old" designation - as numericable thought happened before when Hovering Hull AP Immunities were added to containers. But that is interesting if your friend got Mk1 Hopper when he already had Mk8 - ouch  I had assumed in this case that he would be given a replacement reward.

Edited September 20, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[Iron_Man 2,376]

1 minute ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

the only question was if contents can change without the "old" designation

Once again, no.

If contents change, the containers have to get marked "old". So yeah. 

[NikmanGT 4,362]

49 minutes ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

Umm did you read my post :P ? I was saying that that was probably the case - although this would be a way to test it for sure.

I don't think that containers are always marked "old" when the contents change (unless I am incorrect?) as the contents change quite frequently and I am fairly sure there have been times they haven't been marked "old". But even if they are not, I still think the rewards you can get from previously obtained containers can only be from the items available at the time they were obtained. I said that I suspected this was true in my post (read carefully), but I said someone would have to try to test it, or we would need official admin confirmation to be sure.

Whenever the process of updation of conts i.e  old and new conts are implemented , they always tell about it in V-logs and other official sources . Not everytime the new item added makes the cont old ,  but if it does, its always posted officially so players dont get confused.

[IlRailGunlI 15]

1 hour ago, DestrotankAI9 said:

I see, interesting. Well I never really save containers so I suppose I wouldn't know  I have saved them up for 2 weeks once or twice, but that's about it. Thought I might have once done it at a time when the contents changed without them reverting to "old", but perhaps that wasn't the case then.

@numericable said in this post however that he was aware of an instance where container contents were changed and they were not converted to old, which would contradict this. Are you sure of this numericable, did you have containers saved at this time?

Yes i know this because i tested it, last time they put AP immunities for hovering hulls, they didn't renamed the current containers to old as they just added additional contents, i believe that if they took off contents like they often do on their ultra containers, they must rename those to old UC otherwise it would be a scam, for example you buy 500 UC for hopper xt but you dont feel to open them atm, then the content changes, and hopper get swaped by crusader, in this case you are getting scamed if they dont rename cont to old conts. But in the case when they just add new content, most likely the case of the normal containers, not the UC, they dont feel the need to rename them to OLD containers. I have experienced this, when they add tesla augment on them, we will be sure. 

Edited September 20, 2021 by IlRailGunlI

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

2 hours ago, IlRailGunlI said:

Yes i know this because i tested it, last time they put AP immunities for hovering hulls, they didn't renamed the current containers to old as they just added additional contents, i believe that if they took off contents like they often do on their ultra containers, they must rename those to old UC otherwise it would be a scam, for example you buy 500 UC for hopper xt but you dont feel to open them atm, then the content changes, and hopper get swaped by crusader, in this case you are getting scamed if they dont rename cont to old conts. But in the case when they just add new content, most likely the case of the normal containers, not the UC, they dont feel the need to rename them to OLD containers. I have experienced this, when they add tesla augment on them, we will be sure. 

Interesting, so it seems we have a contradiction here in what the helpers are saying, and what some players are saying from personal experience - that content has been added to regular containers (the AP immunity augments for Crusader/Hopper/Ares in this case - added some months ago), and pre-saved containers were not changed to appear as "old" containers. I have to say I am inclined to believe the players are right here, as helpers are presumably stating back what the developers have said, and not saying this from in-game experience. As we know from patch notes and "hidden" changes such as Dictator getting exp added to its overdrive as @TheCongoSpider pointed out, patch notes can either be wrong or information that we are given can be incomplete - and that could well be the case for any part of the game, including with container rewards.

However even if not changed to "old" containers, I still would be willing to believe older containers will contain only the items obtainable at the time they were acquired. And It is reasonable to point out that changing to "old" containers is probably only truly necessary if items are removed, rather than added as @numericable and @IlRailGunlI point out. Perhaps that is sometimes the rule that is followed.

Edited September 20, 2021 by DestrotankAI9