esports Winter eSports TankiFund 2023

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 12/4/2023 at 11:42 AM, Gabku said:

He said "without buying". You have to pay for premium too. Tanki gives a day once in a while but that's not enough to get 10k.

Play 20 hours a day instead of 10 lol.

You need to play around 10 hours a day with prem to get 10k stars

[Showbot 819]

We are reaching approximately number 17 if we dont speed up

[Tekken 374]

On 12/5/2023 at 8:25 PM, Showbot said:

We are reaching approximately number 17 if we dont speed up

Too bad it wont reach Hunter GT thats actually best skin from this fund and it looks good 

[Gabku 194]

On 12/4/2023 at 1:32 PM, Kimura said:

Play 20 hours a day instead of 10 lol.

You need to play around 10 hours a day with prem to get 10k stars

And here I was, being told I have no life for suggesting that playing 30 minutes a day is the minimum...

 

On 12/6/2023 at 1:06 AM, Tekken8 said:

Too bad it wont reach Hunter GT thats actually best skin from this fund and it looks good 

I hope ya'll know they will just add the same paints, same skins, same augments to the next fund as well. They have already done the "work" so they won't just yeet it out the window and call it a day. If we don't manage to flush the bad stuff out this time, it will just welcome us in the next fund...like it did in this one. They Do Not Care!

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/5/2023 at 10:41 PM, Gabku said:

hope ya'll know they will just add the same paints, same skins, same augments to the next fund as well. They have already done the "work" so they won't just yeet it out the window and call it a day. If we don't manage to flush the bad stuff out this time, it will just welcome us in the next fund...like it did in this one. They Do Not Care!

That's fine. The devs can keep their content to themselves.

All they're doing is shooting themselves in the foot.

If they wanted to pawn this stuff onto us, they could start by putting some of the mono paints in the challenges (not replacing current rewards but simply adding on).

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 12/6/2023 at 8:41 AM, Gabku said:

And here I was, being told I have no life for suggesting that playing 30 minutes a day is the minimum...

 

Minimum should be 0 minutes a day. You play as much as you want. There is no minimum playtime. Because if there is then its not playing a game its working a job.

[Gabku 194]

On 12/6/2023 at 1:26 PM, Kimura said:

Minimum should be 0 minutes a day. You play as much as you want. There is no minimum playtime. Because if there is then its not playing a game its working a job.

Yes you play as much as you want, no problem with that. But there is a minimum if you want to get as much Tankoins as possible. This is what I said the last time too, and that if people don't want to put in the minimum effort then they should bot complain about not having enough Tankoins.

 

On 12/6/2023 at 8:27 AM, PirateSpider said:

If they wanted to pawn this stuff onto us, they could start by putting some of the mono paints in the challenges (not replacing current rewards but simply adding on).

That is actually a good idea, I wouldn't mind it in the challenges either. Then at least people would not take the fun away from others by not contributing.

On 12/6/2023 at 8:27 AM, PirateSpider said:

That's fine. The devs can keep their content to themselves.

All they're doing is shooting themselves in the foot.

They truly do not lose anything by us not reaching the final rewards, buyers pay for the bundles either way. The only people who lose out are the e-sport gamers who will be receiving 10% of the fund, but then again they get money for winning so doubt they care too much...plus most of them are probably STACKED with Tankoins anyway lol

[krokorok 837]

On 12/6/2023 at 3:33 PM, Gabku said:

Then at least people would not take the fun away from others by not contributing.

Nobody is taking away fun from others because nobody owes theirs participation to anyone else regardless of how profitable or not it is. 

[Gabku 194]

On 12/6/2023 at 4:41 PM, krokorok said:

Nobody is taking away fun from others because nobody owes theirs participation to anyone else regardless of how profitable or not it is. 

It is ment to be a "group project". The more people taking part the better it gets. And contrary to that: the less people take part, the worse it gets.

So yes they absolutely do take the fun away from others. 

It's true that nobody owes anybody anything, but just like with everything in life, people are gonna criticize you for refusing teamwork!

[krokorok 837]

On 12/6/2023 at 7:44 PM, Gabku said:

It is ment to be a "group project". The more people taking part the better it gets. And contrary to that: the less people take part, the worse it gets.

So yes they absolutely do take the fun away from others. 

It's true that nobody owes anybody anything, but just like with everything in life, people are gonna criticize you for refusing teamwork!

You are trying to sell this as some obligatory group project that everybody has to take part in just to satisfy your need to have fun. If you dont have fun, that is your problem, as you yourself signed under it by making that conscious decision to purchase the cat in the bag. Dont blame others for not sharing your definition of fun. They are not obligated to satisfy your need for this fund to succeed.

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

@Gabku The only reason your whining on about the fund is because you entered it.

The more that take part, the better it is for you.

You have no one but you to blame for your involvement in a below par "useless" fund.

You would think that "FIXING" the game of all it's glitches and long term problems was more viable than wasting time on a non starter like this useless fund.

The devs thrive on players like you who big up their useless events.

Engage brain and see them and their fund what they really are.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/6/2023 at 10:44 AM, Gabku said:

It is ment to be a "group project". The more people taking part the better it gets. And contrary to that: the less people take part, the worse it gets.

Actually it doesn't get worse. Just progresses more slowly.

On 12/6/2023 at 10:44 AM, Gabku said:

So yes they absolutely do take the fun away from others. 

So just because the devs decided to keep the 50 tiers and the crappy rewards, players are now expected to participate?

And if they don't participate, the blame falls solely on them because the fund didn't reach a desired tier goal?

On 12/6/2023 at 10:44 AM, Gabku said:

It's true that nobody owes anybody anything, but just like with everything in life, people are gonna criticize you for refusing teamwork!

Much rather make my own choice than be a yes man. If I were to be a yes man, I might as well always respond with " yes daddy".

[Gabku 194]

On 12/7/2023 at 2:53 AM, PirateSpider said:

Actually it doesn't get worse. Just progresses more slowly.

There is a time limit. If they made it so that nobody gets anything until we reach level 50, I would no care I can be patient if it's guaranteed that at some point we will get some good rewards. But since we only got a month from the start, it matters how fast we progress, I'm sure you can see why.

 

On 12/7/2023 at 2:53 AM, PirateSpider said:

So just because the devs decided to keep the 50 tiers and the crappy rewards, players are now expected to participate?

And if they don't participate, the blame falls solely on them because the fund didn't reach a desired tier goal?

Yes, and also yes.

[Romantically 282]

On 12/6/2023 at 7:44 PM, Gabku said:

It is ment to be a "group project". The more people taking part the better it gets. And contrary to that: the less people take part, the worse it gets.

So yes they absolutely do take the fun away from others. 

It's true that nobody owes anybody anything, but just like with everything in life, people are gonna criticize you for refusing teamwork!

The player who buys the fund bundle knows the risk, it's their responsibility to manage their tankoins and how they spend them, I bought this fund just for chance to win some TK and few containers with anything extra being just extra bonus

 

On 12/7/2023 at 10:19 AM, Gabku said:

There is a time limit. If they made it so that nobody gets anything until we reach level 50, I would no care I can be patient if it's guaranteed that at some point we will get some good rewards. But since we only got a month from the start, it matters how fast we progress, I'm sure you can see why.

Might aswell not make any fund because nobody would buy into it

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/7/2023 at 1:19 AM, Gabku said:

There is a time limit. If they made it so that nobody gets anything until we reach level 50, I would no care I can be patient if it's guaranteed that at some point we will get some good rewards. But since we only got a month from the start, it matters how fast we progress, I'm sure you can see why.

I don't think you realize what you are asking the remaining player base to do. 

The bundles are as follows:

Small -> costs 990 tankoins -> adds 1000 tankoins to the fund (one time offer)

Medium -> costs 2990 tankoins -> adds 1500 tankoins to the fund (multiple time offer)

Large -> costs 19990 tankoins - adds 1000 tankoins to the fund (one time offer)

 

Just to reach 1 tier, the medium bundle would have to be bought 667 times and 1,994,330 tankoins would have to be spent.

And if we multiply that by 20 it comes out to be 39,886,600 tankoins.

At tier 30, the player base would have to spend 59,829,900 tankoins.

That means 50 tiers would cost a wallet murdering 99,716,500 tankoins.

And to reach tier 50, the medium bundle would have to be purchased 33,350 times.

[Gabku 194]

On 12/8/2023 at 2:56 AM, PirateSpider said:

I don't think you realize what you are asking the remaining player base to do. 

The bundles are as follows:

Small -> costs 990 tankoins -> adds 1000 tankoins to the fund (one time offer)

Medium -> costs 2990 tankoins -> adds 1500 tankoins to the fund (multiple time offer)

Large -> costs 19990 tankoins - adds 1000 tankoins to the fund (one time offer)

 

Just to reach 1 tier, the medium bundle would have to be bought 667 times and 1,994,330 tankoins would have to be spent.

And if we multiply that by 20 it comes out to be 39,886,600 tankoins.

At tier 30, the player base would have to spend 59,829,900 tankoins.

That means 50 tiers would cost a wallet murdering 99,716,500 tankoins.

And to reach tier 50, the medium bundle would have to be purchased 33,350 times.

Although your math seems to be accurate, you make it sound like all those Tankoins would have to come from 10 people. What we need is quantity, I am willing to bet that not even half of the player base has bought the fund so far. Plus we don't need people to buy the second bundle since it costs 3x the smallest and only gives 1.5x the amount of Tankoins to the fund, basically a ripoff unless people want to have multiple chances at getting 8k in return, otherwise the smallest bundle would be just enough. Oh and let's not forget that if we were to reach lvl 50, we would all be getting..I think it was somewhere around 360 Tankoins from the weekly containers, making the total cost of the smallest bundle just 600 Tk. You might say that this is only true IF we reach said lvl 50, but to that all I have to say is: All the more reason for everyone to take part in the fund

Oh and we would only need around 36k accounts to buy the cheapest bundle to reach the remaining 36 mil in the fund, and considering that most people probably have at least 2 accounts, that number is much much lower than 36k people. And there is evidence of there being enough people to even reach 60-something million, so don't come at me with "there aren't enough players to reach lvl 50" because there are...plus I think most buyers would be happy to buy multiple bundles if they saw that we were going to reach high levels..basically causing a snowball effect, and we would get to 50 mil in no time at all. But all the people seem to be good for is complaining but not thinking. Don't tell me that 500k+ crystals, 5-10k supplies, multiple skins and augments, 100+ nuclear energies, and a chance to get 8k Tankoins back are not worth just 600 Tk. People just don't like to take less if they previously received more..basically they are spoiled. "We are not gonna take anything worth less than 5k Tankoins because ONCE we got that much for free so we should always get at least that much or more" This is all of you who complain..

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/7/2023 at 11:57 PM, Gabku said:

And there is evidence of there being enough people to even reach 60-something million, so don't come at me with "there aren't enough players to reach lvl 50" because there are

Well then where's this "evidence" you speak of?

On 12/7/2023 at 11:57 PM, Gabku said:

Don't tell me that 500k+ crystals, 5-10k supplies, multiple skins and augments, 100+ nuclear energies, and a chance to get 8k Tankoins back are not worth just 600 Tk. People just don't like to take less if they previously received more..basically they are spoiled.

I mean if the devs didn't keep holding all the unnecessary extra events like wild west, ice age, preparty, etc. The real events that really mattered would have been so much more valuable. Even the tanki fund and challenges could have more rewards in them and not just filler.

[Akame 4,578]

On 12/8/2023 at 3:42 PM, PirateSpider said:

Well then where's this "evidence" you speak of?

 

Did u forget the TOA last year for when we reached 60M+ in the tkfund, and then the one after that was north of 40M.

I'd say people is not the term. But there are 100% more than enough accounts to get 50M on this fund easily. Simply not enough minimum spenders on the game.

A minimum spender is someone who basically gets every tankoin pass, a 20 dollar each event basically is what I consider a minimum spender. I'd add monthly premium to the list but we'll bench that thought for now.

Oh look at that. Can certainly say enough accounts exist. More than enough. But majority of these are not minimum spenders at all. Or if they are, they're all waiting for the tkfund to reach X mark, where X never gets reached because they're all waiting.

 

Also, I'm gonna cook here.

Spoiler

If 50M was reached, 6250 tankers (Of 50K 990tk bundle spending accounts) would win 7920 TK.

And even if you were part of the 43750 accounts that didn't win.
You basically spent 630 TK for the following:
reg - 175
uc -  115
skin - 3    (gt trash)
skin cont - 2 (1001 tk refund)
paints - 10    (mono trash)
module slots - 2    (new player/acc profits)
nuclear energy - 105    (useless)
40'000 - CRYS
4'500 Of Each Sup    (bar nuclears and golds)
 

If that ain't a classy bargain, y'all are cooking more than me. Don't blame the fund or tanki, blame the lack of minimum spenders that all held back.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Akame

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/8/2023 at 8:45 AM, Akame said:

Did u forget the TOA last year for when we reached 60M+ in the tkfund, and then the one after that was north of 40M.

No. But you seem to have forgotten it was that same TOA which made it possible to complete the tanki's birthday fund nearly 3.5 times over, since the fund only had 20 tiers

The summer esports fund didn't make it to 40 million but just 22 million, simply because that's when the 50 tiers first came to play. Yes it was worse than this one, but the players had expendable tankoins left over from the TOA.

Let's keep in mind that it would take a player 4 months to get 1184 tankoins just from completing challenges and weekly missions.

And in 6 months that'd be 1776 tankoins.

Now they don't seem so expendable, do they?

 

[Akame 4,578]

On 12/8/2023 at 7:59 PM, PirateSpider said:

No. But you seem to have forgotten it was that same TOA which made it possible to complete the tanki's birthday fund nearly 3.5 times over, since the fund only had 20 tiers

The summer esports fund didn't make it to 40 million but just 22 million, simply because that's when the 50 tiers first came to play. Yes it was worse than this one, but the players had expendable tankoins left over from the TOA.

Let's keep in mind that it would take a player 4 months to get 1184 tankoins just from completing challenges and weekly missions.

And in 6 months that'd be 1776 tankoins.

Now they don't seem so expendable, do they?

 

Please read what I typed. I thought I made it obvious that the failure is due to lack of minimum spending players. Are you oblivious to meaning?

[Macabre 207]

On 12/8/2023 at 10:18 PM, Akame said:

Please read what I typed. I thought I made it obvious that the failure is due to lack of minimum spending players. Are you oblivious to meaning?

No, but rather it's you who assume that everyone else must adhere to your self-imposed "minimum spending", which indicates either utter naievness or being completely out of touch. 

 

Expecting others to spend 20$+ every month to qualify for the decent rewards is just absurd. 

[Akame 4,578]

On 12/8/2023 at 9:01 PM, Macabre said:

 

 

Expecting others to spend 20$+ every month to qualify for the decent rewards is just absurd. 

You're playing a game well known for it's paywall. 

You don't need to spend at all. But don't expect many freebies.

Containers were nerfed a while back, seemingly the container count also. This won't get any better for pure f2p new starters.

On 12/8/2023 at 9:01 PM, Macabre said:

No, but rather it's you who assume that everyone else must adhere to your self-imposed "minimum spending", which indicates either utter naievness or being completely out of touch. 

 

I play a variety of games where basic subscriptions exist and people count them as minimum spending, which it keeps people going, that is all this is. It is not out of touch, it's the working world. Get used to it maybe?

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/8/2023 at 12:18 PM, Akame said:

Please read what I typed. I thought I made it obvious that the failure is due to lack of minimum spending players. Are you oblivious to meaning?

It's a problem, sure. But guess what else is a problem. That's right having too many tiers.

 

But it's much easier for the devs to decrease the number of tiers than it is for the number of "minimal spenders" to increase.

That's why the blame should be shifted towards the devs for putting too many tiers rather than the players for not having enough "minimal spenders".

[Akame 4,578]

On 12/8/2023 at 9:59 PM, PirateSpider said:

It's a problem, sure. But guess what else is a problem. That's right having too many tiers.

 

But it's much easier for the devs to decrease the number of tiers than it is for the number of "minimal spenders" to increase.

That's why the blame should be shifted towards the devs for putting too many tiers rather than the players for not having enough "minimal spenders".

I highly doubt the devs will even bother when they can see there are technically more than enough accounts to source from. They won't make any loss regardless to the event as usual. They still have some source and are ofc a bit more greedy to get more. 
Us not reaching the basic low end level just allows them to rerun prizes again for a good share of the tiers from the upper end. Including the lame mono paints. Hunter GT will likely be re-ran either next elite pass (which'll cost like 2350tk), or the next xmas tkfund (50 tier prize set, maybe a little lower towards 20 this time around) if any, or another event for generally a higher participation value.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 12/8/2023 at 9:07 PM, Akame said:

I highly doubt the devs will even bother when they can see there are technically more than enough accounts to source from. They won't make any loss regardless to the event as usual. They still have some source and are ofc a bit more greedy to get more. 
Us not reaching the basic low end level just allows them to rerun prizes again for a good share of the tiers from the upper end. Including the lame mono paints. Hunter GT will likely be re-ran either next elite pass (which'll cost like 2350tk), or the next xmas tkfund (50 tier prize set, maybe a little lower towards 20 this time around) if any, or another event for generally a higher participation value.

Yup and expecting the players to go 100% when the devs couldn't even be bothered to meet us halfway is just wrong.

So instead of gaslighting other players into buying the fund, @Gabkuand other players who have been complaining about the slow progression should go to every social media platform that tanki has and start bombarding them with complaints of "50 tiers is too much" "too much filler" "rewards are lackluster" etc.