[BUG?] Tank performance nerfed after reaching Legend rank - urgent dev response needed

[krokorok 837]

On 10/2/2025 at 12:08 AM, Mr.Blitz said:

@krokorok Ah, here we go again.. another self-appointed detective telling me what I ‘must’ be experiencing. Thanks, but I don’t need a lecture in the form of a Karen analogy just because I noticed something you didn’t. Funny thing is, you admit the balance is poor, you admit the game environment has issues, you admit servers can be unstable.. yet somehow the second I point at the exact problem, it magically becomes a ‘skill issue’ or me imagining things. Convenient, isn’t it?
And no, I don’t owe you a video diary of my gameplay to validate what I experience. If you need ‘proof’ before you can even process someone’s words, maybe you’re not here to understand.. you’re here to dismiss. That’s the difference between genuine discussion and forum gaslighting.

I admit those things are true because they can be simply explained and proved. Everyone can explain why balance is poor and what is unbalanced by simply fact checking what equipment is used in battles and how it performs. If I go to 50 battles, and in 50 battles I will see constantly the same equipment like Hammer Boxers, Smoky Excelsiors, Railgun Excalibur rounds, Crusaders in Top 3 being used by multiple different people, we can assume that this equipment is very likely on the overpowered side, given how it constantly outperforms other competition. We can fact check servers being poor, because it is pretty common for them being down, which is also proved by MULTIPLE if not ALL people sharing this experience and writting about it on platforms like Discord. We can also prove it by the fact that Tanki often admits these things in public statements and even provides occasional tokens of apology for these issues. 

However your issue is basically a one-person phenomenon that does not stand on any logical ground and noone can relate, prove or explain it properly in any way because every possible attempt at discussion or resolvement of the issue with you is met with your victim mentality and entitlement that leads you to only accepting your opinion and experience as the only correct one. I wont even go into the details of how contradictory your own statements are. In one post you mention you can easily provide recordings, and yet when we actually ask for them to help us understand your situation and possibly help, there is nothing to be provided by you other than a dismissive post that you do not owe us a video diary of your gameplay.

On 10/2/2025 at 12:19 AM, NikmanGT said:

Alright, since the topic is getting heated up, it's time to intervene.

If you can't provide a constructive argument, then maybe it's best not to start personal ping wars, and this goes for everyone in the topic.

I will close the topic if you guys are unable to argue without understanding each other, all I see both the sides blindly sticking up to their agenda without concerning the heed of the other, and as for warns we have a very definitive proof and reasons for this, that can be discussed via Forum PM.

The sole reason I'm mentioning this is to captcha check the people who believe we hide behind a system of mutes, if this situation still doesn't provide some valid argument sense here, then its best to pass on this feedback/issue silently and let the topic be closed for the sake of further provocations/insults.

To be honest with you, I genuinely dont see a way for this discussion to continue in any productive way. The owner of the topic basically treats it as a one-off statement that is unshakable in its truth and his mentality does not provide us with much room for an actual, meaningful conversation or resolvement of his issue. This is basically a witch hunt where this person screams he found a "witch" in a form of rather strange phenomenon occuring only to him and we are all here just to accept this "witch" as a reality or be accussed of gaslighting when we try to relate, explain or resolve anything. I mean, even the person who is the closest to actually providing any explanation, Hazel, seems to be rather flabbergasted by this.  So where can we go from here, when no one can relate and the only person experiencing it wont give us anything to work with other than his statement that factually proves nothing?

Edited October 2 by krokorok

[Mr.Blitz 57]

On 10/2/2025 at 3:49 AM, NikmanGT said:

Alright, since the topic is getting heated up, it's time to intervene.

If you can't provide a constructive argument, then maybe it's best not to start personal ping wars, and this goes for everyone in the topic.

I will close the topic if you guys are unable to argue without understanding each other, all I see both the sides blindly sticking up to their agenda without concerning the heed of the other, and as for warns we have a very definitive proof and reasons for this, that can be discussed via Forum PM.

The sole reason I'm mentioning this is to captcha check the people who believe we hide behind a system of mutes, if this situation still doesn't provide some valid argument sense here, then its best to pass on this feedback/issue silently and let the topic be closed for the sake of further provocations/insults.

With all due respect @NikmanGT , the issue here isn’t people sharing arguments.. it’s a handful of self-proclaimed authorities acting like their opinion is gospel and everyone else is supposed to kneel. This is a forum, not their private Discord clique. The whole point is to share experiences, even if they don’t perfectly fit into a spreadsheet or a dev blog. Nobody is here to waste hours writing fairy tales, if someone notices a problem, they post it. That’s how feedback works. If the only 'constructive' posts allowed are the ones blessed by the self-appointed elite, then yeah, closing topics becomes the easiest job in the world.

[Mr.Blitz 57]

On 10/2/2025 at 6:44 AM, Akame said:

So, seeing that there is only you, in the whole, what is left of the forum, and the players on discord that has been  'subjected' to this so called 'nerf user mechanic' which the game has clearly not implemented.

Every other player is playing a lie and the drone damage calculations are false.

You've consistently been raising heresy and have been consistent in being unable to provide experiences for people to understand. Because again, to point out, there is only YOU who has seen this effect out of the remainder of the playerbase. YOU are clearly not the only one who ranks in this game, ranking is a lot more common than ever.

So you could be constructive and provide actual instances, because we can certainly back calculate protections, drones, augments for all encounters. Yes, it is that simple.

To implement a mechanism which would reduce players ability in games, yes exists in some games. It's called multiplayer ranks, etc, where levels are typically capped so you can't fully pummel lower levelled players in the same rank. Ultimately there is always a powergap in these ranks and it requires a vast set of players. But in the end, where you will eventually be maxed, that gap does become far smaller, negligible and almost equal.

Naturally the same does not apply to this game. There are not enough players, and there is no item limitation in matchmaking aside special event modes where some things may be turned off to allow 'fair equipment levelling'. Though not always the case in all event modes. Pro battles do have settings where they can turn off upgrades etc, but no, there has been no mechanism implemented for matchmaking. Which is why, the game is often called 'PAY 2 WIN' due to the harsh lack of balance and unfairness among lower ranks for unspecialised players who don't carry strong combos. Which isn't entirely different at the endgame because augments just become common then. You will be facing a lot more Excelsiors, and so on, it does not get easier unless you play a powerhouse combo.

Hm, interesting, so because I’m the one pointing out something that doesn’t fit your cookie-cutter explanation, it automatically becomes ‘heresy’? That’s convenient. If nobody else mentions it, then it must not exist, right? By that logic, the first guy who ever reported lag should’ve been told: ‘Well, it’s only you, so it can’t be real.’ The fact that you admit other games have hidden balancing mechanics, then immediately swear on Tanki’s soul that it’s impossible here, shows you’re not debating.. you’re defending dogma. Keep calling it witchcraft if you want, but I’ll stick to pointing out what I experience instead of parroting safe textbook answers.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

On 10/2/2025 at 10:17 PM, Mr.Blitz said:

it’s a handful of self-proclaimed authorities acting like their opinion is gospel and everyone else is supposed to kneel. This is a forum, not their private Discord clique. The whole point is to share experiences, even if they don’t perfectly fit into a spreadsheet or a dev blog. Nobody is here to waste hours writing fairy tales, if someone notices a problem, they post it. That’s how feedback works. If the only 'constructive' posts allowed are the ones blessed by the self-appointed elite, then yeah, closing topics becomes the easiest job in the world.

I get your point, but 99% of the people here don't. Don't you think it becomes your responsibility to explain your phenomenon to the rest as the creator of the topic (?)

You're seeing something that we didn't experience, or maybe we did but didn't notice much and moved on. Thus if you believe it's a severe issue that needs addressing, you might have some physical or actual claim to back up your words. 

Let me give you example, I claim with all my power that Tanki Online is the most balanced game there is in all globe, with no issues even a bit, just the ideal scenario with ideal battles leaving no issues and bugs behind, sounds farfetched ?  But that's what I feel like "and maybe if you think otherwise, or ask me for proofs, you're an actual hater and nothing else". Now you migh think let me pull out some bugs or ping spikes from the MM or PRO battles and prove this optimistic man the complete opposite of his words, and now you're actually providing something factual and that makes your claim genuine, and thus I can't complain. 

Otherwise, it's just my words against yours, and the only last person standing is the one with the most patience to still debate what the other posts.

[Mr.Blitz 57]

@krokorok Funny how you think repeating the same formula (‘show me a video, or it’s not real’) somehow makes my point disappear. You can ‘fact check’ Hammer Boxers, Excelsiors, Crusaders all day long because that’s surface-level and easy. What I’m talking about isn’t some OP combo you can chart on a spreadsheet.. it’s a mechanic behaviour you only notice while actually playing.
But instead of at least entertaining the idea, you’ve jumped straight to gatekeeping: if it’s not in a neat clip, it’s not happening. That’s not investigation, that’s intellectual laziness with a smug badge... And the cherry on top.. you call it ‘victim mentality’ just because I’m not bending to your courtroom demands for ‘video diaries’. Sorry, but this isn’t a Netflix documentary, it’s a live gameplay experience. Some things are obvious without having to record a frame-by-frame replay for the self-appointed panel of judges.

[Mr.Blitz 57]

On 10/2/2025 at 7:00 PM, NikmanGT said:

I get your point, but 99% of the people here don't. Don't you think it becomes your responsibility to explain your phenomenon to the rest as the creator of the topic (?)

You're seeing something that we didn't experience, or maybe we did but didn't notice much and moved on. Thus if you believe it's a severe issue that needs addressing, you might have some physical or actual claim to back up your words. 

Let me give you example, I claim with all my power that Tanki Online is the most balanced game there is in all globe, with no issues even a bit, just the ideal scenario with ideal battles leaving no issues and bugs behind, sounds farfetched ?  But that's what I feel like "and maybe if you think otherwise, or ask me for proofs, you're an actual hater and nothing else". Now you migh think let me pull out some bugs or ping spikes from the MM or PRO battles and prove this optimistic man the complete opposite of his words, and now you're actually providing something factual and that makes your claim genuine, and thus I can't complain. 

Otherwise, it's just my words against yours, and the only last person standing is the one with the most patience to still debate what the other posts.

@NikmanGT So let me get this straight.. the only way my experience becomes ‘valid’ to you is if I attach a shaky YouTube clip of my tank moving like it’s drunk? And that’s supposed to suddenly make everyone go: ‘Ah yes, now we see it!’ Come on.

Look bro, PLEASE try to understand this.... A video won’t capture how a tank that played smoothly yesterday suddenly feels like it’s been dropped back to rookie rank after leveling up. That’s not something you see on a scoreboard, it’s something you feel in control response, damage trade, and overall consistency.. things only the developers’ own logs and mechanics can really confirm.. The irony here is you’re asking players to ‘prove’ a hidden mechanic to other players, when the only people who could actually check if this exists are the DEVS themselves. So in practice, all you’re doing is creating a barrier where anyone reporting an oddity gets buried under demands for screenshots that won’t prove a thing. That doesn’t solve issues.. it just silences them.

And no my friend, this isn’t about who has more patience to argue until the other drops dead of boredom. This is about calling out something that doesn’t add up, and if the response is just ‘bring proof we’ll never accept anyway’, then it’s not discussion, it’s gatekeeping.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

On 10/2/2025 at 10:46 PM, Mr.Blitz said:

@NikmanGT So let me get this straight.. the only way my experience becomes ‘valid’ to you is if I attach a shaky YouTube clip of my tank moving like it’s drunk? And that’s supposed to suddenly make everyone go: ‘Ah yes, now we see it!’ Come on.

Look bro, PLEASE try to understand this.... A video won’t capture how a tank that played smoothly yesterday suddenly feels like it’s been dropped back to rookie rank after leveling up. That’s not something you see on a scoreboard, it’s something you feel in control response, damage trade, and overall consistency.. things only the developers’ own logs and mechanics can really confirm.. The irony here is you’re asking players to ‘prove’ a hidden mechanic to other players, when the only people who could actually check if this exists are the DEVS themselves. So in practice, all you’re doing is creating a barrier where anyone reporting an oddity gets buried under demands for screenshots that won’t prove a thing. That doesn’t solve issues.. it just silences them.

And no my friend, this isn’t about who has more patience to argue until the other drops dead of boredom. This is about calling out something that doesn’t add up, and if the response is just ‘bring proof we’ll never accept anyway’, then it’s not discussion, it’s gatekeeping.

To sum it up, yes we require proof. 
But don't think wrong the way that we are providing some barrier, I've already forwarded your feedback to the Devs, It's for the rest of us to see what you're actually experiencing. 

[Maf 32,300]

On 10/2/2025 at 9:16 PM, Mr.Blitz said:

A video won’t capture how a tank that played smoothly yesterday suddenly feels like it’s been dropped back to rookie rank after leveling up. That’s not something you see on a scoreboard, it’s something you feel

 Then what are we even discussing here?

You say that the tank "feels" wrong. No one else shares the same experience. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that it's just your brain playing tricks on you, as opposed to there being some malicious system that secretly nerfs players who rank to Legend.

Also, you did get your urgent dev response... as peculiar as it was. 

 

[krokorok 837]

On 10/2/2025 at 7:06 PM, Mr.Blitz said:

@krokorok Funny how you think repeating the same formula (‘show me a video, or it’s not real’) somehow makes my point disappear. You can ‘fact check’ Hammer Boxers, Excelsiors, Crusaders all day long because that’s surface-level and easy. What I’m talking about isn’t some OP combo you can chart on a spreadsheet.. it’s a mechanic behaviour you only notice while actually playing.

Whats funny to me is the type of mental gymnastics we are doing here. You say your problem is not surface level and easy, that it is some hidden mechanic behavior that cannot be charted, yet here are YOUR own words from this topic:

"Compared with teammates and previous replays: the same hull/drone/module/augment setup performed markedly worse after rank-up." - you say that Hammer Boxer, Excelsiors are surface level and easy and that this isnt an OP combo you can chart, but in the same breath what you mention here is literally a some sort of COMBO of hull/drone/module/ augment that you say you compared with teammates. I dont know what combo you tested, but from what you are claiming here you did test something if you did some comparisons. If you are able to compare this with someone of the same level, how is it impossible to provide evidence of what you compared, who you compared it with and what parameters were you comparing?

"Observed consistent reduction in movement speed, responsiveness and damage (measured subjectively across identical engagements as before rank-up)." - you claim your problem is some mechanical behavior, but some of these stats like movement speed and damage can easily be recorded and compared with either Wiki stats whether they are matching or compared with other player of matching equipment. 

And how exactly are we gatekeeping here? You are not limited in any way to share your experience, its just that nobody can relate to your experience or subjective feeling, because we are not given anything tangible to work with. Your claims are simply in the same realm as religion is, where one is presented with a choice to either beilieve or not believe it based on claims that supposedly cannot be even proven in any way. You can swing around these big words about intelectual laziness and how you are not willing to bend the knee to these "selfproclaimed authorities", but those same words can be thrown at you!

What intelectual thing are you bringing to the discussion other than a claim that is not rooted in evidence but rather in what you feel and perceive in battle? Why should we bend our knee and entertain your claim as factual when we aren't convinced?

You can portray the people who tried to help you here as gatekeepers or some bullying authorities, but the fact remains that video tends to be the simplest  way of conveying an issue to others, especially when they themselves have not experienced it. And if this hidden mechanic that somehow only you are experiencing cannot be recorded because it is so hidden that only devs can check it, then what are we even discussing here? You somehow cant convey your experience through video despite mentioning comparing certain parameters that should be recordable, and we cant help you or discuss the issue in any way because literally noone can relate to your experience. 

 

Edited October 2 by krokorok

[Venerable 2,967]

without proof, your experience isn't invalid, but there's just no point.

the steps you provided to "reproduce" the "bug" aren't easily reproducible. no one ranks up to legend every day. so video evidence is the only way to validate your claims and provide a potentially useful solution. (also you talked about "replays", so I'm assuming that you do have the before and after versions of your gameplay)

if you think it's a hidden mechanic in the game, at least one other player would have reported it.

or perhaps the devs have a personal vendetta against you, in which case you're doomed.

[Mr.Blitz 57]

On 10/2/2025 at 7:29 PM, NikmanGT said:

To sum it up, yes we require proof. 
But don't think wrong the way that we are providing some barrier, I've already forwarded your feedback to the Devs, It's for the rest of us to see what you're actually experiencing. 

@NikmanGT First of all, thank you for forwarding my feedback to the Developers, I really appreciate that.

I just want to make something very clear: I am explaining this only to you, not to others who usually write meaningless comments, because I don’t see any point in addressing them. Recently, I reached the Legend rank. From the very first rank until today, I have always played with only one hull and one turret  Viking and Shaft. I never switched to anything else, and with them I climbed all the way to Legend... Here is what I have been experiencing: every time I move up into a new rank, I immediately notice that my tank feels slower, as if half of its performance is taken away. This continues for a certain period, until I earn a specific amount of experience between the two levels. Then, suddenly, in the middle of a match, it’s like something “snaps”  and the tank starts performing normally again, exactly the way I am used to. This is not my imagination. You can easily check my playtime, my progression, the number of kills, and how many times my tank has been destroyed. I am sure that number would be much lower if I had not gone through these performance drops. Despite this, I was often matched with stronger players and somehow managed to keep up.. and very few players could achieve that while sticking to just one turret.

I want to be clear. I am not inventing anything, nor do I have any reason to make this up. From the very first rank to Legend, I have consistently noticed the same issue. The reason I never complained earlier is because I wanted to be 100% certain before bringing it up. Now, I can only make a hypothesis: maybe premium players who purchase with real money don’t experience this, because they are always one step ahead with progression and performance. But for someone like me, who has earned every crystal through hard battles, the difference is very noticeable.

Please don’t take me as an extreme critic or someone trying to attack the developers. I honestly love this game very much and I believe I will play it for as long as I live... But I also believe I have the right to point out things that don’t feel right. If you or the developers think that I am here to create problems, harm the integrity of the game, invent false issues, or mislead anyone, then I am willing to accept the worst-case scenario.. to have my account permanently deleted along with all my progress. That’s how serious I am.

I am 36 years old, and I wouldn’t waste my time on lies or childish games just to get attention. I play this game after work, when I want to relax, and I truly enjoy it. All I want is for my honest experience to be taken into consideration.

As for the proof you mentioned.. honestly, I don’t know how I could possibly provide that. A screenshot or video would never show the real difference, because visually everything looks normal, but the handling and performance are drastically different. What I can tell you is that this happens every single time I rank up, and I can even predict that soon my tank will return to normal performance again, just like it always did in the past. If there is any technical way (logs, data, or a tool I can use) to document this, I will gladly do it.. but from my side, traditional “proof” is simply impossible. 

[Akame 4,578]

On 10/3/2025 at 1:39 AM, Mr.Blitz said:

I have always played with only one hull and one turret  Viking and Shaft.

Are we okay to assume, this is a maxed combo, fully, considered mk7+ / mk7-20 / mk8. Along with the variety of drones you play, they're all maxed to level 20 I want to assume?

What augments do you play with?

I won't bother asking for prots and nades info, since they won't matter when it comes to dealing damage for your turret.

 

Any vague details of damage you were dealing before and damage you were dealing after, with the same combo setup is at least some numerical clue and what sort of mode, arcade/scoped etc.

I'd like to say unresponsiveness mainly boils down to server issues, those everyone may experience at times.

[Maf 32,300]

On 10/3/2025 at 4:39 AM, Mr.Blitz said:

Here is what I have been experiencing: every time I move up into a new rank, I immediately notice that my tank feels slower, as if half of its performance is taken away. This continues for a certain period, until I earn a specific amount of experience between the two levels. Then, suddenly, in the middle of a match, it’s like something “snaps”  and the tank starts performing normally again, exactly the way I am used to.

Alright gang, I have a theory.

Mr.Blitz finds rankups extremely exciting, therefore every time he gets a new rank, his body is filled with very high levels of adrenaline, making it feel as if time itself flows slower. Hence, in the next few battles his tank feels slow and sluggish until the adrenaline subsides and he starts feeling normal again.

 

P.S. I'm only half-joking. I'm still 99% sure that this whole thing is psychological.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

On 10/3/2025 at 11:42 AM, Maf said:

Alright gang, I have a theory.

Mr.Blitz finds rankups extremely exciting, therefore every time he gets a new rank, his body is filled with very high levels of adrenaline, making it feel as if time itself flows slower. Hence, in the next few battles his tank feels slow and sluggish until the adrenaline subsides and he starts feeling normal again.

 

P.S. I'm only half-joking. I'm still 99% sure that this whole thing is psychological.

Please don't ever feel the need to share your opinion any more gang 

 

On 10/3/2025 at 10:02 AM, Akame said:

I'd like to say unresponsiveness mainly boils down to server issues, those everyone may experience at times.

@Mr.Blitz This could one of the major root cause of the issue it seems, there is no relation to the rankup however the sudden abruptness of your tank and it being fixed all of a sudden in the next instance, and your own playing experience getting faulted are all due to server issues.

[Mr.Blitz 57]

On 10/3/2025 at 2:39 PM, NikmanGT said:

This could one of the major root cause of the issue it seems, there is no relation to the rankup however the sudden abruptness of your tank and it being fixed all of a sudden in the next instance, and your own playing experience getting faulted are all due to server issues.

@NikmanGT Thanks for clarifying that, it actually explains a lot.
I’ll keep an eye on possible server-related factors from now on and see if I notice any consistent pattern. I really appreciate that you took it seriously and forwarded it to the devs - that means a lot. My only goal here was to help point out something that genuinely felt off, not to cause drama. Cheers