category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 1/2/2023 at 10:10 AM, dinek789 said:

All of these people are coming after me acting like I said anything controversial but I bet that If I made a list of TOP 3 turrets in the game right now, you would agree.

TOP 3 turrets currently in the game (all augments included) are:

1. Thunder

2. Railgun

3. Smoky

 

Is this based off of how many of them are in battle? Or how well they do in battle?

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On 1/4/2023 at 12:12 AM, Kimura said:

Camping in Stadium JGR.... im on the naughty list this year no gifts for me i guess... Next time i'll play in Stadium i'll equip Mammoth and Firebird and go into attacking. 
You're not even good at stalking bud. 

I'll explain my Gauss/Hornet conbo. 

Gauss - free 4k+ damage on JGR big splash for kills. 4 Gauss shots and JGR is dead.

Hornet - Free wallhack for my teammates very useful from my experience. I get kills fast enough to where when my Hornet OD runs out my new hornet OD is at 60-80% so my team basically has wallhacks 24/7 active. Also more than likely i was by far first on the leaderboard so its not like my camping hurt someone. 

You are getting cooked by a lot of people i see so i'll guess you're the one spewing nonsense. When i camp i help my teammates with some kind of support. Always. 

I never said it was a bad combo, I just said what you were using. I don't care that I am getting "cooked" by other people. The majority opinion  is not always right, and actually I would say majority opinion is usually what mediocre people will side with so the conclusion is: What is majority opinion is usually wrong.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 12:41 AM, 2shots2kills said:

Out of sheer curiosity, may we all see those stats you keep talking on about?

You say as a matter of fact, that the absolute best Turrets in the game right now are: Smoky, Thunder, Railgun.

But I still fail to see any objective fact over your subjective posts regarding those Turrets... because so far, all I can see is your own opinion, which is what it is, just the opinion of a single player. And an opinion is still subjective, unless, as I said, you have actual data to show us. 

Otherwise, you are really going to look like someone who only likes to talk big. 

And it looks like you still have some work left to do, with all this tryharding your Efficiency rating is sitting at 86 831, while the Efficiency of an old player like me who plays with Turbo Twins and Brutus for the memes is at 87 390.

Oh also, you are free to stalk me as well, you never know what you can learn. 

Of course it is objective, when I literally listed the criteria in the comment above, what I consider to be objective evidence. So, far not a single player has debunked any of my claims about top 3 turrets, which was the basis for these whole discussion. All I saw were little digs and emotions. Basically, people acting like children. I don't even know what Efficiency rating is or how it is measured and I don't care. I finish top 3 every battle and I am f2p also with Brutus and just a few combos maxed. I didn't even play matchmaking until last year. I only played xp/bp.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 6:15 AM, PirateSpider said:

Is this based off of how many of them are in battle? Or how well they do in battle?

Wouldn't you say it was both? I mean Scorpion was OP when it came out and everyone was using it. 

On 1/4/2023 at 4:30 AM, Me0w_XP said:

Hornet's wallhack OD has become a valuable asset and even a target for enemies in some battles.

You are acting like anyone cares for team play, and doesn't use the combo based on a personal preference. Yeah sure, lets see, Imma use scorpion viking because hey, every team needs one camper in the base and not because I want to play that combo. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by NikmanGT

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On 1/4/2023 at 2:34 PM, dinek789 said:

 

Kindly be civil and respectful in your posts, insults and slangs will not be tolerated on the platform.

Same goes for everyone else.

[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 1/4/2023 at 10:04 AM, dinek789 said:

Of course it is objective, when I literally listed the criteria in the comment above, what I consider to be objective evidence. So, far not a single player has debunked any of my claims about top 3 turrets, which was the basis for these whole discussion.

Oh I see, so just because some turrets are played more then others and many players use protections against them, you assume that those are the most powerful.

So this is why you consider Railgun, a nearly-useless turret, to be top 3. 

"but they finish top-3" they finish top 3 because they most likey play TDM in CTF or other modes, racking up points and ignoring the main objective.

 

So, In your mind, would you consider a LCR Railgun camping in the back in Siege a better asset for the team than, let's say, a Stun Hammer that purposely stops Ares and Titan ODs, but makes far less points and places lower in the scoreboard? 

 

And if you happen to not care about teamplay, than you should just go play TDM, because being "the best possibile in the game" actually means winning battles by playing for the objective, not farming useless K/D ratio.

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Last thing. You don't even know what Efficiency Rating is and you just started playing MM last year as a F2P with a few combos, yet you act like we are all acting like clueless children. You seem like the one who has no idea what he's talking about here, let me tell you.

Edited January 4, 2023 by 2shots2kills

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On 1/4/2023 at 10:04 AM, dinek789 said:

You are acting like anyone cares for team play, and doesn't use the combo based on a personal preference. Yeah sure, lets see, Imma use scorpion viking because hey, every team needs one camper in the base and not because I want to play that combo. 

You do realise that we need to win battles to complete missions nowadays right? 

We don't always need a camper but we do need a hornet that can stay alive while getting points quickly. 

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 10:45 AM, 2shots2kills said:

Oh I see, so just because some turrets are played more then others and many players use protections against them, you assume that those are the most powerful.

So this is why you consider Railgun, a nearly-useless turret, to be top 3. 

"but they finish top-3" they finish top 3 because they most likey play TDM in CTF or other modes, racking up points and ignoring the main objective.

 

So, In your mind, would you consider a LCR Railgun camping in the back in Siege a better asset for the team than, let's say, a Stun Hammer that purposely stops Ares and Titan ODs, but makes far less points and places lower in the scoreboard? 

 

And if you happen to not care about teamplay, than you should just go play TDM, because being "the best possibile in the game" actually means winning battles by playing for the objective, not farming useless K/D ratio.

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Last thing. You don't even know what Efficiency Rating is and you just started playing MM last year as a F2P with a few combos, yet you act like we are all acting like clueless children. You seem like the one who has no idea what he's talking about here, let me tell you.

Again, I see projection and strawman coming from you. My top 3 turrets in the current meta is based on objective stats, not about what turrets is the most used, I listed six points from which I gather data and determine the best turret. And again, you are making it like I am making moral judgements about team play and other things, when I am literally writing what other people respond to me. I never said team play is not important, I was responding to a person claiming that having hornet in the team was useful because of its OD. My response was that nobody picks a combo based on what team needs, but what a player wants to play, has upgraded, feels comfortable, or is useful for the map/game mode. No, I don't know what efficiency rating is, I don't look at my stats as they are incorrect. When I see my profile, there are many things that are wrongly calculated and listed ( e. g. which drones or hulls I use and how much exp I gained). Because of that reason, I stopped looking at the stats years ago, as developers don't care about fixing anything. I never said I knew everything, I just said that Tesla and Hammer are worse than before and that Railgun and Thunder are the best turrets currently in this meta, using stats and reason. Everyone else started crying, I guess because they have some weird fetish for tesla and hammer.

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 10:51 AM, soviet.reunion said:

You do realise that we need to win battles to complete missions nowadays right? 

We don't always need a camper but we do need a hornet that can stay alive while getting points quickly. 

Do you play this game?? Like I have never in the last 5 years seen a player care if a team wins or not, or to help the team. One third of the players camp and don't care, another third cant even turn their turrets, and then a few people actually try and win the game.

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On 1/4/2023 at 1:45 PM, 2shots2kills said:

 

Last thing. You don't even know what Efficiency Rating is and you just started playing MM last year as a F2P with a few combos, yet you act like we are all acting like clueless children. You seem like the one who has no idea what he's talking about here, let me tell you.

Dude efficiency rating is broken like since forever :DD 

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:02 AM, avengeful said:

Dude efficiency rating is broken like since forever :DD 

sshhhh don't tell him, he thinks that numbers he sees on the screen on the website that even developers don't know exists, are real.

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What are you guys fighting for i dont get. Like one player finds one turret strong and you try to prove that it isnt? XDD. Dude literally finds smoky strong, let him have his own fun. 

[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:02 AM, avengeful said:

Dude efficiency rating is broken like since forever :DD 

So what? Even if those numbers are not updated, they still reflect the overall rating of a player at the time.

On 1/4/2023 at 11:04 AM, dinek789 said:

sshhhh don't tell him, he thinks that numbers he sees on the screen on the website that even developers don't know exists, are real.

That website is literally on the homepage. And yes, sadly for you, the numbers are indeed real. https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/

Edited January 4, 2023 by 2shots2kills

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Well in 90% of my battles i finish first with more than 35 kills with Hammer Duplet and of course Crisis even if they have many protections. 

Every turret can be good if you use it wisely 

Right now for me twins pulsar obviously is the most annoying but that doesnt mean i cant back it up with my Hammer that i always used.

[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:04 AM, avengeful said:

What are you guys fighting for i dont get. Like one player finds one turret strong and you try to prove that it isnt? XDD. Dude literally finds smoky strong, let him have his own fun. 

Some unknown player suddenly barges in and makes ridiculous claims with no real reasoning behind them, and calls all other players having a different opinion dumb.

And we should just shut up? You do you. 

[avengeful 111]

On 1/4/2023 at 2:13 PM, 2shots2kills said:

Some unknown player suddenly barges in and makes ridiculous claims with no real reasoning behind them, and calls all other players having a different opinion dumb.

So basically has his own fun? XDD. what is bad at having different opinion about what is strong and what is weak? As for calling other people dumb, i didnt read all of it so i may have missed something but first comments he wrote werent so discriminating, at least werent enough to make me notice. As for follow up, i understand him more, even if he got angry. like imagine posting opinion about way you play and see game and others barging in asking you to provide data, in depth analysis and present it in court, so that your opinion may have right to be posted here.

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:09 AM, 2shots2kills said:

So what? Even if those numbers are not updated, they still reflect the overall rating of a player at the time.

That website is literally on the homepage. And yes, sadly for you, the numbers are indeed real. https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/

No, they are not real. It says I played with brutus 1.9 hours, with booster 3.1 hours and supplier 3.2 hours. That is literally not correct, I don't know where those numbers come from. Also the paints and exp I gained with hulls is impossible I played with hornet for 5 years without change and It says I only got a mil exp, And the biggest thing is, when you add all exp earned with my hulls or turrets, the number does not even come close to the total exp that I have earned as a legend 61 rank. But sure, you can try again.

[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:00 AM, dinek789 said:

 

Your "objective" opinion is not reflected by the top legend players, nor I see the best players out there playing with the "meta" equipment you keep talking about. 

Sure, we all see Railguns and Smoky wrecking havoc in MM... I can see why you were an xp/bp player.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 11:20 AM, dinek789 said:

No, they are not real. It says I played with brutus 1.9 hours, with booster 3.1 hours and supplier 3.2 hours. That is literally not correct, I don't know where those numbers come from. Also the paints and exp I gained with hulls is impossible I played with hornet for 5 years without change and It says I only got a mil exp

Then your profile is either broken, or you don't remember what equipment you play with while you stalk people. My profile is mostly correct, other than some outdated numbers. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by 2shots2kills

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On 1/4/2023 at 10:02 AM, dinek789 said:

Like I have never in the last 5 years seen a player care if a team wins or not, or to help the team. One third of the players camp and don't care, another third cant even turn their turrets, and then a few people actually try and win the game.

Gotta say I totally agree with this assessment. 

TO has been in decline for at least 2-3 years now, like major decline. Most players know the reason behind this so I won't go into text wall mode explaining the multitude of extremely bad decisions made by the devs, (from a players perspective) solely for cash gains.

Of course some of the things the devs do for their player base is not for cash, like all the in-game notifications that cover the entire screen throughout a battle, making it very difficult to see anything other than the useless scribbles that appear every second and hinder your ability to actually see the enemy. 

Way to go hazel......keep up the good work......try acting on player feedback that actually improves gameplay. 

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On 1/4/2023 at 11:18 AM, avengeful said:

As for follow up, i understand him more, even if he got angry. like imagine posting opinion about way you play and see game and others barging in asking you to provide data, in depth analysis and present it in court, so that your opinion may have right to be posted here.

He only got asked for that after claiming that everything everyone else said was subjective while what he said was objective. 

 

He hasn't been asked for data for the right to be here... he was asked for data for the right for his opinion to be considered as objective facts above everyone else's mere subjective opinions. 

 

If you claim that your views are more factual than those of others you should have to justify why they should be. 

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:02 AM, dinek789 said:

Do you play this game?? Like I have never in the last 5 years seen a player care if a team wins or not, or to help the team. One third of the players camp and don't care, another third cant even turn their turrets, and then a few people actually try and win the game.

Of course that'd be what you see... if you see someone helping his team as a coward obviously you'd never see anyone trying to help their team as you clearly don't even know what it looks like. 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:04 AM, dinek789 said:

You are acting like anyone cares for team play, and doesn't use the combo based on a personal preference. Yeah sure, lets see, Imma use scorpion viking because hey, every team needs one camper in the base and not because I want to play that combo. 

Yes there are people who care about team gameplay. (me included)
When i use Gauss i put it with hornet for X-Ray not wasp or hopper because they do nothing to help defending attacking or whatever. I could use mammoth or something but i don't

i use scorpion and titan while camping sounds like im selfish? Nope. While using that conbo i am a defensive juggernaut you need some effort to even get close near a flag.

there is a difference between camper who tries to save his  0,89K/D and Useful camper the one that defends the flag or helps his/her team. Team with no campers have no defence because of that enemy team just cannot lose. 

viking scorpion would fall in selfish camper territory you put nothing on the table on your team. (Yea you could use your OD that you get once a match to kill 1-3 enemies that are going for the flag but are you going to waste entire viking OD for that?? Viking OD is obviously offensive OD that is intended to wipe out entire enemy team so you can steal a flag/ball)

you use scorpion with Hornet (x-Ray)?
Hunter (fast OD allows to stun/kill attackers) 

Titan(OD allows to be in "Godmode" or 20 sec even if you got AP'ed your teammates could still use your shield) or Ares(insta heal for 2ish sec while demaging the enemy)? No? you're useless camper. There are many combos that look like camper conbos while in reality making you MVP of the match.

TL;DR Useful campers >>>>>>> infinity >>>>>>>> campers. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Kimura

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On 1/4/2023 at 12:31 PM, 2shots2kills said:

Then your profile is either broken, or you don't remember what equipment you play with while you stalk people. My profile is mostly correct, other than some outdated numbers. 

Profiles are actually broken. After the servers came back i went down 35,000 places in efficiency my crisis usage got 50 hours removed and XP clearly doesn't add up to my 22 million XP i have. Im 100% sure another stats got removed too but i can't tell since i don't remember them all at the top of my head.

i combined all my XP i got from USING HULLS and i got. 15,786,860 when i did this i had 22,058,609 XP

6,271,749  XP is missing. Profiles are not a good way to check what people are doing nowadays

Edited January 4, 2023 by Kimura
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[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 1/4/2023 at 1:42 PM, Kimura said:

Profiles are actually broken. After the servers came back i went down 35,000 places in efficiency my crisis usage got 50 hours removed and XP clearly doesn't add up to my 22 million XP i have. Im 100% sure another stats got removed too but i can't tell since i don't remember them all at the top of my head.

i combined all my XP i got from USING HULLS and i got. 15,786,860 when i did this i had 22,058,609 XP

6,271,749  XP is missing. Profiles are not a good way to check what people are doing nowadays

That's too bad. Sometimes I wish we had something akin to Wotlabs from WoT, but the playerbase here is far too small for that.

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:35 AM, soviet.reunion said:

He only got asked for that after claiming that everything everyone else said was subjective while what he said was objective. 

 

He hasn't been asked for data for the right to be here... he was asked for data for the right for his opinion to be considered as objective facts above everyone else's mere subjective opinions. 

 

If you claim that your views are more factual than those of others you should have to justify why they should be. 

You are incorrect. I clearly stated what kind of data it was necessary for it to be objective and not subjective, I literally listed 6 points. All of the people who are writing against me say hammer and tesla are good and cite no objective evidence, but just subjective feeling. They think hammer and tesla are good because they see them being used in battle. They offered no objective standard, and are attacking me. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. I don't care which turret and hull are the best or the worst, I go by stats, and whichever turns out to be the best is the best. I've had 20 responses to me and non of them have debunked my claims, and they just cry for some objective standrad, when I literally wrote what the six components I use.

[dinek789 60]

On 1/4/2023 at 11:39 AM, soviet.reunion said:

Of course that'd be what you see... if you see someone helping his team as a coward obviously you'd never see anyone trying to help their team as you clearly don't even know what it looks like. 

The reason why I called him a coward was because he was raging about me using paladin isida and was insulting paladin players and telling me to change equipment. He even mocked my k/d ratio, and in battle, I responded to him that it was a JG mode in stadium and I was the only one attacking, the rest were camping in the back like he was with hornet gauss. In that particular battle, nobody cares about hornet overdrive, everyone can see where the Jg is in the map.

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On 1/4/2023 at 2:28 PM, dinek789 said:

You are incorrect. I clearly stated what kind of data it was necessary for it to be objective and not subjective, I literally listed 6 points. All of the people who are writing against me say hammer and tesla are good and cite no objective evidence, but just subjective feeling. They think hammer and tesla are good because they see them being used in battle. They offered no objective standard, and are attacking me. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. I don't care which turret and hull are the best or the worst, I go by stats, and whichever turns out to be the best is the best. I've had 20 responses to me and non of them have debunked my claims, and they just cry for some objective standrad, when I literally wrote what the six components I use.

Where's your evidence then? Or do you even know what it means? Saying how you got your evidence isn't the same thing as showing proof of it.