category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 1/4/2023 at 8:28 AM, dinek789 said:

You are incorrect. I clearly stated what kind of data it was necessary for it to be objective and not subjective, I literally listed 6 points. All of the people who are writing against me say hammer and tesla are good and cite no objective evidence, but just subjective feeling. They think hammer and tesla are good because they see them being used in battle. They offered no objective standard, and are attacking me. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. I don't care which turret and hull are the best or the worst, I go by stats, and whichever turns out to be the best is the best. I've had 20 responses to me and non of them have debunked my claims, and they just cry for some objective standrad, when I literally wrote what the six components I use.

Show your proof.

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:33 PM, dinek789 said:

The reason why I called him a coward was because he was raging about me using paladin isida and was insulting paladin players and telling me to change equipment. He even mocked my k/d ratio, and in battle, I responded to him that it was a JG mode in stadium and I was the only one attacking, the rest were camping in the back like he was with hornet gauss. In that particular battle, nobody cares about hornet overdrive, everyone can see where the Jg is in the map.

Yeah well, you still need X Ray vision to see enemies approaching your juggernaut. 

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:36 PM, soviet.reunion said:

Where's your evidence then? Or do you even know what it means? Saying how you got your evidence isn't the same thing as showing proof of it. 

Wait, are you actually going to dispute the fact that Railgun, Thunder and Smoky are the top 3 turrets in the game right now? Please show me objective evidence that this is so, list me your top 3 turrets and your objective evidence why you chose your top 3 and then we can move forward.

Edited January 4, 2023 by dinek789

[avengeful 111]

On 1/4/2023 at 5:42 PM, dinek789 said:

Wait, are you actually going to dispute the fact that Railgun, Thunder and Smoky are the top 3 turrets in the game right now? Please show me objective evidence that this is so, list me your top 3 turrets and your objective evidence why you chose your top 3 and then we can move forward.

Dude just drop screenshots of how you massacre guys with those turrets and debate will end

 

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:50 PM, avengeful said:

Dude just drop screenshots of how you massacre guys with those turrets and debate will end

 

Ok sir

[2shots2kills 2,364]

At this point this topic has become ridiculous, yes, let's all post our screenshots of us dominating with a certain Turret now.

 

Well, it must be said that such a development was to be expected, not much of an intelligent discussion can be held when talking about this game, which caters primarily to a very young audience.

 

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:42 PM, dinek789 said:

Wait, are you actually going to dispute the fact that Railgun, Thunder and Smoky are the top 3 turrets in the game right now? Please show me objective evidence that this is so, list me your top 3 turrets and your objective evidence why you chose your top 3 and then we can move forward.

Um, what? So... what you say is true unless proven wrong? I'm sorry little boy but that's not how this works. 

 

If you want what you say to be defined as objective and what everyone else says as subjective then you're the one who has to provide proof. And by proof I mean proof, not how you got the proof without actually showing the proof itself. 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:33 PM, dinek789 said:

The reason why I called him a coward was because he was raging about me using paladin isida and was insulting paladin players and telling me to change equipment. He even mocked my k/d ratio, and in battle, I responded to him that it was a JG mode in stadium and I was the only one attacking, the rest were camping in the back like he was with hornet gauss. In that particular battle, nobody cares about hornet overdrive, everyone can see where the Jg is in the map.

 

I mocked your K/D ratio because you see  around 1.00 K/D was not what i would consider good for a paladin but thats not it you were using vampire isida too. the ultimate noob conbo who's scared of losing K/D. 

You were the only one attacking? IDK can't tell but what i CAN TELL is that you died in the middle of the map everytime you tried to come because you were obvious easy target. 

Everybody (from what we can see) cares about Hornet OD also its not X-RAY vision it also shows how much HP your enemy has and i find it very useful little feature. 

You call another people cowards but use the most braindead OP hull that is Paladin. Interesting logic.

You changed into scorpion and viking or whatever but you did absolutely nothing. you got like 17/6 in 15 minute battle. Then you come here drop 3 random turrets that we're revealed as best in your dream and said disagree = you don't play the game. Lol

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/4/2023 at 3:01 PM, 2shots2kills said:

At this point this topic has become ridiculous, yes, let's all post our screenshots of us dominating with a certain Turret now.

 

Well, it must be said that such a development was to be expected, not much of an intelligent discussion can be held when talking about this game, which caters primarily to a very young audience.

 

Oh no it hasn't. I'm sure someone will try to make that happen in order to try to escape the nonsense he has been spewing but anyone with a brain can tell its really about getting him to admit that his opinion really isn't more factual than anyone elses. 

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 1/4/2023 at 8:42 AM, dinek789 said:

Wait, are you actually going to dispute the fact that Railgun, Thunder and Smoky are the top 3 turrets in the game right now? Please show me objective evidence that this is so, list me your top 3 turrets and your objective evidence why you chose your top 3 and then we can move forward.

Wait, are you still not presenting your "objective evidence" that you are right? Please show us some real proof right now (aside from your verbal claims) and then we can move forward.

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 3:22 PM, Kimura said:

 

I mocked your K/D ratio because you see  around 1.00 K/D was not what i would consider good for a paladin  but thats not it you were using vampire isida too. the ultimate noob conbo who's scared of losing K/D. 

You were the only one attacking? IDK can't tell but what i CAN TELL is that you died in the middle of the map everytime you tried to come because you were obvious easy target. 

Everybody (from what we can see) cares about Hornet OD also its not X-RAY vision it also shows how much HP your enemy has and i find it very useful little feature. 

You call another people cowards but use the most braindead OP hull that is Paladin. Interesting logic.

You changed into scorpion and viking or whatever but you did absolutely nothing. you got like 17/6 in 15 minute battle. Then you come here drop 3 random turrets that we're revealed as best in your dream and said disagree = you don't play the game. Lol

It was the day tanki fund rewards came and I was trying isida vampire, I don't play that combo usually. I switched to scorpion to try the new augment that also came with the tanki fund. I don't think you are showing anything here.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 3:20 PM, soviet.reunion said:

Um, what? So... what you say is true unless proven wrong? I'm sorry little boy but that's not how this works. 

 

If you want what you say to be defined as objective and what everyone else says as subjective then you're the one who has to provide proof. And by proof I mean proof, not how you got the proof without actually showing the proof itself. 

I don't owe you or anyone else anything. I wrote my evidence in the earlier posts about my objective standard which shows if the turret is good or not. I don't see a reason why I should type the stats I keep around, Its not anything special. Anyone can follow the stats using the method I described earlier and see that I was correct about the top turrets.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 3:22 PM, Kimura said:

 

Also, I am waiting for @NikmanGT to react to you calling me a monkey, or will he ignore the post, as it was not written by me. We shall see. He always warns me about my language.

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[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/4/2023 at 3:38 PM, dinek789 said:

I don't owe you or anyone else anything. I wrote my evidence in the earlier posts about my objective standard which shows if the turret is good or not. I don't see a reason why I should type the stats I keep around, Its not anything special. Anyone can follow the stats using the method I described earlier and see that I was correct about the top turrets.

Au contraire, if you want your delusions to be considered as objective facts then you do owe proof of it. 

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 3:53 PM, soviet.reunion said:

Au contraire, if you want your delusions to be considered as objective facts then you do owe proof of it. 

You don't seem to be open minded, but have already made the decision to call my views delusions. So, I'm afraid, even though I consider my evidence to be top notch, I don't think there is any chance of convincing such an intellectual giant like you.

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/4/2023 at 4:04 PM, dinek789 said:

You don't seem to be open minded, but have already made the decision to call my views delusions. So, I'm afraid, even though I consider my evidence to be top notch, I don't think there is any chance of convincing such an intellectual giant like you.

If you'd like to convince me maybe... show it to me? 

[Me0w_XP 523]

On 1/4/2023 at 10:04 AM, dinek789 said:

You don't seem to be open minded, but have already made the decision to call my views delusions. So, I'm afraid, even though I consider my evidence to be top notch, I don't think there is any chance of convincing such an intellectual giant like you.

Actually, you're the least open minded here as you absolutely refuse to even consider any counterarguments, instead insisting that your view is objective and correct. Absolutely baseless and shameful. You claim that your evidence is definitely top notch, yet you have thus far failed to offer as much real evidence as you claim to possess.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Me0w_XP

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On 1/4/2023 at 7:04 AM, dinek789 said:

You don't seem to be open minded, but have already made the decision to call my views delusions. So, I'm afraid, even though I consider my evidence to be top notch, I don't think there is any chance of convincing such an intellectual giant like you.

Um, you might want to provide the evidence and not just write it out. People are already starting to think you're bluffing (me included honestly). So if you really do have the evidence, now is the time to present it. Otherwise, people will consider it your loss and you will just be known as someone who likes to get into senseless arguments. (the whole thing from start to this point has already been so and is on thin ice right now anyway)

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On 1/4/2023 at 8:33 AM, frederik123456 said:

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ooo I wanna play! this game. feed the troll. brrrrrrrrrrr

 

dinek I only read mostly some of what you wrote. and a bit of what others wrote. But I have no idea where you posted your objective claims so to speak or what you are claiming.

 

I seem to gather you are saying that the strongest turrets are thunder, smoky, and rail? And I don't see a clear statment of what you view the other turrets as... like trash/garbage, unplayable, simply below the quality of thunder, smoky and rail but still good in their respective rights. etc

 

I actually think smoky is kinda trashy at the moment to be honest. i like the changes to auto cannon sure, but everything has its problem. Mostly that smoky protect/armadillo protect can really trash this combo for you. if you are relying on more critical hits with auto cannon well armadillo shuts that down. Not only that, but on a whole smoky just seems to miss a whole lot now. I can literally be pointing point blank at an oppenent with that helpful red outline shining and my smoky shot will wiz right overtop them and miss them dispite being at melee range, or bit further. And thats every augment case with smoky. Its still a basic turret. Id say a bunch of it is good. The precision aiming I would agree is maybe one of its stronger augment right now? Or the straight buff to damage whatver that one is. I think it was recently bufed and I am doing well with it. 

Thunder is strong, with strong augments mostly. So I don't think anyone is arguing with you here. Good combos exist. 

Rail, has always had plenty of different augments to choose from, etc and yes good combos exist.

 

Now to overstate that: Good combos exist.

 

To say that the only way you have a good combo is: turret thunder, rail, smoky with: drone: any protection: any augment: any immunity: any map: any mode: any <--- is the pinnacle and -----> turret: other with any protection augment immunity map mode drone hull etc is garbage... its the kind of argument you deserve to spend the rest of your life trying to defend in these forums because its hopeless. 

 

The facts  I need from you in deciding if you have something to listen to or not as a neutral is what you need as objective facts or stats. The only objective fact that matter to me about wether a combo is good (the turret alone is irrelevant... all thos ethings you said about what is relevant or not. No. no. just no. what matters is the combo) aids in victory. Or better yet, a combo guarantees victory in Mode: X. A variety of excellent combos exist in all forms for all different maps and modes. To say anything contrary to that... makes you at best ignorant or intellectually dishonest. I dont care my turret. If I'm on any number of small maps, I can almost guarantee Im winning a game of assault as attacker with combo: Hunter, Heavy weight, Trickster, protectons vary, but armadillo, spider usually and Ill throw in the 2 most annoying turrets, and turret.... well... any? I mean, I dont care about the kills. I need something that scores flags every run, or every other run. 

 

Also a side bit: if in reality thunder rail and smoky were all that was good, all id need do is equip those three protections with armadillo and the risk is severely reduced. But this causes chain reaction. The increasingly better any particular turret is, a slight OBJECTIVELY REAL even bigger boost is given to all other turrets. If thunder gets those revolutionary new augment, and a revolutionary new turret that is powerful comes in like scorpion, and the next best thing is lets say whatever tesla or anyt other. Then sure, they are so good they get used by a lot of people, and a heck of a lot more people equip their protects. And then i can choose any other turret, even maybe a weaker one, but with knowledge of how to use it, and no one equipping its protect... because honestly who even equips fire protect any more. Fire protect maybe? But then you go non burning increased damage mixed, go into game, no one has your protect and you get kills... if that is the goal and helps. 

 

The position you hold is so hopeless youve drawn me in. Couldnt help it. 

[TargetXAcquired 277]

On 1/4/2023 at 1:42 PM, dinek789 said:

Wait, are you actually going to dispute the fact that Railgun, Thunder and Smoky are the top 3 turrets in the game right now? Please show me objective evidence that this is so, list me your top 3 turrets and your objective evidence why you chose your top 3 and then we can move forward.

The best turret in the game is any turret paired with the broken legal hack (floating trash can) paladin.

There you go, a objective appraisal that is a undisputed and undeniable fact.

Fact is the best turret is decided by the cash grab devs as to which one they make OP to ensnare the weak willed buyers.

On 1/4/2023 at 2:22 PM, Kimura said:

Everybody (from what we can see) cares about Hornet OD also its not X-RAY vision it also shows how much HP your enemy has and i find it very useful little feature. 

Agree.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 2:22 PM, Kimura said:

On 1/4/2023 at 2:22 PM, Kimura said:

but use the most braindead OP hull that is Paladin

Agree.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 4:41 PM, PirateSpider said:

people will consider it your loss and you will just be known as someone who likes to get into senseless arguments.

I take offence to that. I'm the one everyone associates with senseless arguments. 

Couldn't resist it. Well past L50 and this is the cheap reward I get. I didn't even bother claiming it, like I need more speed boosts. 

Just a slight edit: There is no game balance to discuss really as it does not exist, ergo nothing to discuss.

Edited January 4, 2023 by TargetXAcquired

[Me0w_XP 523]

AP is one of the status effects that got the shorter end of the stick when Repair Kit got the ability to remove status effects. It is an effect that is meant to strip a tank of its defenses, so I propose that, for the duration of the effect, AP will render immunity augments useless. The moment the effect is over, the immunity will continue to function as normal (immediately remove a stun, EMP, etc).

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:45 PM, TargetXAcquired said:

I'm the one everyone associates with senseless arguments. 

I noticed, but at least you're honest about it. I've encountered countless of these types of people that were in denial.

[wolverine848 13,097]

On 1/4/2023 at 9:22 AM, Kimura said:

I mocked your K/D ratio because you see  around 1.00 K/D was not what i would consider good for a paladin

Doesn't it depend on what the player is doing in the Paladin?

Not everyone gets most of their points from kills.  Capping adds up to a lot of score and you don't need a single kill in order to cap.

K/D is one of the most useless stats there is.

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/5/2023 at 7:34 AM, wolverine848 said:

Doesn't it depend on what the player is doing in the Paladin?

Not everyone gets most of their points from kills.  Capping adds up to a lot of score and you don't need a single kill in order to cap.

K/D is one of the most useless stats there is.

In a match i get a picture of you from what you use. If you use PALADIN (the most OP hull that makes you borderline invincible for 20 sec) and Vampire Isida (augment that makes you soft-immortal as long as you have energy in your Isida) guess what im going to think of you? i think its obvious. I know not everyone is a camping God but 16/7 K/D with camping? im sorry its just absurd for legend 50+ or whatever he was. Thats barely above 1 kill PER MINUTE. HE WAS CAMPING. Im Legend 103 and i get 60-80 Kills with 0-3 deaths when im camping in full 15 minute battle. he should be getting at least 60% of that at Legend 50+. When you play with flying monkey you instantly prove that you're scared of losing and have absolutely no skill because you rely on something as pathetic as Paladin. But all that aside HE crapped on campers saying they're trash while getting whopping 1 kill/min then comes to forum says that 3 absolutely random turrets are BY FAR THE BEST AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME. Then he gets cooked by like 10 people proving him wrong but he doesn't accept that fact. don't believe me? just read what happened.