What to buy? Which is better?

[cosmic666 1,055]

1 hour ago, D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S said:

I do this on a consistent basis. I don't screenshot most of my results, only the insanely good ones but I'd be happy to screenshot every result from a day of playing for you if you'd like. There's a lot more to winning games and coming first than just having a maxed garage; although it certainly helps.

Supplies are king, MUs only matter once you're on a level playing field in terms of supplies, not to mention I can cycle Hornet OD and get 50-60% charge before the damn thing runs out. At this point, if you can't beat em, join em.

All this proves is that one, or both of the following is true:

• I (me personally) don't need maxed equipment to compete in matchmaking battles against maxed Legends
• You need, or would like maxed equipment to compete in MM battles against the same Legends

And the second point is completely fine and reasonable on your behalf, I was just trying to let you know that in my opinion you should have higher expectations with that type of Garage. 

I don't use hornet i usually kill as many as i can

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

The account im talking about is FLIPSTIKS (MARSHAL)

49 hrs with Defender?  holy crap!  How you afford to get it useful that quickly?

I hope you're doing ok with that drone usage...

 

[cosmic666 1,055]

Just now, wolverine848 said:

49 hrs with Defender?  holy crap!  How you afford to get it useful that quickly?

I hope you're doing ok with that drone usage...

 

yip always top 3 had defender since captain upgraded very slowly thru the ranks been maxed out since colonel...i think, brig at most.

[wolverine848 13,097]

7 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

yip always top 3 had defender since captain upgraded very slowly thru the ranks been maxed out since colonel...i think, brig at most.

That still begs the question... why does your cosmic account have very little module usage?  There's no down-side to using a module...

[cosmic666 1,055]

9 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

That still begs the question... why does your cosmic account have very little module usage?  There's no down-side to using a module...

I have not played it for over 4 years, it was my very first account.  this is the earliest i have got when gizmo was highest rank.

Edited July 18, 2020 by cosmic666

[KamiGT 143]

11 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

To many players fall into the trap of ranking to quick and not being able to compete because of a weak garage, i'm not one of them.   

Uh I think I've mentioned this already but this hasn't been my problem ever. All that I did rank wise during this boosted period was rank to Generalissimo and then Legend. Before the time of the boost, I was already playing almost constantly in battles which had only Legend rank players. Also, I got M3s very early compared to most players because I planned my account. I got them at the rank with 3 stars, the lowest rank which was possible at the time for non-buyers (and buyers iirc). I bought three M3 kits with about 1.2 mil I had saved. This was a huge advantage because it certainly helped me get on the MUing path early and have already good gear, meaning I could dominate even more with drugs and do plenty without.

At my rank (and at my rank before the boost) it is very much worth it to play for the crystals because I can get months worth in a few weeks.

12 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

TOP 3 almost every match does not cut it for me.

Here is the main difference in how we think. I don't worry about place, I haven't ever been able to afford doing so because my only m2 hull through the mid ranks was hornet. I died a HUGE amount, and didn't worry about K/D. I spent my time grinding crystals and supplies from the much better old mission chain system. Luckily at this time Polygon CP matches were not dead, and so I played a ton of them and also Arena CPs. Long story short, I have trained myself to not worry about place. In today's game, there appear to be a large number of players which are buyers, and it is nearly impossible in some battles to get first because they have such a ridiculously high score (like +400). For this reason, I play with a moderated amount of supplies and little drone use, instead aiming for about 200 pts per battle. If I get 200, I am more than happy enough with the result.

17 hours ago, D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S said:

I probably have a worse garage than this depending on how you look at it (More Mk7s but fewer MUs) and I can consistently get top 3 on my team almost every match. Heck, I don't even use a drone and you have maxed out defender, probably the most useful/versatile one of them all.

Same thing for me, if I use supplies. Sometimes I will play largely using no supplies (just boxes) with only a few when it is very beneficial, and I am still able to get first (once in a while) or be in the top half of the team about 50% of the time. If I use a drone (mostly defender) and supplies, I can relatively easily outclass everyone in a battle without hardcore buyers, and at least compete with the super hardcore hornet-vulcan-defender-heat immunity-incendiary band crowd (I'm so sick of them). In my opinion, the main factor which decides whether I do well in a buyer filled battle is drugs and drones, but when playing with few or none of these players, in a battle with fairly normal legends, I am able to do much more with much fewer bells and whistles.

Recently, I've been approaching battles this way:

• Playing mainly for missions or stars.
• Watching my drug supply and trying to make sure I play in a way where I am always able to generate a positive amount of drugs (keep things sustainable) or at least break even. This is where my no supply habit comes in handy.
• In the horrible battles where there is a buyer who gets like 400 score in one round, I put in less effort than normal. This includes when me and said buyer are on the same team, or when they are on the enemy team. The reasoning behind doing this when they are on my team is because I sometimes get the missions where it tells me to be top 3 in the winning team.
• I don't pour supplies into losing battles.
• Let missions govern the way I play. It is so efficient to battle this way.
• After doing missions, if I still want to play I will go to a pro battle.

I don't do challenges most of the time either. The only challenge I have ever finished was the last one. I am going to go to tier 33 hopefully in this challenge to be able to get the slugger alt, as it appears to be very beneficial to getting full damage out of hammer shots (low damage per shot due to pellet spread has plagued hammer for a couple years imo, I think there was an update which did this).

8 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

FYI... modules from 45-47 are fine.  Those last 3 MUs are diminishing returns - would not invest in them unless you are maxed out on most other things.

Even going to 45 seems stupid from the standpoint of trying to take advantage of the pricing structure's weakness. When I have looked at the MU charts (which I have been doing for years because of upgrading my M3s), I realized that by going to 40% instead of 45%, you are actually saving approximately 85,000 PER MODULE. Also, MUing at 4 sales is much more attainable than 10. That would take a while. The first upgrade is negligible due to low price. The first five upgrades to get to 40% are only ~35k (after a 50% sale applied). Great price in my opinion

Also, 85k is exactly the price of the last 5 hull upgrades to get to M4 when you buy them on a 50% sale. I'd rather have a maxed out hull than 5% more protection on one module. The hull is protection against everything after all... Another thing to remember is 85k~ 100k. With 100k, you can complete the last 5 steps on a turret's MUs to get it to M4 (50% sale).

 

My opinion now is that I will get my prots all to 40% and I will try to get near completing my module collection. I think I may still max some turrets and all 3 of my chosen hulls. Upgrading a drone is a really questionable prospect to me because of the fact that at the end of the day I may just get screwed on batteries (they are hard to come buy and so expensive they aren't a great investment). All other equipment doesn't REQUIRE 6x as expensive supplies to run really well... You are roughly burning through the price of a battery every minute with all other supplies being used as fast as you can. 150 + 50 + 50 + 50 is what I mean. Not worth adding on the extra 300 plus the high price of drone MUs and whatever extra supplies said drone consumes. I only ever really find Defender "necessary" or worth using when I am trying to complete those stupid weekly missions where you must do top 3 in the winning team in 15 battles.

[KamiGT 143]

^

Also I might not get the m3 modules for Twins, mines, Striker, Isida, or Freeze. That's because all of these appear to be either underused or underpowered. Freeze is pretty weak. Mines are not a turret as far as I know. Twins appear to be underused. Isida is underpowered. Striker is underused.

[T879 151]

13 hours ago, D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S said:

 

Supplies are king, MUs only matter once you're on a level playing field in terms of supplies, not to mention I can cycle Hornet OD and get 50-60% charge before the damn thing runs out. At this point, if you can't beat em, join em.

 

Agree. A good example would be yesterday: I was playing a Parkour Battle with Hunter Mk6-10 and Smoky Mk6-10 (Autocannon Alt). There was a single player with Dictator and Smoky who was no problem to deal with. Then, the player B.umcik (WO5) joined with Hornet Mk3, Smoky Mk4 and Incendiary Rounds and killed our team.

Later he switched to Dictator Mk3 and kept using supplies and mining the entrances of the Chernobyl Map, which is why we couldn't kill him. After a while, my team left, and I had no chance to destroy him because he keeps using supplies all the time 

 

So yeah, supplies are absolutely king. I'm using supplies, too, but only for Missions, Golds and Events (and if someone's annoying a lot). I won't use supplies otherwise unless I have maxed out my Garage, which will still take a while. Until then, I will have to endure getting pwned by players with "not-so-good" equipment. That's why I actually like the EMP Alt for Gauss, as it gives Non-Druggers a fair chance to beat such people

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by T879

[cosmic666 1,055]

4 hours ago, KamiGT said:

Uh I think I've mentioned this already but this hasn't been my problem ever. All that I did rank wise during this boosted period was rank to Generalissimo and then Legend. Before the time of the boost, I was already playing almost constantly in battles which had only Legend rank players. Also, I got M3s very early compared to most players because I planned my account. I got them at the rank with 3 stars, the lowest rank which was possible at the time for non-buyers (and buyers iirc). I bought three M3 kits with about 1.2 mil I had saved. This was a huge advantage because it certainly helped me get on the MUing path early and have already good gear, meaning I could dominate even more with drugs and do plenty without.

At my rank (and at my rank before the boost) it is very much worth it to play for the crystals because I can get months worth in a few weeks.

Here is the main difference in how we think. I don't worry about place, I haven't ever been able to afford doing so because my only m2 hull through the mid ranks was hornet. I died a HUGE amount, and didn't worry about K/D. I spent my time grinding crystals and supplies from the much better old mission chain system. Luckily at this time Polygon CP matches were not dead, and so I played a ton of them and also Arena CPs. Long story short, I have trained myself to not worry about place. In today's game, there appear to be a large number of players which are buyers, and it is nearly impossible in some battles to get first because they have such a ridiculously high score (like +400). For this reason, I play with a moderated amount of supplies and little drone use, instead aiming for about 200 pts per battle. If I get 200, I am more than happy enough with the result.

Same thing for me, if I use supplies. Sometimes I will play largely using no supplies (just boxes) with only a few when it is very beneficial, and I am still able to get first (once in a while) or be in the top half of the team about 50% of the time. If I use a drone (mostly defender) and supplies, I can relatively easily outclass everyone in a battle without hardcore buyers, and at least compete with the super hardcore hornet-vulcan-defender-heat immunity-incendiary band crowd (I'm so sick of them). In my opinion, the main factor which decides whether I do well in a buyer filled battle is drugs and drones, but when playing with few or none of these players, in a battle with fairly normal legends, I am able to do much more with much fewer bells and whistles.

Recently, I've been approaching battles this way:

• Playing mainly for missions or stars.
• Watching my drug supply and trying to make sure I play in a way where I am always able to generate a positive amount of drugs (keep things sustainable) or at least break even. This is where my no supply habit comes in handy.
• In the horrible battles where there is a buyer who gets like 400 score in one round, I put in less effort than normal. This includes when me and said buyer are on the same team, or when they are on the enemy team. The reasoning behind doing this when they are on my team is because I sometimes get the missions where it tells me to be top 3 in the winning team.
• I don't pour supplies into losing battles.
• Let missions govern the way I play. It is so efficient to battle this way.
• After doing missions, if I still want to play I will go to a pro battle.

I don't do challenges most of the time either. The only challenge I have ever finished was the last one. I am going to go to tier 33 hopefully in this challenge to be able to get the slugger alt, as it appears to be very beneficial to getting full damage out of hammer shots (low damage per shot due to pellet spread has plagued hammer for a couple years imo, I think there was an update which did this).

Even going to 45 seems stupid from the standpoint of trying to take advantage of the pricing structure's weakness. When I have looked at the MU charts (which I have been doing for years because of upgrading my M3s), I realized that by going to 40% instead of 45%, you are actually saving approximately 85,000 PER MODULE. Also, MUing at 4 sales is much more attainable than 10. That would take a while. The first upgrade is negligible due to low price. The first five upgrades to get to 40% are only ~35k (after a 50% sale applied). Great price in my opinion

Also, 85k is exactly the price of the last 5 hull upgrades to get to M4 when you buy them on a 50% sale. I'd rather have a maxed out hull than 5% more protection on one module. The hull is protection against everything after all... Another thing to remember is 85k~ 100k. With 100k, you can complete the last 5 steps on a turret's MUs to get it to M4 (50% sale).

 

My opinion now is that I will get my prots all to 40% and I will try to get near completing my module collection. I think I may still max some turrets and all 3 of my chosen hulls. Upgrading a drone is a really questionable prospect to me because of the fact that at the end of the day I may just get screwed on batteries (they are hard to come buy and so expensive they aren't a great investment). All other equipment doesn't REQUIRE 6x as expensive supplies to run really well... You are roughly burning through the price of a battery every minute with all other supplies being used as fast as you can. 150 + 50 + 50 + 50 is what I mean. Not worth adding on the extra 300 plus the high price of drone MUs and whatever extra supplies said drone consumes. I only ever really find Defender "necessary" or worth using when I am trying to complete those stupid weekly missions where you must do top 3 in the winning team in 15 battles.

Nice lengthy post, what it comes down to is how well you managed your account from the very beginning leading up to legend. Not many players give this much thought for the 1st few ranks, and when it matters most at the mid to high ranks you find your account is lacking the required upgrades to compete at a good level. We all have our own ways to manage our accounts, and usually the playing style of any particular player dictates what he uses in battle, and even which maps he favours. My account is set up to do well from 2nd lieutenant all the way to legend, before that rank i save and save etc every and all supplies as much as i can, and i'm not really bothered to much about my position at the end of the battle. After that rank i play to be as high up the leaderboard as i can, and will use my drone to full effect which i always upgrade 2 steps straight away as it helps out big time at the low ranks. The other thing i also ALWAYS do is skip buying certain mk combos hulls/turrets/protections,as at the lower ranks right up to major it's a waste of crystals/cash. I aim for mk5/6 at the rank of captain/lieutenant colonel all the while steadily upgrading my drone which helps out a lot until i can get decent mk protections. Of course cash plays a big part in having a strong account through all the ranks, which is why i am methodical in making sure i never ever rank to quickly. as like most players there is no way i could buy my way through all the different stages at various ranks to compete at the level i want to maintain. All in all it's down to the individual player what he considers is a reasonable effort in any given battle regardless of his rank. I have personally put in a lot of time, effort, and patience (and some cash) into this account and expect with my level of skill and experience no less than a top 2 in every battle i go into (winning side) 1st (losing side).This is what i aim for when i start a new account and my methods for making sure i always have a good score in any battle i go into have helped me to do this through the ranks to my present rank (marshal). The last challenge i done on my marshal account was the 2nd june challenge, after that i only done missions and then i quit for the day. Now i don't even bother with missions and am prepared to wait as long as it takes before i start playing again on my fav account. The unbalanced nature of TO and the very high prices in the shop cash/crystals dictates how i play, what ranks i am prepared to battle against, and even what maps i play on. Such is the demanding nature of TO that in order to do well in battle all these variables (IN MY OPINION) have to be considered. A bit long winded but this is what i do, to do as well as i possibly can in all battles through all the ranks from 2nd lieutenant onwards. At the end of the day each to their own.

This i believe is the last time i played this account on 7/7/20 to complete a mission. Notice the major on blue team MM at it's most balanced,though he done ok for his rank i must admit. 

[cosmic666 1,055]

3 hours ago, T879 said:

Agree. A good example would be yesterday: I was playing a Parkour Battle with Hunter Mk6-10 and Smoky Mk6-10 (Autocannon Alt). There was a single player with Dictator and Smoky who was no problem to deal with. Then, the player B.umcik (WO5) joined with Hornet Mk3, Smoky Mk4 and Incendiary Rounds and killed our team.

Later he switched to Dictator Mk3 and kept using supplies and mining the entrances of the Chernobyl Map, which is why we couldn't kill him. After a while, my team left, and I had no chance to destroy him because he keeps using supplies all the time 

 

So yeah, supplies are absolutely king. I'm using supplies, too, but only for Missions, Golds and Events (and if someone's annoying a lot). I won't use supplies otherwise unless I have maxed out my Garage, which will still take a while. Until then, I will have to endure getting pwned by players with "not-so-good" equipment. That's why I actually like the EMP Alt for Gauss, as it gives Non-Druggers a fair chance to beat such people

 

Unless they have the emp immunity alt then your stuffed.

[cosmic666 1,055]

This is what i spend any spare crystals on ...i get batteries whenever i can on sale.

I only ever get these with cry, never tankoins.... NEVER. I always keep about 40/50,000 cry for stuff like this,it's the sensible option and helps out lots in maintaining a decent level of batteries for your drone.

Edited July 19, 2020 by cosmic666

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

4 hours ago, T879 said:

That's why I actually like the EMP Alt for Gauss, as it gives Non-Druggers a fair chance to beat such people

Sorry, do you actually think it's balanced? Along with being for the turret that simultaneously outperforms 6 others in the process, EMP Salvo is more ridiculous than Incendiary Band paired with Heat Immunity. A mini Hunter-OD at all ranges with no such effect to yourself in the process while also receiving several major buffs in exchange for only a tiny fraction of your sniping damage is far, far from balanced.

16 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Unless they have the emp immunity alt then your stuffed.

I'll be making sure to equip that.

3 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

This is what i spend any spare crystals on ...i get batteries whenever i can on sale.

I only ever get these with cry, never tankoins.... NEVER. 

Good. Always snatch those battery packs whenever you can - they are crucial in maintaining your survival at high ranks.

[cosmic666 1,055]

All done, and yeah you are deff right.

Gotta admit though ARSENAL is bit to much half that price would have been fairer and no doubt you would sell more to.

Edited July 19, 2020 by cosmic666

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

7 hours ago, KamiGT said:

^

Also I might not get the m3 modules for Twins, mines, Striker, Isida, or Freeze. That's because all of these appear to be either underused or underpowered. Freeze is pretty weak. Mines are not a turret as far as I know. Twins appear to be underused. Isida is underpowered. Striker is underused.

Consider the Twins, Striker, and Freeze modules. I have Freeze 50 on one account and Striker 50 on another and they both are amazing. Twins might not be that huge of a necessity, but it'll definitely help when you need it to.

[cosmic666 1,055]

1 minute ago, Tidebreaker said:

Consider the Twins, Striker, and Freeze modules. I have Freeze 50 on one account and Striker 50 on another and they both are amazing. Twins might not be that huge of a necessity, but it'll definitely help when you need it to.

Quick question do you think what i said in my long post made sense....it does to me.

[cosmic666 1,055]

Tidebreaker lol an even quicker reply, don't blame you i do go on a bit   .

[cosmic666 1,055]

One last tip, do not use these unless you really have to, the higher the rank the better reward you get which is why i wait till legend rank.  

 

 

[cosmic666 1,055]

This is what you can do if you manage your account in a smart way. This is my main which i no longer play as it does not have any hull alts, and i refuse to buy any because i think they are way overpriced. My main is maxed out including my fav drone, but without any hull alts forget it, it's just not gonna happen. 

Cosmic is not my main by way. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Sacrifice
Please avoid the usage of Upper Case Letters

[E_polypterus 2,374]

4 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

This is what you can do if you manage your account in a smart way. This is my main which i no longer play as it does not have any hull alts, and i REFUSE to buy any because i think they are way overpriced. My main is maxed out including my fav drone, but without any HULL  ALTS forget it, it's just not gonna happen. 

COSMIC IS NOT MY MAIN BY WAY.

U didn’t buy any supplies? That’s very conservative if so, when mm started I had over 1 or 2 k of each supply now going on 100s: (

[cosmic666 1,055]

31 minutes ago, E_polypterus said:

U didn’t buy any supplies? That’s very conservative if so, when mm started I had over 1 or 2 k of each supply now going on 100s: (

I saved up all my weekly containers, but i did buy supplies for cash and crystals at the lower ranks and always got them in sales.

[wolverine848 13,097]

9 hours ago, KamiGT said:

^

Also I might not get the m3 modules for Twins, mines, Striker, Isida, or Freeze. That's because all of these appear to be either underused or underpowered. Freeze is pretty weak. Mines are not a turret as far as I know. Twins appear to be underused. Isida is underpowered. Striker is underused.

Buy them 1 at a time when sales are 35% or better.  Get mines last.  I think I have mk4 or something... not in a rush to improve the spider module.    I use Isida module more often in pro-battles where Isida are way more valuable - and thus somewhat more popular.

[Sacrifice 2,278]

2 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

Tidebreaker lol an even quicker reply, don't blame you i do go on a bit   .

In case you are unaware how to 'ping' people on forum:

- Type '@'

- Start typing nickname of the person

- Select from the list.

So, @Tidebreaker

 

[cosmic666 1,055]

@Tidebreaker  @At_Shin  @wolverine848   LOL you learn something new every day, how noob have i been  @cosmic666   TOTAL PLONKER. @Sacrifice  ALMOST FORGOT YOU.

Edited July 19, 2020 by cosmic666

[KamiGT 143]

11 hours ago, T879 said:

So yeah, supplies are absolutely king. I'm using supplies, too, but only for Missions, Golds and Events (and if someone's annoying a lot).

I agree also. They straight up double the parameters, not just provide about a 10% advantage or whatever MUs might. It is becoming increasingly important to be careful with them.

8 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

Nice lengthy post, what it comes down to is how well you managed your account from the very beginning leading up to legend. Not many players give this much thought for the 1st few ranks, and when it matters most at the mid to high ranks you find your account is lacking the required upgrades to compete at a good level. At the end of the day each to their own. 

I am a long winded person. I put a lot of thought into my account from day 1, even though this was my first account ever, because I quickly recognized the game required careful planning to maximize ROI. That was still the case like ~7 years ago I think.

11 hours ago, T879 said:

That's why I actually like the EMP Alt for Gauss, as it gives Non-Druggers a fair chance to beat such people.

I hate this alt with a passion. Sure it gives non-druggers a chance, but it costs $50, and who can afford to drop that on one stupid alt. This makes it so the only people who have it are the same dumb buyers anyway... Not the people who could put it to its best use and would truly rely on it. If it was in containers and I got it, I would definitely buy Gauss because it takes it to a whole new level. I think it is quite unfair. Games should only paywall cosmetics, not things which enhance the gameplay itself. That ruins it for everyone who can't keep up with paying. Crystal buying is OK, because you are still limited by rank on what you can purchase. Shop kits should be returned to the garage because this too ruins the experience for the typical player.

6 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

Sorry, do you actually think it's balanced? Along with being for the turret that simultaneously outperforms 6 others in the process, EMP Salvo is more ridiculous than Incendiary Band paired with Heat Immunity. A mini Hunter-OD at all ranges with no such effect to yourself in the process while also receiving several major buffs in exchange for only a tiny fraction of your sniping damage is far, far from balanced.

I agree completely!
 

[KamiGT 143]

6 hours ago, Tidebreaker said:

Consider the Twins, Striker, and Freeze modules. I have Freeze 50 on one account and Striker 50 on another and they both are amazing. Twins might not be that huge of a necessity, but it'll definitely help when you need it to.

Probably will do Striker. Freeze is uncommon enough, so if I do it it will come last. Twins I won't do cause I have a 25% prot already.

5 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Buy them 1 at a time when sales are 35% or better.  Get mines last.  I think I have mk4 or something... not in a rush to improve the spider module.    I use Isida module more often in pro-battles where Isida are way more valuable - and thus somewhat more popular.

I would buy one at a time, but more realistically I will just skip a lower sale and go for the next 50% to buy everything at once. Nothing beats them anyway, so I'd probably be able to pick up an extra item for that added 10-15% after all is said and done.

 

 

I just was put in a battle which demonstrates my supply use theory. The enemy team had two hornets, one with rail and the large caliber alt, and one with vulcan incendiary. It was CTF, and we lost 1-5. They each got +400 score, and both had GS of +9000. I didn't use any supplies, it would have been an absolute waste. Managed to get a score of 90.

Edited July 19, 2020 by KamiGT