Parkour Club closed due to inactivity. Thank you so much for everything! ?

It is not true that they are automatically rejected and told to re-apply in the future if they miss a deadline, only Supported Parkour Clubs and Official Parkour Clubs have to publish at least 1 video every 12 weeks. May I know how clubs that already possess the "Official Status" or are a part of the "Club Support" seemingly cannot be kicked out of such programs for the same violation? Where do the rules make it clear they apply to both clubs looking to join these programs AND clubs already in the same programs? I think you didn't read the rules properly ? I said that the point was not to garner "much new" interest in Parkour with that one post, I never said that there is not the goal of getting new people into our community... My plan is to garner "much new" interest in Parkour with multiple posts, not with just that one post And no, I am not suggesting that people already in clubs break off to form their own new clubs Players are only not allowed to be a "Member" of more than 1 Parkour Club at a time, so I am of course okay with members of other clubs being seen in videos of other clubs as "helpers" or something of that sort, I never said I am not okay with that and nor do we have any rule that says Members of a particular Parkour Club must only contribute or help their Parkour Club. It doesn't effectively make the rule above pointless and is not an example of a double standard, because allowing a player to only be a Member of 1 Parkour Club means the player will get Support Resources, etc. only from 1 Parkour Club ? But the Parkour Rules also favors new Parkour Clubs and Parkour Clubs without 30+ videos in many ways. Also, now there is a clear and well-defined path for all Parkour Clubs to get paints. Anyway, I understand that paints play a significant role in a Parkour Club's activity and success and that it is currently difficult for new Parkour Clubs and Parkour Clubs without 30+ videos to get paints, so maybe I will reduce the number of videos required in the Parkour Club Support Program to be in its Silver level to 10 (from 15) and that of its Gold level to 20 (from 30), what do you think? ? And by the way, getting a paint by getting the "Official Status" is not an "alternative" way, it is just another way to obtain one more paint Then would you say that Marcus governs the Tanki Online community? Or that you governed a community because you were administrating a Discord server? I don't see what I do as "governing", because I don't think I am "governing" anything, I am just managing things as a Parkour Clubs Manager and a curator of the EN Parkour Subforum By the way, "Parkour Community Administrators" don't exist as far as I know, but I think I understand what you mean

The General Parkour Montage #4 but uncut.

Ahh I feel you, I also honestly feel bad that they (including me) lost the Phoenix paint or the Aero paint, but the thing is such paints were never given permanently, and they were not taken away in an instant, players were made aware in advance that they would lose the paint. And I frankly don't think it is currently possible to make such paints be given permanently without drastically changing what such paints mean, aaand we all know that a drastic change in what such paints mean will not end well, don't we? The good thing is, players can still try to get such paints back, but this time in a better and fairer manner. You can earn paints permanently from Parkour contests, I think things are balanced this way (Parkour contests for permanent paints, and Parkour Clubs for temporary paints)

Okay, I don't think it is pretty easy to abuse it to get a lot of "support" for very little work, Support Resources are given for each video that is at least 2 minutes long and has at least 8 Parkour tricks, not for "each video posted with a minimum 1 minute mark", by mistake I wrote "each video just has to be at least 1 minute long and related to Parkour to get approved for Support Resources" in one of my above forum posts. You can also get a lot of Support Resources for a lot of work by the way (but yes, that will require a lot of work) Ah okay, well, isn't everything in our world not permanent? Let's not focus too much on uncertainty

Bureaucratizing parkour within this game was never my goal and it still is not my goal, and it probably never will be my goal. May I know what double standards you are talking about? There may be so many reasons for people to not support the Parkour Rules, but there may also be so many reasons for people to support it, so what is your point? I never had a "wishy-washy" stance on all things parkour and everybody knows that. With all due respect, perhaps this comical above post of yours that nobody cared about is a great example of your wishy-washy stance on all things that I do ? I thought the point was obvious, the point was to convince players to create their own Parkour Clubs, the point was not to garner "much new" interest in Parkour (it is weird to hope or expect that one post to garner much new interest in Parkour). The Parkour Rules does not favor older Parkour Clubs to no avail, and nor does it only favor such Parkour Clubs, everyone can understand that. And by the way, I do not "govern" any community Do not call me a holy deity, because I am not a holy deity, I am just a mere mortal who is volunteering as a Parkour Clubs Manager and replying to your amazing forum posts. I did not know that you never play this game, I was simply seeking confirmation from you on whether there was only 1 special mode related to Parkour recently (because I did not play many special modes recently and I was not sure whether there was only 1 special mode related to Parkour recently), I was not pointing any error on your part

By the way, are you aware that Supported Parkour Clubs can get Support Resources for each video they publish? And that each video just has to be at least 1 minute long and related to Parkour to get approved for Support Resources? Just making sure whether you are aware of these things, because that may help me understand your concerns better and may even help me understand how many players are aware of them And may I know with or in what exactly are you talking about being a bit more easier in the rules for "official status"? I forgot to ask you this question before ?

Which discussion led to nothing? I think every discussion led to something ? Parkour paints will not be removed from Tanki Online, you can simply not apply to join Parkour Club Programs if you do not want a Parkour paint (and if your Parkour Club is already in a Parkour Club Program, your Parkour Club can leave the program at any time or you can leave your Parkour Club and create a new Parkour Club and not apply to join Parkour Club Programs)

The discussion was not about letting clubs keep their paints/status through unfair or wrong situations, that's why I didn't mention anything about it. There wasn't any rule that said clubs would lose paint if they missed deadlines, so I am not sure what you are talking about ? Are you suggesting that clubs should have lost their paint for missing deadlines? If yes, that doesn't sound to me like the right thing to do and I am pretty sure no one would like to lose their paint like that Oh, it was me who wrote that "post" and requested it to be published there (and it was about creating a Parkour Club, not about joining a Parkour Club), I'd also be interested in seeing how many people clicked on that link. Anyway, I am not sure what point you are trying to make by saying that you bet it didn't get many clicks, that "post" was not meant to garner much new interest in Parkour ? About the special game modes (not sure why you are talking about multiple special game modes, wasn't there only 1 special game mode related to Parkour recently?), I had no role in the creation of those special game modes and I don't think any Parkour player had any role in it either (otherwise, maybe they would've been better). Anyway, you have some good points, I will try to inform Marcus that we need Extreme Lightweight Construction augments to make such modes useful or truly enjoyable

How else can you look at its definition without contradicting its definition? We should look at its definition the way we are supposed to look at it, if we look at it differently then we may end up contradicting it or changing it partially or completely ? Well, I think whether Parkour is currently in a "very poor" state or not is subjective, so sure, if you think it is currently in a very poor state, that's fine, but I don't think it is currently in a very poor state because there are still players like you who discuss Parkour here in this forum topic, there are still players like you who want Parkour contests, Parkour Clubs get rewarded better now, there are still players who want to Parkour, there are still players who want to join a Parkour Club or create their own Parkour Club one day. I would compare the "parkour section" now and back in 2018-2020 as follows: It was declining in 2018-2020, but it is not declining now. How do you say so surely that there are no players who actively do "parkour" outside of "parkour clubs"? ? There are ways such as making being in a Parkour Club itself more interesting and rewarding, promoting Parkour videos in Tanki V-LOGs often, teaching Parkour in Tanki V-LOGs, making a game mode (inside Tanki) where you get certain objectives (maybe certain buildings as targets to land) to complete which results in certain rewards (maybe in-game currency), etc. If we start thinking properly and creatively, we can find many other ways ?

Oh okay, well, I think the situation is similar for me as well currently as it is currently not like Community Managers do not decide about it at all. To be honest, I think you should have asked to remove the Phoenix paint back then or at least not accepted it for F&F or asked to remove it from F&F if there was a fight about it (I am assuming that the fight was about the Phoenix paint) between clubs at that time And by the way, you were a parkour admin? Weren't you only managing parkour clubs? Even at present, there is no parkour admin Anyway, I gave a lot of thought about making the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone after you asked me to do so, and I decided that the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints should not be made unobtainable now because of the following reasons (so I am not going to try or take any action to make them unobtainable now): 1) It is currently possible to let the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints be obtainable to everyone without causing significant problems, damage, or harm to anyone or anything, 2) There is currently no need to make the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone as the Parkour Rules and the Parkour Club Programs were recently introduced which significantly reduce any negative impact and effects of letting the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints be obtainable to everyone, and 3) It seems most players have a positive impact and effect because of the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints and it seems most players like the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints. Thank you very much for trying to make things better! ?

I know that everyone may have their own definition of that, and that's one reason why I defined that officially in the Parkour Rules and in the forum topic of the Official Parkour Club Program: The Parkour Rules says "5.1.1. Clubs that are in the Official Parkour Club Program are called "Official Parkour Clubs" (or simply, "Official Clubs")." The forum topic of the Official Parkour Club Program says "The goal of the Official Parkour Club Program is to have 1 Parkour Club, which is the best, from each locale to represent the Game and their locale." We should not agree on the definition that it is a golden medal, because a golden medal is something given to someone permanently and it is problematic to consider the "Official Status" as a golden medal when it is not possible to unproblematically give it to someone permanently. Also, the "Official Status" was never given permanently, was it? For example, it was removed from GTT, etc. And by the way, currently only 1 Parkour Club can be an Official Parkour Club in each locale at a time, isn't it similar to what you are saying? ? Parkour is currently quite far from being in a "very poor" state, at least in the EN locale, there are still multiple Parkour Clubs and there are still a lot of players who Parkour (and some of such players are in Parkour Clubs and some of them are not in any Parkour Club). Parkour contests are an important factor that made new players interested in Parkour in the past, so I also think that Parkour contests must be held every now and then (but do know that the only way to get new players interested in Parkour is not to hold Parkour contests every now and then, there are other ways too). It is great that you have collected the feedback and will make a proposal to our Community Manager soon, I hope for the best ?

Okay, well, I always make sure that Parkour Clubs don't get any paint unfairly or wrongly, so I think I can confirm that this speculation of yours is only your speculation and not a reality currently ?

You are welcome, yes, we should definitely be encouraging Parkour to more new players, and also introduce some more Parkour contests with amazing prizes, but about support (assuming you mean support for Parkour Clubs), I think it is already better now (I just recently made it better), maybe it can be made even better later. And yes, we must make sure that Parkour is not just some forgotten art in Tanki and that the Parkour community is a bigger and ever-growing community, that's one reason why I did the things that I did (like publishing the Parkour Rules, etc.) recently. I am glad to know that players can or are able to directly tell me their issues, I think that's amazing And by the way, soon after Marcus did not agree to 1M Crystals, I asked him about 500K Crystals, and he later told me 200k Crystals. I started with 1M, a big number, because I thought that if I started with a smaller number like 500K then Marcus would agree to an even smaller number like 150K. Had I started with 500K Crystals, then maybe Marcus would have agreed to 150K Crystals or 100K Crystals and not 200K Crystals About asking Marcus to make more Parkour contests each year: I didn't say that I could ask our Community Manager to make more Parkour contests, I don't know if it is Marcus who is responsible for making Parkour contests, but sure, I will try to ask Marcus to make more Parkour contests each year because of this request of yours, but do know that as a Parkour Clubs Manager, I don't think Parkour contests are under my jurisdiction (it is not that I do not want to have Parkour contests under my jurisdiction, I would be happy to manage Parkour contests if I am given the authority to manage them), but I already talked to Marcus about Parkour contests multiple times so far since 2021. Some weeks ago, I talked to Marcus about Masters of Parkour 2024, but sadly, he told me that there are no plans yet to organize it. I asked Marcus about having a Tanki V-LOG Parkour challenge during 2022, and also during the previous month (January), it seems we can expect it in an upcoming Tanki V-LOG

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Hi hi, I think I am doing well, and I hope you are doing well, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think you are right that so many people don't understand how well they have it these days. I think that we are currently going in the right direction, and I think we will see more activity, quality, and care than in previous times with our current system. We should embrace the recent changes and work on growing the Parkour community for good By the way, this is not an ultimate showdown of Parkour Managers ?

I would argue that it is better now, and everything is not for free now. I am not fully sure what you mean by "All you need in contact in forum im i right?", but I think the answer to it is a no. By the way, I respect that you rather parkour for fun without having that inner motivation, keep it up ?

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I spent the past few days seriously thinking (I mean it) and calculating the potential risks of making the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone, and the following question kept coming into my head: Why wasn't such a move taken before? For example, when you were managing parkour clubs. So would you mind answering that question for me? ?

I understand and I honestly think 1500 supplies and 200k Crystals are a bit less. I wanted the Parkour Club Support Program to give 1M Crystals (yes, 1 million Crystals!) per video, but our Community Manager did not agree to that (probably because 1 million Crystals per video is too much and quite frankly, insane) and later it was decided to give 200k Crystals. This is the first time ever that Parkour Clubs in the EN locale are getting Crystals, so it won't be possible to increase the amount of Crystals right now. If Parkour Clubs perform better than their current performance with what they are getting now, then maybe I will be able to ask our Community Manager to increase the amount of supplies and Crystals given. Also, Support Resources are not given to upgrade gear and use in MM, it is recommended to use them wisely only on things that contribute positively to their Parkour Club and the Parkour community, such as buying supplies, upgrading and buying equipment helpful for Parkour, etc. since they are given to the Members of Supported Parkour Clubs for the work and help they did for their Parkour Club and the Parkour community. Let's not forget that what Parkour Clubs are getting now in the EN locale is a lot compared to what they were getting in the past (for example, before I became a Parkour Clubs Manager, there was a buffer system and parkour clubs in the EN locale were not even getting supplies for every single video). So now, let's try to be fully happy with what we are getting and try to show everyone that we deserve to get even more ? Sorry, I needed more time to give a proper comment on this suggestion that you made ?

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Okay, may I know what exactly you are suggesting? 1) Make the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone, or 2) Make the Phoenix, Aero, etc. paints unobtainable to everyone except the Parkour Clubs who got them first (such Parkour Clubs should keep them forever)?

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Well, why not paints? You care about paint diggers but not about "Support" diggers? How do you say that they assumed so or didn't even care about it? If what you are saying is true, then isn't that a reason why most clubs that ever existed closed? Don't you think that those clubs would have kept going if they got support and paints or at least support? History has shown us that without support and paints, most clubs would close (for example, I think you should look at the RU locale) To be honest, you are a great writer, you almost convinced me to ask Tanki to completely remove all the "parkour paints". But I have some questions: Hmm, so what do you suggest? Remove all the "parkour paints"? ? I'm not denying that paints were always a problem (in fact, I already know that they were always a problem), but I think there is nothing wrong if someone likes both parkour and paints, and I think there is nothing wrong if someone parkours because they want paints as long as they like parkouring. For you, they may be a "small reward" or a "cheap prize", but for others they may be a big reward or an expensive prize. So, if someone wants to parkour in order to achieve a paint, then why not let them do it? If doing so will only result in players to be happy and parkour to thrive, then why not? I think our current system is supporting those who love parkour and doesn't care about paints and also those who love parkour and care about paints, and at the same time, I think our current system does not support paint diggers, our current system is designed in such a way that it doesn't let paint diggers to easily keep their paints for a long time. I think "parkour paints" are an important factor in keeping parkour alive in Tanki, so I wouldn't call them an epic fail, I think the problem is with how they were given, not with the paints itself, I think they were given with a short term vision without properly keeping the future in mind You said "now you've also taken away the paint from the one club that got it before all this mess", but what is wrong with that? If you are talking about TFP, Phoenix was not given to TFP as "This is the Phoenix paint and it is for TFP only", and TFP can try to get it again. Can you explain how "paints are also too political"? (I feel that they are a bit political, but I wanna know how exactly they are too political) It is not true that "Almost half the clubs closed recently", only FTH and LPS closed (out of these two, I think only FTH was active), ToD and PTT moved to the DE locale. I believe that FTH and LPS will re-open in the future, or at least, I hope so.. Can you show me where "one of them publicly stated that the administration (you) pushed them to quit"? I never saw any such. Anyway, do know that I did not push any Parkour Club to quit and I don't even want any Parkour Club to quit, I truly want a lot of Parkour Clubs to open I was not trying to invalidate anybody's feelings and I did not disrespect anybody's "desire to take their time and release videos when they feel ready, and without an unwanted grind", I was trying to show them that the "activity requirements" are generous and that they are not a major factor because I felt like they didn't even know about those, maybe I should have communicated better Are you telling me that you read some text that I wrote and concluded that I completely missed somebody's feelings, that I did not listen to people's feelings, and that I did not take into account that many of the jokes in the parody are also explanations for why those rules are problematic and why people feel bad about them? I always try my best to not ignore or neglect or completely miss anybody's feelings and I always try my best to take into account everything others say (even if they are joking in some parody), so please don't jump to such conclusions just based on some text I wrote, I cannot fully express (and nor can you fully understand) how much I care about everyone's feelings and everyone's every word through text And you said "be generous with support", do know that Tanki is being more generous with support than ever before Also, do know that I am always monitoring players' feedback and trying to take necessary actions. Nothing is permanant in our world, and so is everything that we have now. And do know that Parkour Clubs do not have to apply for the Parkour Club Support Program or the Official Parkour Club Program, and they don't even have to make videos, they can simply exist, parkour, and have fun ?

The number of Members of each Official Parkour Club that can get the Phoenix or the Aero paint is the same as it was before, which is 14. The Parkour Rules, however, says that there can only be 1 Official Parkour Club per locale which is something that the Parkour Club Rules (which was effective before the Parkour Rules became effective) didn't say. One of the reasons why it is allowed to have only 1 Official Parkour Club per locale is to preserve the value of both the Program Paints of the Official Parkour Club Program and the Official Parkour Clubs. Players won't be happy to see that a same paint is being given to multiple Official Parkour Clubs, and I don't want players to hate on other Official Parkour Clubs just because they got the same paint as they got. Anyway, isn't it true that the Phoenix, Aero, and Glide paints were at first intended only to be given to 1 Parkour Club at a time? Let's not forget that the Onyx paint is given through the Parkour Club Support Program, which is easier to get than the Phoenix, Aero, and Glide paints, so players have a lot more chance to get a paint for being in a Parkour Club than before. Instead of ruining the value of Phoenix, Aero, and Glide paints by giving them to an unlimited number of Parkour Clubs, only 1 Parkour Club will have the Phoenix, Aero, and Glide paints, and an unlimited number of Parkour Clubs will have the Onyx paint. And now there is a chance that Official Parkour Clubs will be changed each year instead of letting certain Parkour Clubs to be Official Parkour Clubs forever, this will give other Parkour Clubs an opportunity to become and be an Official Parkour Club. I feel like everything is balanced, or at least, almost balanced now

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