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[Gabe2607 215]

On 6/24/2024 at 3:52 AM, Maf said:

Free player or not, most people playing since 2011 already have all their equipment upgraded to Mk7 and haven't needed to pay tankoins since that update came out.

Nope. I am getting closer to my third turret, only two hulls, one drone, one decent augment in total (no self damage twins) taken with crystals. Got everything at -30% and a little at -50%.

On 6/24/2024 at 7:04 AM, Maf said:

 Well, yeah. I agree that the tankoin fee for upgrading to the next modifiction is rather... bizarre. Like, it's not a large amount (one piece of equipment Mk1-Mk7 is just over 1 set of weekly missions in tk amount), but devs still decided to add it for some reason, even though the effect on their revenue would probably be miniscule.

1 set of of weekly missions... Also this one needs to be debunked. Having a poor garage and playing MM battles for missions, means to end each battle at 4-20 K/D, generally meaning 0 stars. One could possibly end those 60 levels leading to 100 tankoins if playing all day, for a full week. I can guarantee you that 3 hours a day, every day, are hardly getting you half the way, beside being terribly disgusted by the constant inability to compete. And, just to explain that I am not such a bad player, I am generally leading most tables when playing in Pro Battles.

[Maf 32,300]

On 6/26/2024 at 2:47 AM, Gabe2607 said:

1 set of of weekly missions... Also this one needs to be debunked. Having a poor garage and playing MM battles for missions, means to end each battle at 4-20 K/D, generally meaning 0 stars. One could possibly end those 60 levels leading to 100 tankoins if playing all day, for a full week. I can guarantee you that 3 hours a day, every day, are hardly getting you half the way, beside being terribly disgusted by the constant inability to compete. And, just to explain that I am not such a bad player, I am generally leading most tables when playing in Pro Battles.

Well, I can't see your profile, but it sounds like your situation is even worse than what I have on my own alt acc. If it's as bad as you say it is, then you're probably better off either starting a new account or looking for a different game to play.

I don't know how it is for others with your level of experience, but I'd imagine that daily and weekly missions were actually designed to be possible to complete in a reasonable amount of time for a typical player (1-2 hours daily gameplay), so the struggle you're describing surprises me.

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

Guess time for the Boogeyman to show up in this thread and scare the children away!

So from 2 sentences or something that i've read (im not reading all that lmao) it's just typical old tanki vs new tanki? Here is the factual truth and if you noobs with Pink Nostalgia Glasses don't like it then it's only your fault.

Old Tanki was actual leagues more P2W. Not even close. Period. If you disagree you're flat out WRONG.

Current Tanki transitioned into a Gacha Game (almost all games nowadays copy Japanese Gacha Game strat now) which means it doesn't matter how much you spend it all  comes down to luck. Johhny the F2P can get his double Exotic drop while P2P Maf gets x2 500k crystals as his double guaranteed Exotics after using up 600 epic keys. 

Powercreep is also implemented even though it's artificial. Instead of new augments flat out being better in every way than previous ones, old ones get nerfed instead while the heavy exotics stay on the same level of OPness. Trust me you'd rather have nerfs/buffs than actual powercreep lol also this strat kills the possibility of a Power Spike (game resseting powercreep) unless Hazel decides to introduce a new OP Exotic and nerf literally EVERYTHING to the ground. 

You still can compete with a F2P account no problem. You need skill and you won't get skilled if you do nothing but cry. I have full garage almost every augment but I can equip Smoky/Hunter + Brutus and get TOP 3 constantly. Even have screenshots tho every time I post them here I get banned for "Provocation" lol. How can you explain that? Is my Brutus secretly buffed to hell because I'm P2P? No. My F2P friends also had no issues reaching Legend after following my advice (their first time reaching legend). So how's that possible? Aren't they suppose to be canon meat?

[FLIPSTIKS 136]

On 6/26/2024 at 6:56 AM, Maf said:

then you're probably better off either starting a new account

Very bad advice, unless your a heavy, heavy buyer.

Remember there are "NO" protections until General, starting a new account now is TO suicide.

Lets face it, the devs do not and have never given any thought to the low rankers, unless it's to try and wrangle cash out of them with hugely negative updates.

It's no wonder that many players are rightly peed off with them and their underhanded tactics.

They give with one hand (TO birthday) and then strip it away with a useless fund that costs way to much for the rewards offered, especially the first 10-15 tiers.

TO is going downhill fast. Augments and the useless floating trashcans, along with a big hike in prices, the constant nerf/buff cycle, the de-valuing of containers and a host of other bad updates have RUINED the game beyond economical repair. 

What is the current state of TO--------A CASH GRAB JOKE.

On 6/26/2024 at 7:19 AM, Kimura said:

You still can compete with a F2P account no problem.

Are you suggesting high ranks to Legend account, or low to mid rankers, because competing is not a problem, It's competing at a buyers level that is the problem.

Augments more than anything in the game have stuffed TO and unless you have the more favourable ones, then your just a run of the mill average player, F2P or otherwise.

Why are there so many Legends with a crappy G/S, because the devs have managed the game in such a way that unless you buy, your stuffed, plain and simple.

Couple all of the above with a useless MM system and the F2P does not stand much of a chance.

So to summarise your above statement-----so wrong.

Start a new account from scratch, no buying, then get back to me.

On 6/26/2024 at 7:19 AM, Kimura said:

My F2P friends also had no issues reaching Legend after following my advice

Reaching Legend is easy, especially when you can rank so fast.

Reaching Legend and having a decent gaming experience/battles is something else, very few players who are F2P can achieve this.

  

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/26/2024 at 2:19 AM, Kimura said:

 Johhny the F2P can get his double Exotic drop

Never happened, lol.

On 6/26/2024 at 2:19 AM, Kimura said:

Powercreep is also implemented

Developer excuses for bad developing swallowed whole by noobs who don't know any better.

Nerfs and buffs are just changing something they want you to buy at any given moment.

On 6/26/2024 at 2:19 AM, Kimura said:

You need skill

You need money.

On 6/26/2024 at 2:19 AM, Kimura said:

You still can compete with a F2P account no problem.

And finally...

If you could, no one would pay to play this game.

On 6/26/2024 at 2:19 AM, Kimura said:

Here is the factual truth...

I have full garage almost every augment...

My F2P friends...

Your anecdotal evidence can never and should never be construed as 'factual truth'.

Ever.

 

And lets all recall you said that there is nothing wrong with the MM system.

Unfortunately, I call your ability to... hmmm...  see things... hmmm... objectively (yes, that will do) into question.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Jeers4U

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/27/2024 at 8:42 AM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Very bad advice

I agree with everything you have said.

 

And I find it interesting as to the choices of negative direction this game is taking almost as interesting as the choice of people posting comments trying to justify the negative direction. As if they are taking comment of criticism against tanki as a comment of criticism against them personally.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/27/2024 at 12:29 PM, Kimura said:

My last 3 exotics
1. Log In Bonus
2. V-LOG Promo Code
3. Paid container

 

this is a very simple concept.

 

sure i can give you my paypal and you can transfer me all your money.

 

-Never happened to anyone else but you (and your mythical 'friends'), evidently. lol

 

-Rock paper scissors is a game that has been around for thousands of years with zero power creep.

Huh.

Who'd have thunk someone from 2k+ years ago could invent a game without an excuse called power creep? lol

 

-And posting a picture of anecdotal evidence does not make it any less anecdotal.

Maybe google THAT definition. lol

 

-Credibility still remains low.

 

Edited June 27, 2024 by Jeers4U

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 6/27/2024 at 7:43 PM, Jeers4U said:

Never happened to anyone else but you (and your mythical 'friends'), evidently. lol

if you refuse to accept a simple fact then i cant help you lol

 

On 6/27/2024 at 7:43 PM, Jeers4U said:

Rock paper scissors is a game that has been around for thousands of years with zero power creep.

oh yeah but i bought the x10 paper bundle for 50$ and now i win against everyone no problem. 
what if i told you micro-transactions didn't exist in games 20 years ago. but they do now. Huh must be some anomaly or maybe your delusions are going to tell you that Tanki Online is the only game with micro-transactions. Power creeps is the next big monetization strat. You like it or not every game is starting to adapt it.

 

On 6/27/2024 at 7:43 PM, Jeers4U said:

And posting a picture of anecdotal evidence does not make it any less anecdotal.

literally got TOP 2 in try-hard battle with pure F2P combo + brutus so whats the problem? "tanki is p2w and impossible for F2P" is gone all of a sudden?

how about you actually play the game instead of hunting "hackers" and hallucinating about bots in legend battles. If you refuse to improve then this game will never become "f2p friendly" for you. NEVER. 

end of story im too lazy for this.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/27/2024 at 1:47 PM, Kimura said:

if you refuse to accept a simple fact then i cant help you lol

If you refuse to accept the fact that anecdotal evidence isn't fact, then I'm not sure you have a grasp on what is real and what isn't.

Again.

Anecdotal evidence--like yours--isn't fact.

Isn't.

Fact.

Is. Not. Fact.

Not fact.

Not.

Fact.

On 6/27/2024 at 1:47 PM, Kimura said:

oh yeah but i bought the x10 paper bundle for 50$ and now i win against everyone no problem. 
what if i told you micro-transactions didn't exist in games 20 years ago. but they do now. Huh must be some anomaly or maybe your delusions are going to tell you that Tanki Online is the only game with micro-transactions. Power creeps is the next big monetization strat. You like it or not every game is starting to adapt it.

If you bought anything with money, then you seriously don't understand the basic concept of what ftp means. I can't say I'm surprised at that.

You want to argue micro-transactions now?

'Micro-transactions' is not power creep. (Even IF power creep wasn't an excuse for poor programming)

I'm not even sure you even understand power creep at this rate.

On 6/27/2024 at 1:47 PM, Kimura said:

literally got TOP 2 in try-hard battle with pure F2P combo + brutus so whats the problem? "tanki is p2w and impossible for F2P" is gone all of a sudden?

how about you actually play the game instead of hunting "hackers" and hallucinating about bots in legend battles. If you refuse to improve then this game will never become "f2p friendly" for you. NEVER. 

end of story im too lazy for this.

If you refuse to accept the fact that anecdotal evidence isn't fact, then I'm not sure you have a grasp on what is real and what isn't.

Again.

Anecdotal evidence like yours isn't fact.

Isn't.

Fact.

Is. Not. Fact.

Not fact.

Not.

Fact.

On 6/27/2024 at 1:47 PM, Kimura said:

 im too lazy for this.

It isn't laziness that you are... It's definitely something else.

 

But hey... nothing wrong with MM, right...?

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

On 6/27/2024 at 8:42 AM, FLIPSTIKS said:

Very bad advice, unless you are a heavy, heavy buyer.

 

Remember there are "NO" protections until General, starting a new account now is TO suicide.

 

Lets face it, the devs do not and have never given any thought to the low rankers, unless it's to try and wrangle cash out of them with hugely negative updates.

 

It's no wonder that many players are rightly peed off with them and their underhanded tactics.

 

They give with one hand (TO birthday) and then strip it away with a useless fund that costs way too much for the rewards offered, especially the first 10-15 tiers.

 

TO is going downhill fast. Augments and the useless floating trashcans, along with a big hike in prices, the constant nerf/buff cycle, the de-valuing of containers and a host of other bad updates have RUINED the game beyond economical repair. 

 

What is the current state of TO--------A CASH GRAB JOKE.

"Very bad advice, unless you are crazy buyer." Really?

Having Protection module rank-gated until General+ is a 2x edged sword. Because you can upgrade modules without M#, tankers can have them maxed in one go provided they have the crystals (if an early-midgame tanker faces a random 50% module before General... it's frustrating). On the other hand, early rank tanker won't be able to protect themselves until lategame (except Spider module, that unlocks early and (almost) nobody complains if their mines deal less damage). 

Tanki is going downhill, and that's not a secret. Augments yes (I am indeed frustrated about that) but I disagree about hovering hulls. I don't use them, nor my Captain account (VocaloidDefence). In fact, whenever I see a Hopper uses their Overdrive, I had fun shooting them down like hunting pheasants.  

Constant nerf/buff cycle? I'm on the fence. De-valuing container reward is indeed a massive red flag. Back then an Exotic reward from container can give a million crystals. Now? 500k only if Epic containers (100k if common container). 

Cash grab. Cash grab. Cash grab. Is this all you can complain/criticize about Alternativa? If everything is all about cash grab, Tanki would be completely shut down way before 2024.

Edited June 28, 2024 by FrozenRailgun

[Gabe2607 215]

On 6/27/2024 at 10:49 PM, FrozenRailgun said:

Tanki is going downhill, and that's not a secret.

 

Cash grab. Cash grab. Cash grab. Is this all you can complain/criticize about Alternativa? If everything is all about cash grab, Tanki would be completely shut down way before 2024.

It is not a complain, but a fact. Confirmed by Hazel himself. Might not be 2024, but your first sentence shows the path. 

[CD12f 208]

i think the game's doing neat

[Venerable 2,967]

On 6/26/2024 at 11:26 AM, Maf said:

I'd imagine that daily and weekly missions were actually designed to be possible to complete in a reasonable amount of time for a typical player (1-2 hours daily gameplay

no

missions are poorly designed imo, at least from an average player's pov. the worst mission of them all is the "be in the winning team" or whatevs. it's akin to opening containers — where winning a battle is a pretty rare thing.

i have a nearly maxed out garage save a few protection modules and drones, but i still get spawn killed and fail to convert losses into draws, at least, when the matchmaking system puts me in a losing team after looking at my gear score. yes, i lack skills, but my tank should be allowed to move a few meters at least before getting absolutely bombarded from all directions. idk, maybe ping plays an important role too.

but no, these missions are not reasonable for players with a bad garage imho, cuz even a good garage cannot save you sometimes. some battles are so bad that only the trophy missions register a nanopixel of progress.

i used to enjoy mindlessly shooting tanks, but now you require too much effort and knowledge to make sense of what's going on and plan accordingly. there are far too many elements of chance even though everything is more accessible (and slightly more easily obtainable) now, as compared to the flash days.