Fix the tanks that fly

[TargetXAcquired 277]

On 7/5/2023 at 1:00 PM, Spy said:

Then I'm afraid the problem is on your side 

 Whatever.

 

On 7/5/2023 at 1:00 PM, Spy said:

Not much of a point having a discussion if the other side can't read and then reply properly to the other party's messages

Definition of the word "cheat" In relation to this game:- To win by unfair and illegal means. 

Lets break it down shall we. Unfair= Amongst other characteristic's, the ability to engage overdrive to single handedly win the battle. 

Illegal:- Back in the day If a tracked hull behaved the way these floating trash cans did, no doubt the players in question would be banned for cheating. The devs made what was once considered "hacking" a legal mechanic of their hated floating hulls.

There you go, definition explained and without the need to refer to whatever you googled.

On 7/5/2023 at 1:00 PM, Spy said:

I would "back the players up" if I were to agree with what you said,

 Even the most sedate/moderate of forum posters agree way more with me than they do with you when it comes to the floating trash cans and the "HUGE ADVANTAGE" they have over there tracked, "legal" counterparts. 

 

On 7/5/2023 at 5:51 PM, Akame said:

A lot of the time, most complete noobs just play tdm, they hardly are of use unless they hit hard and at the right time

That would take smarts, which they clearly do not have.

[Akame 4,578]

On 7/5/2023 at 11:57 PM, TargetXAcquired said:

 

Lets break it down shall we. Unfair= Amongst other characteristic's, the ability to engage overdrive to single handedly win the battle. 

 

I think the word you are looking for here, is META?

[Spy 14,694]

On 7/6/2023 at 1:57 AM, TargetXAcquired said:

Definition of the word "cheat" In relation to this game:- To win by unfair and illegal means. 

Lets break it down shall we. Unfair= Amongst other characteristic's, the ability to engage overdrive to single handedly win the battle. 

Illegal:- Back in the day If a tracked hull behaved the way these floating trash cans did, no doubt the players in question would be banned for cheating. The devs made what was once considered "hacking" a legal mechanic of their hated floating hulls.

There you go, definition explained and without the need to refer to whatever you googled.

Is it considered to act dishonestly if a player decides to equip a hull that has a better overdrive? Is it unfair? Do all players have the play the game according to how TargetXAcquired wants them to play it? The answer is no,

Tracked hulls ≠ Hovering hulls. You cannot expect them to behave the same way. Whether they fit into the game or not is a different matter.

[alkyng 3,080]

On 7/5/2023 at 4:32 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

 

I played a battle with Hornet and Hopper, Hopper still react with impact force just way, way better than Hornet. My aim go away with Hornet everytime I take an impact force. Sorrily test server isn't open to record a test video.

For bending over clips, you're right HOPPER can no longer be straight over cliffs like chad. I would like to describe that hull better as our old Cosmic666 was describing it, but the suppressing here just prevent me.

On 7/6/2023 at 1:57 AM, TargetXAcquired said:

Illegal:- Back in the day If a tracked hull behaved the way these floating trash cans did, no doubt the players in question would be banned for cheating. The devs made what was once considered "hacking" a legal mechanic of their hated floating hulls.

You're right, you just know English better. They have just violated many of their rules. In example, before releasing Hopper, there were prohibited areas that just self-destruct you when you enter them, they were mostly the top of buildings/walls. Which were very annoying especially in Highways map.. After releasing the jumping tank, they have opened every prohibited area for it to lark and have fun around

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 7/6/2023 at 6:06 AM, firety31 said:

For bending over clips, you're right HOPPER can no longer be straight over cliffs like chad. 

ALL of them can't anymore. As I said previously, they need high speed to counter it depending on how high they jump from. 

[Positive 1,137]

Yeah I think hovering hulls bypass too many obstacles and difficulties that were originally designed to limit or discommode movement of the original, non hovering hull. Back when flying hulls wasn't even an idea.

And besides, hovering hulls don't even fit the definition of the titel of the game. Tank:  a heavy armoured fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.  

[TargetXAcquired 277]

On 7/6/2023 at 4:30 AM, Akame said:

I think the word you are looking for here, is META?

Erm nope i'm not actually.

[Akame 4,578]

On 7/7/2023 at 8:11 PM, TargetXAcquired said:

Erm nope i'm not actually.

Then you would be trolling.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 7/5/2023 at 12:55 PM, Spy said:

There's no such thing as 'legal cheat'. You can find the definition of the word cheat below;

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Hol' up, i say, hol' up.

Well, i would argue that cheating legally is indeed possible because by definition, it is possible to act unfairly while not doing anything illegal. 

For example, most hovering hulls can glitch through tanks when running head-on towards other tanks; something most tracked can't do.

Another example would be camping, which is an unfair practice but still legal.

Gotcha or not?

[Spy 14,694]

On 7/8/2023 at 1:50 PM, Assasin-TO said:

For example, most hovering hulls can glitch through tanks when running head-on towards other tanks; something most tracked can't do

Tracked hulls can do it too so this point is invalid.

On 7/8/2023 at 1:50 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Another example would be camping, which is an unfair practice but still legal.

Since when is camping a form of cheating? Camping is fair it's just seen as a boring strategy by the community.

Gotcha or not?

[DefkwargX 152]

On 7/8/2023 at 4:27 PM, Spy said:

Tracked hulls can do it too so this point is invalid.

Re-read my sentence, omg.

 

On 7/8/2023 at 2:50 PM, Assasin-TO said:

most hovering hulls can glitch through tanks when running head-on towards other tanks; something most tracked can't do.

Nearly every hovering hull can do that but only some tracked hulls can do it. Ever tried to glitch through a tank with wasp, hornet, viking, titan, etc? Pretty impossible, right? Only dictator and hunter can do it relatively consistently. Notice the use of the word ''most'' in my sentence. Hence, this point is valid

 

On 7/8/2023 at 4:27 PM, Spy said:

Since when is camping a form of cheating? Camping is fair it's just seen as a boring strategy by the community.

Since when? Dude, asks anyone from the XP/BP community (excluding you) about this practice, or make a poll on your youtube channel to see whether or not this practice is fair. It surprises me that you, as an XP/BP player uttered this sentence. The word camper is nearly always used with a negative connotation. Prove me wrong?

 

On 7/8/2023 at 4:27 PM, Spy said:

Gotcha or not?

How i wish you did.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Assasin-TO

[Deceptive-Hope_EN.PL 162]

On 7/5/2023 at 10:55 AM, Spy said:

There's no such thing as 'legal cheat'. You can find the definition of the word cheat below;

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You're completely wrong. In this game Hopper's OD is like a legal jump cheat/hack, literally. You know how it's OverDrive works? If no then check the quote below.

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Its overdrive doesn't just stun and set fire to enemy tanks, but also tosses «Hopper» up in the air so it can jump over obstacles.

That "hull" can create a "legal hack/cheat combo". Hopper with Boosted Speed while having fully upgraded Crisis is literally like a speed cheater/hacker but legal. 

Am I right or am I right?  

Prove me wrong if you disagree hah 

[Spy 14,694]

On 7/8/2023 at 4:29 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Nearly every hovering hull can do that but only some tracked hulls can do it. Ever tried to glitch through a tank with wasp, hornet, viking, titan, etc? Pretty impossible, right? Only dictator and hunter can do it relatively consistently. Notice the use of the word ''most'' in my sentence. Hence, this point is valid

It's more than possible, I'll attach a video in the upcoming days.

On 7/8/2023 at 4:29 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Since when? Dude, asks anyone from the XP/BP community (excluding you) about this practice, or make a poll on your youtube channel to see whether or not this practice is fair. It surprises me that you, as an XP/BP player uttered this sentence. The word camper is nearly always used with a negative connotation. Prove me wrong?

Negative connotation ≠ cheating. Please, don't try to lecture me about XP/BP. It has never been considered as cheating, just a boring strategy.

On 7/8/2023 at 7:46 PM, Deceptive-Hope_EN.PL said:

You're completely wrong. In this game Hopper's OD is like a legal jump cheat/hack, literally. You know how it's OverDrive works? If no then check the quote below.

That "hull" can create a "legal hack/cheat combo". Hopper with Boosted Speed while having fully upgraded Crisis is literally like a speed cheater/hacker but legal. 

Hack/cheat would imply that one uses a third party software to make the hull act in a way it shouldn't, whereas its overdrive allows you to do something that wasn't possible before. If we use your logic, almost anything that's currently in the game is "legal hack", which, as you can see, is wrong.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 7/5/2023 at 8:00 AM, Spy said:

Not much of a point having a discussion if the other side can't read and then reply properly to the other party's messages.

One could have an opinion that this line of thought could also apply to the 'questions to the developers' thread...

[Son_Goku 514]

On 7/8/2023 at 3:29 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Nearly every hovering hull can do that but only some tracked hulls can do it. Ever tried to glitch through a tank with wasp, hornet, viking, titan, etc? Pretty impossible, right? Only dictator and hunter can do it relatively consistently. Notice the use of the word ''most'' in my sentence. Hence, this point is valid

Come on, XP/BP is an absolute lag fiesta where blocking people is literally impossible. Everyone just climbs over you or even dead tanks. I am a low ping XP/BP player, and people always glitch through me, no matter if I use Hornet or Wasp. Have to admit that using Hornet does seem to make it a bit easier to glitch through others, though.

 

On 7/8/2023 at 3:29 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Since when? Dude, asks anyone from the XP/BP community (excluding you) about this practice, or make a poll on your youtube channel to see whether or not this practice is fair. It surprises me that you, as an XP/BP player uttered this sentence. The word camper is nearly always used with a negative connotation. Prove me wrong?

I wouldn't say that camping is cheating either. Personally, I consider things like selfing and so on as cheating in XP/BP, but camping is sadly, just a valid strategy. Blame the game, not the players

[NikmanGT 4,362]

On 7/9/2023 at 1:13 AM, Jeers4U said:

One could have an opinion that this line of thought could also apply to the 'questions to the developers' thread...

Are you 100% confident that questions from that thread aren't picked up, yes the Blitz QnA frequency is reduced as compared to the past, but the questions are being transferred and read by the people as well. Not even this, question from other social platforms as well.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 7/8/2023 at 10:30 PM, Spy said:

Negative connotation ≠ cheating. Please, don't try to lecture me about XP/BP. It has never been considered as cheating, just a boring strategy.

I used the definition that you provided, which states that to cheat means 'to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage in a game or examination'. Going by your logic, camping is cheating as it is an unfair practice and dishonest, because then one player is forced to always make the first move, thus exposing him. 

In fact: 
Negative connotation denotes an unfair or dishonest act, which is cheating.

 

On 7/8/2023 at 10:30 PM, Spy said:

Negative connotation ≠ cheating. Please, don't try to lecture me about XP/BP. It has never been considered as cheating, just a boring strategy.

As i said, camping has always been regarded as an unfair or dishonest practice by most xp/bp players, It has and is always seen to be more than 'just a boring strategy'. Make a poll on your youtube channel to see, fellow tanker.



Let's take another example, such as the stability and maneuverability of tanks in this game. Hovering hulls provide a maneuverability that tracked hulls don't. This is something well known, as mobile users often prefer to use hovering hulls because they are easier to move into different positions. Same goes for the stability of hovering hulls. If a wasp is driving in a big circular path at full speed and receives a shot from railgun, coming from the center of the circle, it is highly likely that it will get flipped. However, in the case of hopper, it is highly unlikely that it will get flipped.
Therefore, it can concluded that hovering hulls provide some kind of unfair advantage over tracked hulls and hence, using hovering hulls is indeed a form of 'legal cheat' because one acts unfairly in order to play better when one uses hovering hulls (hovering hulls provide an unfair advantage over tracked ones -> Using hovering hulls makes you act unfairly because you have an unfair advantage -> hence, you are cheating).

 

On 7/8/2023 at 10:30 PM, Spy said:

It's more than possible, I'll attach a video in the upcoming days.

The rate at which hovering hulls glitch through tanks is more than that of tracked hulls, from my personal experience.

 

My point is that the definition of 'cheat' that you provided is too vague and can be used to make the case for seemingly impossible cases.

 

On 7/9/2023 at 9:47 AM, Son_Goku said:

Come on, XP/BP is an absolute lag fiesta where blocking people is literally impossible. Everyone just climbs over you or even dead tanks. I am a low ping XP/BP player, and people always glitch through me, no matter if I use Hornet or Wasp. Have to admit that using Hornet does seem to make it a bit easier to glitch through others, though.

You can use the back of your hull to block tanks. Try it as soon as possible. It is insanely difficult to glitch through tanks from the back. The same applies for dead tanks that rest upright on the floor. However, i do agree that during really close encounters, tanks glitch through each other.

 

On 7/9/2023 at 9:47 AM, Son_Goku said:

I wouldn't say that camping is cheating either. Personally, I consider things like selfing and so on as cheating in XP/BP, but camping is sadly, just a valid strategy. Blame the game, not the players

This paragraph of yours leads us to one obvious question: Where do you draw the line that considers selfing as cheating but not camping? Using our fellow tanker's definition, both of them are considered as cheating.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Assasin-TO
Misunderstood someone

[Spy 14,694]

On 7/9/2023 at 9:53 AM, Assasin-TO said:

I used the definition that you provided, which states that to cheat means 'to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage in a game or examination'. Going by your logic, camping is cheating as it is an unfair practice and dishonest, because then one player is forced to always make the first move, thus exposing him. 
In fact: 
Negative connotation denotes an unfair or dishonest act, which is cheating.
As i said, camping has always been regarded as an unfair or dishonest practice by most xp/bp players, It has and is always seen to be more than 'just a boring strategy'. Make a poll on your youtube channel to see, fellow tanker.

Camping isn't cheating, it's just another play style. One can be aggressive and another player can be a camper. The reason why camping is seen as a negative act is because you take less risks when playing, some would say it's the best way to win your battles. Now, is it cheating? Nope, not even close. Is it fun? I'd say it's not as fun, but cheating? Nope.

[mrvomit 106]

Forced matters about meaning of words aside , there's just the neverending  balance changing  .
Hovers  are a thing .. but expecially Paladin honestly  is a bit too outrageus , though  fopr whatever reason mentioned is  really too much ,too "universal" with no drawbacks   .

You can  win battle anyway? Yes , with a good team  , but that does not remove the topic in any way
...  like expressing that very sentence  actually , since devs introduced the most silly battle  interface ever and NO ONE did even like ( at least not aware of ) and yet still is  ( though i do not even look at that anymore since i cannot grasp it at all for any use)  . Just take for what it is  , and leave battles you dont like  to be  .. game not gonna change anytime soon , IT'S  lesson learned a lot of time ago.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 7/9/2023 at 2:27 PM, Spy said:

Camping isn't cheating, it's just another play style. One can be aggressive and another player can be a camper. The reason why camping is seen as a negative act is because you take less risks when playing, some would say it's the best way to win your battles. Now, is it cheating? Nope, not even close. Is it fun? I'd say it's not as fun, but cheating? Nope.

Ah, dear fellow tanker, i just explained how camping, by your definition, is equal to cheating.

 

On 7/9/2023 at 10:53 AM, Assasin-TO said:

I used the definition that you provided, which states that to cheat means 'to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage in a game or examination'. Going by your logic, camping is cheating as it is an unfair practice and dishonest, because then one player is forced to always make the first move, thus exposing him. 

I won't argue anymore because i feel like your responses are AI-generated at this point. I explained clearly, why your definition of the word 'cheat' is not enough, and the least that you can do is to add the remaining definitions of this word but you still don't recognise its vagueness. If you don't change it or if you aren't cautious enough in the future, such a  vague definition can give rise to ambiguities.

[Spy 14,694]

On 7/9/2023 at 2:48 PM, Assasin-TO said:

Ah, dear fellow tanker, i just explained how camping, by your definition, is equal to cheating.

No, you didn't. Your explanation is that camping is considered cheating because you consider camping as an act of dishonestly, however you're the only one who actually considers it as such, all the experienced XP/BP players don't consider it as such.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 7/9/2023 at 6:40 PM, Spy said:

No, you didn't. Your explanation is that camping is considered cheating because you consider camping as an act of dishonestly, however you're the only one who actually considers it as such, all the experienced XP/BP players don't consider it as such.

I feel obliged to respond to this:

On 7/9/2023 at 10:53 AM, Assasin-TO said:

As i said, camping has always been regarded as an unfair or dishonest practice by most xp/bp players, It has and is always seen to be more than 'just a boring strategy'. Make a poll on your youtube channel to see, fellow tanker.

For the last time (really), I will answer you on this thread:

I consider camping as more of an unfair practice than as a dishonest one.  

Let's take your definition once again:
To 'act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.' 

Notice the use of the word 'or' in your definition. From what we can deduce, as soon as you fulfill one of these two conditions (either act dishonestly or act unfairly), to gain an advantage, you are cheating. 

[Notice that I used the word 'or' too].

Now, for the (I forgot the number)th time, I'm telling you that camping provides the camper with an unfair advantage, as the other player (unless he is a camper too) will be forced to nearly always make the first move, thus exposing him to the camper's shots each time he does so. Therefore, as the camper is playing in a way that gives him an unfair advantage, he is acting unfairly, and if he acts unfairly, then he is cheating, by your, your and YOUR definition that you provided, word for word.

As one of the two conditions have been fulfilled, camping is considered by your definition as 'acting unfairly' and therefore as cheating.


Now for the other condition:

. I sincerely think that you're mistaken here. I don't even need to confirm it. I think that many, if not most experienced xp/bp players consider camping as an act of dishonesty. You can make a poll on your channel to see or you can ask anyone in any tanki chat or server about this. 

Can't understand why you can't understand me.

[Spy 14,694]

On 7/9/2023 at 7:30 PM, Assasin-TO said:

 

Camping is fair, if you're a good player you can counter it, simple as that. Your point doesn't stand, that's all.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 7/9/2023 at 2:17 AM, NikmanGT said:

Are you 100% confident that questions from that thread aren't picked up, yes the Blitz QnA frequency is reduced as compared to the past, but the questions are being transferred and read by the people as well. Not even this, question from other social platforms as well.

Read Spy's statement again.

Simply 'reading' or 'picking up' a question does not imply 'responding properly'.

As Spy stated.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

On 7/9/2023 at 11:15 PM, Jeers4U said:

Simply 'reading' or 'picking up' a question does not imply 'responding properly'.

Exactly, hence the most hot topic "keys" were taken into consideration from different platforms regarding the Game and the questions from the community were answered in the next vlog to clear the doubts.

Nobody knows the pattern and frequency of questions that are taken and answered by Developers, but it's a fact that the questions are read and answered when necessary.