valid freezing status effect improvement

[Entropy 147]

as the freezing status applying gradually i suggest the same gradual boosted damage reduction

what i mean: if target freezed to a half of the maximum (half of round indicator filled), so than damage reduced in a half

and vice versa when you thaw: as soon as you partially unfroze, your damage gradually restores

for now freezing is way too powerful - one puff and you have no damage at all

[Dopamine 2,161]

Valid

Sounds good to me, curious to know what others think.

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

I imagine it would be much harder to implement than the current binary application. It may also be inconvenient for players to have constantly fluctuating damage numbers. 

[Marekos1111 3,091]

Sounds like an interesting idea. 

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 7/26/2022 at 11:53 AM, TheCongoSpider said:

I imagine it would be much harder to implement than the current binary application. It may also be inconvenient for players to have constantly fluctuating damage numbers. 

You're right; however, I feel like it is a little unfair for boosted damage to be completely disabled if one Freeze even accidentally fires at you for one tick.

[NikmanGT 4,376]

On 7/26/2022 at 9:23 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

I imagine it would be much harder to implement than the current binary application. It may also be inconvenient for players to have constantly fluctuating damage numbers. 

This

Many times, you have certain situations where the freezing gets worn out by time, or stays for a certain or whole period depending on the augments. It would be very much hassle to keep different % of different damage at those points.

Hence, just keep a single situation to remove the damage at all, saves time and effort.

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 7/26/2022 at 7:33 PM, NikmanGT said:

This

Many times, you have certain situations where the freezing gets worn out by time, or stays for a certain or whole period depending on the augments. It would be very much hassle to keep different % of different damage at those points.

Hence, just keep a single situation to remove the damage at all, saves time and effort.

It seem pretty analogical to how Adrenaline is working. Not sure why it should be much of a problem.

[NikmanGT 4,376]

On 7/26/2022 at 11:06 PM, frederik123456 said:

It seem pretty analogical to how Adrenaline is working. Not sure why it should be much of a problem.

The health does not decrease proportionally, after getting hit, the health stays constant, unless you're being damaged again, if I shoot an enemy player. I will deal some constant damage, and ADR will be calculated the power of your turret on that basis, but the effect decreases gradually with time, hence the damage numbers would keep changing at every point.

[Entropy 147]

On 7/26/2022 at 6:53 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

I imagine it would be much harder to implement. 

On 7/26/2022 at 8:33 PM, NikmanGT said:

This

Many times, you have certain situations where the freezing gets worn out by time, or stays for a certain or whole period depending on the augments. It would be very much hassle to keep different % of different damage at those points.

Hence, just keep a single situation to remove the damage at all, saves time and effort.

so that's why programmers get paid isn't it?  the main factor should be perfomance, if its not laggy, so why not

implementation seems easy, they have temperature system, so you just tie damage with t, and thats it (i'm programmer believe me xd) 

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 7/26/2022 at 7:38 PM, NikmanGT said:

The health does not decrease proportionally, after getting hit, the health stays constant, unless you're being damaged again, if I shoot an enemy player. I will deal some constant damage, and ADR will be calculated the power of your turret on that basis, but the effect decreases gradually with time, hence the damage numbers would keep changing at every point.

Although I still don´t see an issue, you can always split the damage reduction to a finite number of steps. For example: 100-80% frozen = *0.5dmg,  79-60% = *0.6dmg, etc.

 

[NikmanGT 4,376]

On 7/27/2022 at 12:50 AM, frederik123456 said:

For example: 100-80% frozen = *0.5dmg,  79-60% = *0.6dmg, etc.

Yes

Rather than this, I believe devs want to keep things simple in terms of the effect.

[cybernite 93]

I think it woulld be fair to do this, since freeze is quite deadly. I think it wouldn't be too hard to add this in their code.

But if they nerf freeze status would they compensate freeze in another way? Like too bad shock freeze critical hits is removed.

In the end upto the devs....  but good suggestion here...good point

 

[DragonKnight 414]

On 7/25/2022 at 1:44 PM, Entropy said:

as the freezing status applying gradually i suggest the same gradual boosted damage reduction

what i mean: if target freezed to a half of the maximum (half of round indicator filled), so than damage reduced in a half

and vice versa when you thaw: as soon as you partially unfroze, your damage gradually restores

for now freezing is way too powerful - one puff and you have no damage at all

agreed, this must be implemented
i dont want to take freeze immune just for this, cuz there r people who use emp/ap on me

[DaringDeer 656]

It doesn't make any sense that freeze effect reduces damage.  That side effect should go away.   Everyone knows freeze has been too strong for quite a while and needs a nerf of some sort, preferably critical damage.

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

On 7/27/2022 at 10:28 AM, DaringDeer said:

It doesn't make any sense that freeze effect reduces damage.  That side effect should go away.   Everyone knows freeze has been too strong for quite a while and needs a nerf of some sort, preferably critical damage.

Do you still believe Freeze needs a nerf in its critical hit aspects? It's clear that every turret's power has been ramped up since December and every turret is now playable and powerful to some extent. Freeze received an unannounced nerf back in April where its critical hit step chance was reduced to 1%. Instead of the previous 7, 0, 7, 0, 7 scheme, it now has 7, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 which effectively reduced the critical hit rate noticeably. I found that while it was still powerful if it got the critical hit off, it would finally fall off from the absolute top with other turrets getting their buffs alongside that nerf. 

 

Does it still fell overpowered to you? 

[Entropy 147]

On 7/27/2022 at 5:28 PM, DaringDeer said:

It doesn't make any sense that freeze effect reduces damage.  That side effect should go away.   Everyone knows freeze has been too strong for quite a while and needs a nerf of some sort, preferably critical damage.

lmao, bet you're angry for freezes that easily counter your paladin+crisis? 

buff freeze more pls, at least one f2p turret that can resist op buyers

[DaringDeer 656]

On 7/27/2022 at 8:05 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Do you still believe Freeze needs a nerf in its critical hit aspects? It's clear that every turret's power has been ramped up since December and every turret is now playable and powerful to some extent. Freeze received an unannounced nerf back in April where its critical hit step chance was reduced to 1%. Instead of the previous 7, 0, 7, 0, 7 scheme, it now has 7, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 which effectively reduced the critical hit rate noticeably. I found that while it was still powerful if it got the critical hit off, it would finally fall off from the absolute top with other turrets getting their buffs alongside that nerf. 

 

Does it still fell overpowered to you? 

Still feels strong but especially when playing on accounts without armadillo.  I really haven't noticed a difference.  My problem is really with critical hit multipliers.  Any turret that has it more than 2 is a problem in my eyes.  I think that includes freeze, fire, striker, and vulcan.  With my main account and armadillo, it's not as big a factor.  It's when I try to play on other accounts that it is most frustrating.  

 

On 7/27/2022 at 8:57 PM, Entropy said:

lmao, bet you're angry for freezes that easily counter your paladin+crisis? 

buff freeze more pls, at least one f2p turret that can resist op buyers

I really wish this moronic kind of talk would die at some point.  Blame Tanki for creating the disparity between players and their equipment.  Stop being rude to people that spend some money on a game they enjoy that allows it to exist so that you can play for free.

Edited July 28, 2022 by NikmanGT
Kindly refrain from provocation

[Entropy 147]

On 7/28/2022 at 9:36 AM, DaringDeer said:

I really wish this moronic kind of talk would die at some point.  Blame Tanki for creating the disparity between players and their equipment.  Stop being rude to people that spend some money on a game they enjoy that allows it to exist so that you can play for free.

whoa what a blazing

don't worry i also paid enough to be called buyer, maybe not as much as the cost of the car, but nonetheless 

also why trolling is being rude, just teasing

Edited July 28, 2022 by Entropy

[It_Aint_Too_Late 144]

A very good solution.