Let's Discuss Thunder!

[IMPULSE-WARRIOR 161]

Thunder is fine, the devs no best remember.

[Abellia 504]

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Like I said, I didn't buy it for the criticals, I bought it because of its splash capabilities. Now instead of being a fun turret, its just point at enemy and shoot. I might as well use smoky or RRE striker.

That was the problem with the previous Thunder - the splash distribution was too consistently available and too strong, so people could just brainlessly spam shots with it and do damage, which was also part of how the protections got so prevalent. Now, you will hopefully only be able to do that on certain shots, making it less of a zombie turret (assuming they go all in with this template and don't just give it more critical rate). Criticals ARE the splash now - if you don't like that, then go play Striker. You can deny it all you want, but having critical splash replace its previous splash doesn't mean splash is gone.

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Welp, there you go again. Trying to justify yourselves and at the same time basically saying I don't have a right to an opinion simply because I'm not a legend or playing with legends. AKA, total hypocrisy.

The problem is that you say that you have an informed opinion. You do not. I don't see any hypocrisy here other than you calling us toxic after being the first one to stoop down to mudslinging. If you'd like to call us telling you to get more experience with Thunder played where we're playing it as an insult, I think you should reconsider what you're doing on the forums.

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

He bought it and maxed it out because of what it used to do and what it was unique for. He doesn't care if it was claimed to be weak or strong, he just wanted what the turret used to do. Same for me when I bought and maxed out thunder.

I'm going to stop you right here and say that arguing "I didn't pay for x, why'd they make y into x" doesn't go very far, especially when said aspect of turret is still intact. You can be indignant at the nerf that's happened to Thunder, but that argument for "splash is dead i didn't pay for this" when it's still intact in the form of criticals (third time saying this in this post btw) is ridiculous.

As a final note, I'm going to tell you that you need to play Thunder against the majority of scenarios in MM to get a real view of it and not just in the most ideal of conditions. If I wandered into the Shaft thread and said it was fine because I only played it on Highways, Scope, and Brest, nobody would take me seriously.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Abellia

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

On 10/28/2021 at 4:29 PM, Abellia said:

However, I don't think that Thunder having the easiest way to make use of splash is enough. Splash is not a unique mechanic, and neither is Thunder's ability to make use of it, you're severely underestimating the potential of Striker, Smoky, and Gauss' splash damages, (in my experience, at least).

This statement contradicts this other statement.

1 hour ago, Abellia said:

That was the problem with the previous Thunder - the splash distribution was too consistently available and too strong, so people could just brainlessly spam shots with it and do damage, which was also part of how the protections got so prevalent. Now, you will hopefully only be able to do that on certain shots, making it less of a zombie turret (assuming they go all in with this template and don't just give it more critical rate).

So which is it? Was thunder too weak or too strong?

1 hour ago, Abellia said:

The problem is that you say that you have an informed opinion. You do not. I don't see any hypocrisy here other than you calling us toxic after being the first one to stoop down to mudslinging.

There you go again with your justification nonsense.

1 hour ago, Abellia said:

You can be indignant at the nerf that's happened to Thunder, but that argument for "splash is dead i didn't pay for this" when it's still intact in the form of criticals (third time saying this in this post btw) is ridiculous.

YOU'RE the one saying it three times when you could've said it once. Got no one but yourself to blame for that.

 

Oh and by the way, I should make this very clear. If your buddy buddy boyfriends come and try to save you, I won't be hearing them cause their name will be added to my blocklist. So no point in trying to call your rescue team. And you know exactly who I'm talking about.

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 hours ago, Abellia said:

Really? I got good at aiming with Smoky and I can pretty consistently do very well with it now, with pretty much any of the augments.

It can't aim on the move anymore - shots go wild 50% of the time.  It's terrible.  Like I said my Vulcan mk7-13 is 10x better than smoky - autocannon or cryo or incendiary.

I suppose if you got lucky (or bought) one of the premium augments like stun or EMP or AP it might do better.  But I wouldn't know as I don't have any of those.

[Abellia 504]

28 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

So which is it? Was thunder too weak or too strong?

When will you read my posts? Thunder was too weak, and it got that way because it was too easy.

28 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

This statement contradicts this other statement

"Thunder having the easiest to use splash isn't enough." "Thunder having the easiest to use splash was part of the problem with the balance before." I don't see the issue - Thunder was weak to compensate for being ridiculously easy to use. 

28 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

here you go again with your justification nonsense.

Is this your response to any kind of logic disputing whatever is going on inside your head? If you take offense to people telling you to play Thunder in proper conditions and not just only finding perfect battles for it before you talk about it in said proper conditions, that's not their problem. It's like telling someone to read a book so they can write an actually good essay on it.

28 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

YOU'RE the one saying it three times when you could've said it once. Got no one but yourself to blame for that.

I said it three times hoping that you'd have read it. I'm not sure if you even did, judging the other contents of your post.

No clue what you mean by that last bit about buddy buddy boyfriends, but I don't have anything more to say to you. I don't think it's worth trying to convince someone who is so deep in denial of what's actually going on in the game.

Also, what happened to all your previous arguments? Dropping them in favour of insulting me is...not exactly helpful to convincing me.
 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Abellia

[Abellia 504]

16 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

It can't aim on the move anymore - shots go wild 50% of the time.  It's terrible.  Like I said my Vulcan mk7-13 is 10x better than smoky - autocannon or cryo or incendiary.

I suppose if you got lucky (or bought) one of the premium augments like stun or EMP or AP it might do better.  But I wouldn't know as I don't have any of those.

I've been able to aim just fine on the move, it takes a LOT of getting used to though. Autocannon might be your problem - it was nerfed into the garbage bin, then it got put in a trash compactor, then they lit it on fire. I mostly use High Precision Aiming System and Explosive Rounds. I'd suggest out of the crystal augments High Precision Aiming System, Adrenaline, and Cryo Rounds.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Abellia

[alkyng 3,080]

42 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

It can't aim on the move anymore - shots go wild 50% of the time. 

You don't believe if I said to you one day I played with my Stun Smoky, and I played like more than 3 minutes and have did no stun shot, every time I'm about to do a critical my shot go away. I rarely use Smoky, but it seems yes the aim is harder now.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, Abellia said:

When will you read my posts? Thunder was too weak, and it got that way because it was too easy.

 what kind of dumb logic is that? Its like saying that someone got into a car accident because their judgement and vision wasn't impaired.  

In other words, it makes no sense.

1 hour ago, Abellia said:

It's like telling someone to read a book so they can write an actually good essay on it.

But you gotta have a decent brain to do that. Yours seems to be rotting because you went from 3rd grade to graduation skipping all the grades in between. And that's just judging the illogical statements you have made thus far.

1 hour ago, Abellia said:

No clue what you mean by that last bit about buddy buddy boyfriends, but I don't have anything more to say to you. I don't think it's worth trying to convince someone who is so deep in denial of what's actually going on in the game.

Well, we will see about that.

Edited November 22, 2021 by At_Shin
Please refrain from using profanity.

[Abellia 504]

14 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

In other words, it makes no sense.

Too easy = too many people do well with it = gets nerfed = becomes weak.

 

14 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

But you gotta have a decent brain to do that. Yours seems to be rotting because you went from 3rd grade to graduation skipping all the grades in between. And that's just judging the i

Back to mudslinging.

 

Goodbye.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Abellia
no clue why it added extra lines at the bottom, mobile be weird

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

3 hours ago, Abellia said:

Too easy = too many people do well with it = gets nerfed = becomes weak.

This is actually the first thing that you said that made sense. And yet, it got even weaker.

 

 

8 hours ago, Abellia said:

we argue properly

So let me guess, you argue properly when you're ganging up on someone 5 on 1. 

 

I just hate being bullied. You want to know a personal secret? I was bullied alot in school. When I came to this forum in late 2016, I felt like I belonged. When the exp boost became a permanent thing, I left for 7 months. Decided to give it another chance. When I came back, it was no longer the forum that I knew and loved. Instead of being greeted with a friendly atmosphere, I was greeted by an overwhelmingly hostile one.

 

I rejoined Opexs group Vault 87, and left because his attitude toward some of my and other players questions gave off an impression that he didn't care. Which was fine, i didnt want to be in the same group as the wretches that were there anyway. Then I decided to make my steps to permanently retire from this game. I already plan to leave after black Friday event.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

@Abellia @DieselPlatinum Kindly refrain from lodging allegations against each other and provoking one another. Try to discuss things more formally, peacefully and engage in meaningful conversations and more importantly, stick to the topic. If you have a specific issue regarding the user, kindly sort it out in Forum PMs.

[Venerable 2,967]

Thunder nerfed huh.

Funny how I get killed so easily by Thunders that don't have protection modules against my turret, do not have any augment, and don't even use Booster - while I use Brutus 20/20. 

It. Just. Doesn't. Make. Sense.

I might record a few videos to show just how ridiculous it is - I don't think the nerf has affected the turret at all!

[Iron_Man 2,376]

Just now, nikunj04 said:

@Abellia @DieselPlatinum Kindly refrain from lodging allegations against each other and provoking one another. Try to discuss things more formally, peacefully and engage in meaningful conversations and more importantly, stick to the topic. If you have a specific issue regarding the user, kindly sort it out in Forum PMs.

What nikunj just said, doesn't apply to only those two, but to everyone in general.

This topic is for discussion regarding thunder, but not to target each other, and finally ruin our forum experience.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

51 minutes ago, nikunj04 said:

@Abellia @DieselPlatinum Kindly refrain from lodging allegations against each other and provoking one another. Try to discuss things more formally, peacefully and engage in meaningful conversations and more importantly, stick to the topic. If you have a specific issue regarding the user, kindly sort it out in Forum PMs.

 

14 minutes ago, Iron_Man said:

What nikunj just said, doesn't apply to only those two, but to everyone in general.

This topic is for discussion regarding thunder, but not to target each other, and finally ruin our forum experience.

 

Funny that when I decided to stand up for myself, you guys are against it but when I'm being ganged up on, then I can't report it even if I wanted to and you're nowhere to be seen. 

[Abellia 504]

1 hour ago, nikunj04 said:

@Abellia @DieselPlatinum Kindly refrain from lodging allegations against each other and provoking one another. Try to discuss things more formally, peacefully and engage in meaningful conversations and more importantly, stick to the topic. If you have a specific issue regarding the user, kindly sort it out in Forum PMs.

Alright, I was probably getting a little sassy there, I'll tone it down.

[NikmanGT 4,362]

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

 

Funny that when I decided to stand up for myself, you guys are against it but when I'm being ganged up on, then I can't report it even if I wanted to and you're nowhere to be seen. 

This isn't the topic to do so. If you want someone to understand your point of view, but that doesn't concern the game discussion, you have every right to do so in Forum PM.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

20 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

This isn't the topic to do so. If you want someone to understand your point of view, but that doesn't concern the game discussion, you have every right to do so in Forum PM.

I don't trust the forum PMs, the opponent could just easily invite his buddies to help him. Its simply better to do it in public.

 

Edited November 23, 2021 by nikunj04
Kindly refrain from provoking a user

[surging101 16]

This gun is just trash now. I've got it mk8 from the Christmas sale this week, and it's just sad, I even brought the sledgehammer alteration , but everything will outdamage you, at long range there are better weapons, get too close and you'll kill yourself, this weapons literally has no place in the current state of the game. What a waste of money, I regret spending 650k crystals on this trash turret, biggest mistake ever.

[Dopamine 2,161]

You may call me prophet, but I'll tell you what will happen with thunder.

It won't get a noticeable buff anytime soon. Instead, one sunny day, Devs will decide to put a p2w augment or two into the game, you know the drill, ap, EMP, maybe some super explosion thing... 

From that time on, thunder will be useable again - if you get the augment :).

[DMR 676]

https://prnt.sc/24ki8bu  from this screenshot apparently, a new alteration for thunder will come out? What's your opinion and your hypothesis about this?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

3 hours ago, Yveltal9 said:

https://prnt.sc/24ki8bu  from this screenshot apparently, a new alteration for thunder will come out? What's your opinion and your hypothesis about this?

I played with Serene while they were using Thunder. I didn't notice anything strange but that could have been the circumstance of bring on mobile and not having many enemies around for a long time. 

 

 

[alkyng 3,080]

Guys I want to say a thing, that alot of players consider Thunder us UP.  Thunder is a mediocre turret, and seems like a standard. If we buffed it, it will one-shot Wasp-Hornets with DD, and if we nerfed it - no need.  For being a mediocre, yes that made it boring, not giving you an interesting advantage or somehow.  Players who chose it, that's their decision of playing with a not OP or at least interesting turret. I mean Thunder is in the middle

[Spy 14,687]

5 hours ago, Yveltal9 said:

https://prnt.sc/24ki8bu  from this screenshot apparently, a new alteration for thunder will come out? What's your opinion and your hypothesis about this?

The developers mentioned that they have no plans to release new augments for Thunder in one of the Q&A blitzes. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

32 minutes ago, Spy said:

The developers mentioned that they have no plans to release new augments for Thunder in one of the Q&A blitzes. 

Do you know in which Vlog that was said?

[Spy 14,687]

1 hour ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Do you know in which Vlog that was said?

I'll try finding that for you