We already have enough lags. I don't think that it's necessary to make game heavier. More effects - more lags well its not as if i expect these ideas to become reality :roll: as for the lag issue. its a shame that new features cant be implemented due to the lag......

:lol: FAIL. See T2.

i know, sarcasm is hard to transmit in written form.....

Thought of an interesting idea for a new item. Searched the forum and couldnt find anything related, so here goes..... How about an 'oil slick'?? It would be deployed in the same way as a mine, but would leave a small patch of oil behind you that would cause chasing tanks to slide or lose grip. The effect could last for say 5 seconds! Would be interesting when getting chased with the flag, especially on corners! Thoughts?

M3 Mammoth, M3 freeze, Rock.

I join games in a pack.. :) Always at server 1, You're always welcome to join us. Freeze is not over powered unless they are in professional hands, or in the hands of drug addicts. And by the way, M3 Firebird kills wasp in 2 seconds. So don't complain about it killing a hornet in 3 seconds. lol i didnt...that was someone else. dont get overexcited now :wink:

idk.. 4k difference isn't that much when you can manage to get 22k. Firebird countering freeze? No way we are allowing that... It would cause a huge unbalance. I wonder why I haven't seen you yet in any game. I've been hoping to see you all day. :mrgreen: Cant say i have EVER seen you in a game!!! Where you @?

Ahh a decent answer at last! Thanks for that. Good to hear that the developers are constantly addressing the balance of the game. Like i said previously I strive to join the best games possible! As for the drugging, it is rife in the game. The fully flared, using health happens all the time. That forces you to react in kind - all part of the game. I have asked you 2 times previously to tell me whats so funny about the price comparison. So for the third time?? A great point was made earlier in the thread regarding new guns that will need to be more over powered and just as overpriced. Your thoughts? Also the Firebird not countering the Freeze was another great point.

have to LOL at this thread now. Specially the snide remarks and inability to answer genuine questions regarding OP, cost, value and gameplay. perhaps admin should start taking players questions seriously, rather than commenting on how they are super pro, no one else can really play and the games is 100% correct. No one ever uses drugs, you never see a game with 3 fully drugged freeze rushing the flag either. this never happens......

Why bother? You dont address questions in other threads! Stick to thinking you are great and making snide remarks, you are great at that.

So you never respawned in the middle of a battle close to the flag then? You got a special hax that makes you respawn the perfect distance from the fight? Like I said in the post above, I agree with the teamwork. However not everyone plays in prearranged teams with clan members. Most of the games played are by random players in random teams. As for your snide remark, i try to play as higher ranked game as possible. Playing with better players gives a better game. Maybe you should try playing in a random game with some 'lesser' players? See how you PWN that freeze when someone drives in front of your bullets, or you cant back away cos a 'noob' is right up your ass blocking you. :lol:

Your point about the damage advantage is a fair one. My whole point about Freeze being OP is that when you play a CTF game it inevitably (and predictably) end up with two or more freezes rushing the flag supported by a few other units (usually a couple of isidas). Unless you have at least one freeze on your side, then its very hard to stop. So what you end up with is a freeze battle/mass pile up around the flag, or at bottle necks in the map. We all have our views on what guns are OP. But the fact is the CTF games often end up as described above. Very predictable, repetitive and boring. Obviously having a good team makes a massive difference. But i am generally talking about random games. Something I am looking forward to in T2 is the ability to have clan wars and teams. At the moment, here are a lot of 'clans' that turn up in games playing as a team against an unorganized random opposition.

quote=koolwalky]In my humble opinion, Ricochet is better than Freeze, and I'd say that you don't know anything about the various pros and cons of it. The best thing is, that ricochet is useless if you don't use the camera controls. As with Freeze, It ain't much of a problem if you compare it with another Tier 2 weapon with the same upgrade. I have played M3 Rail vs M3 Freeze, freeze wins. But every time I did an M2 Thunder vs M3 freeze on an M3 viking the Thunder won over the freeze just because of the increased range. The main thing that you said. First off all I am talking about short/med maps. Secondly, range doesnt come into it when you have your 'back to the wall' defending a rush on the flag. In your perfect world scenario, you would have plenty of range to see the freeze before he gets to you. What will your range do for you when you have just respawned in the middle of a freeze and other units? Same as the ability to bounce off walls - absolutely nothing. And i love the fact that you say that you beat freeze 'every time'. One point you are missing about Ricochet is that you can attack enemies that are hiding, isn't that OP also? Never said that richo wasnt OP, just that on short/med maps where range isnt a bonus, freeze is far more OP. Negative. Top players will NEVER use drugs without a good reason. Its basically "unfair" for the lower ranking players. You do realize that I AM laughing out loud after reading that... Join long-range games then, and if you see a freeze/hornet in it, get ready to get owned by a "real pro". So, you, being a 'real pro' would kill the freeze every time (as mentioned above), where as us mere mortals would get PWNed. Good point, well made. Final Conclusion, Freeze is not over powered for me. :) Kinda keep on the discussion. eh? In your perfect world senario, richo is placed in a great position ready to pick off the unsuspecting freeze as he appears over the horizon. You are that much of a great pro that you never respawn in the middle of a mass battle at the flag, and even if you did you would kill that freeze 'every time'. I take it you never get blocked by other players either, no one ever gets in the way of your shots and you can turn water into wine? BTW i will be laughing out loud for a long time over the drugging comment.

i didnt realize there were other threads on the subject. Shame on me :evil: Perhaps the others didnt have a poll :wink: agree about richo and thunder O.P also, however freeze targets multiple tanks so has the added bonus when in close combat. I guess you could argue that thunder can damage multiple targets too, but its not the same as charging into a group and freezing them all.... I think they developers got the concept of the freeze all wrong. i would like to see a 60-70% reduction in damage on freeze (perhaps the freeze effect could be made higher). The weapon should be used to primarily freeze your opponent, not kill them. This would then require a more team effort. The freeze immobilizes the opposition and other team mates do the killing. This is to me what freeze should function like. It would make freeze a truly team orientated weapon, rather than a solo flag raider.

Whats your thoughts on Freeze being overpowered? I think its so obviously overpowered its unreal. M3 is just a joke, when drugged it can kill most tanks in a fraction of a second, The freeze effect doesnt make a bit of difference as you are dead that quick anyway. The rate of energy drain is overpowered, however, combined with the effect of the freeze its so overpowered its crazy. Also, the freeze is the only 'high end' weapon to target multiple enemies. Another point. The freeze is a pretty cheap gun to buy - 22250 for an M3, in comparison to say 26650 for a Richo M3. Most top players use M3 freeze. In combination with an M3 Mammoth drugged up, its practically unstoppable. Games often lead to a mass frozen pile up with two or more drugged up mammoths with freeze at the center. The games become very boring and predictable. So overpowered is the Freeze that many times I have been playing in games and a player has started the game with another gun and due to losing the game has gone to the garage and equipped the good old M3 freeze! Boring! Im sure some of you will disagree..... however the only option is to do as many others have and get that M3 Freeze for yourself and so continue with making the game more boring. Medium and short map games are owned by Freeze tanks. So we have a massively overpowered gun. Freeze effect and multiple target capability. Its a weapon thats spoiling the game in its current state. I like the idea of the freeze, and its a good part of the game. But its way way too strong and needs another reduction.

That Wat Im Talking About Bro you are really dumb, fo real. bro. FIREBIRD DOESNT WORK TO UNFREEZE BECAUSE ITS A BUG>UNDERSTAND???????

link the website then....... :-)

doesnt give much time to produce something. better than it having finished already, i guess.

TRY TO USE FIREBIRD! the firebird doesnt work, its a bug. how come everyone else can comprehend this but you?

Deadline: January 31, 2011 at 23.00 (GMT) on Feb. 21, 2011. The results will be published on 24 February this year. ????