update Patch Update #721 - Released 14th April 2023

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 4/15/2023 at 11:19 AM, Assasin-TO said:

This sure had an undeniable and visible impact but when it comes to the increase of 1/4 second of hammer triplet alt, i don't think that it will be significant.

The very first thing I said was that it was not a considerable nerf. I then said who this nerf will primarily be benefitting, which are those who have high % Hammer modules and time their repair kits well against them in a 1 v 1.

AM having 10 pellets per shot is an indirect damage nerf on each shot. Critical damage would allow one of your shots to disregard that and deal similar damage in critical damage which bypassed Hammer's module. Reducing the critical chance will allow Hammer modules to soak up more damage before a critical hit comes, which again, can add a few seconds onto your lifespan against it. If you do not have Hammer protection, then not much is changed. You'll still be dying uncomfortably faster than a Stock Hammer. 

 

On 4/15/2023 at 11:19 AM, Assasin-TO said:

Its splash damage still  gives an increase of either 230% or 250% as compared to the standard thunder

No, it gives that increase to whatever base damage Vacuum has. It used to have the same normal damage as Stock, but now it has a -20% normal damage penalty. That is what the current 250% is going off of, and that is a part of its recent nerf. 

 

On 4/15/2023 at 11:19 AM, Assasin-TO said:

Idk for you, but i never used vacuum for direct hits. I always aimed precisely near tanks on the ground or on walls so as to hit them with the splash damage and succeeded and still succeed in getting 60+ kills with it in MM. 

What I'm trying to say is its power has been slowly reduced over time. The initial version of Vacuum Shell was Stock Thunder with high splash damage and a 1% critical chance.

The next version had the average splash damage reduced from 250% to 220% and the penalty to critical chance was removed. That change was both a nerf and a buff depending on how you used it. If you always used it like a Stock Thunder, it was a buff. If you had always used it the way you did by intentionally firing near obstacles to deal splash damage, then it was a nerf.

The next version had Vacuum receive a -20% normal damage penalty and the average splash damage % increased from 220% to 250%. This was a nerf. 

 

The end result is you now cannot be as efficient as you were with the initial version of Vacuum Shell. The highest splash damage you could do was decreased and would allow many players to survive one more shot against you, which is the difference between having a chance against Vacuum and none at all. The augment is still strong, but it is not as efficient as it was on launch. 

 

Scorpion went through the same thing. Despite the cries of everyone saying it was overpowered, they took their merry time to nerf its efficiency. Firstly its firing rate was reduced on both modes but the high damage they dealt was still there. The OP ML Swarm was nerfed and put in line with the others. The reload is nerfed further and the arcade damage is lowered once. Then a mega nerf hit that reduced both its normal, critical and salvo damage by a lot and now you have some players calling it weak. As you can see, it took a long time for Scorpion to get there. It appears that Assault Magazine is going through this same process of slowly eroding it's maximum efficiency, just as Helios, Scorpion and Vacuum Shell were put through. 

[rapon 89]

As a "f2p" (I only bought once in 3 years of play the daily tankoins offer), thanks to the drone compensation I maxxed out everything except Striker, Vulcan, Paladin, Crusader and Ares.

 

I also have Crisis and Trickster maxxed and for protections I only got 4, twins rico shaft and gauss

Edited April 16, 2023 by rapon

[TargetXAcquired 277]

On 4/13/2023 at 2:24 PM, Marcus said:

To access them, you need to click on the special widget in the Lobby

 

Some players are already asking why the challenge cannot be accessed.

Why not say "click on the actual challenge on your main screen once you have logged in, this will take you straight to the challenge to see your progress".

Players will immediately know what to do. 

Why should players have to be on social media, why can't you explain what these missions are in regular patch notes within the game itself.

On 4/13/2023 at 2:24 PM, Marcus said:

For every battery, you get 1 unit of each of the following supplies

Wrong and totally in keeping with your usual tactic of giving players as little as possible in compensation. Clearly in the case of supplies batteries were the hardest to get and were also x3 more expensive, x2 for repairs. This should be amended asap to give at the very least x2 of each supply taking into account the repairs. This would be partially acceptable as it should really be x3 across the board. In order to compensate properly give each player a one off "SUPER DEAL" in the shop of at least 10,000 oes for the price of 10 cry.

This would be a meaningful gesture of good will as a lot of players (most players) have been dealt a raw deal with the battery/supply conversion.

On 4/13/2023 at 2:24 PM, Marcus said:

The 100% discount on the next modification of equipment if the previous modification is fully upgraded, has been removed.

So does this mean as I think it does that you have to buy MK7 then proceed to upgrade.  It seems to me you are giving with one hand and promptly taking away with the other.

This upgrade change does no favours to those players who have maxed out every module and their fav turret/hull combos ready for marshal/Legend/MK7 plus battles.

The "FREE" speed up's mean nothing and in no way help these players out. Within the confines of the game you have signed their death warrant in bold red ink. 18 protection modules (including the massively priced armadillo) all told now have to be bought for a insurmountable amount of cry and then upgraded, not including the turrets/hulls. Care to explain how this player gets out of this impossible scenario were his entire garage is not rendered useless/null and void because this player does not have millions of available cry.

On 4/13/2023 at 3:52 PM, Gabku said:

Wait, does this mean they simply remove speed ups, and therefore we save a HUGE amount of crystals?

In very rare cases yes, that is correct. In the vast majority of cases, not in the slightest.

The devs have screwed players over YET AGAIN.

[Tethorakismeno 56]

Unfortunately vulcan became useless after this update. It doesn't turn while firing and considering most of the battles are close range.

You finally make it. Congratulations tanki! 

[X-Hades 53]

On 4/16/2023 at 9:02 PM, Tethorakismeno said:

Unfortunately vulcan became useless after this update. It doesn't turn while firing and considering most of the battles are close range.

You finally make it. Congratulations tanki! 

Agreed - useless  turret now, many others better

 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/16/2023 at 11:02 PM, Tethorakismeno said:

Unfortunately vulcan became useless after this update. It doesn't turn while firing and considering most of the battles are close range.

You finally make it. Congratulations tanki! 

 

On 4/17/2023 at 1:04 AM, X-Hades said:

Agreed - useless  turret now, many others better

 

Oh so Vulcan is now useless huh? Tell that to Vulcan Bots (flying hull + vulcan) who somehow still manage to get 1000+ score 50kills+ with barely any deaths every battle with every augment you can think of. Burning yes. Bouncy bullets yes. Adrenaline yes. You get the point (i actually saw all these vulcan bots with these augments get the same stupid result). Oh and trust me Vulcan Bot conbo is called Vulcan Bot for a reason. You literally do nothing but drive. 

Autoaim check

Aim Assist check

Mouse Controls making it easier to play (proved by mouse players themselves in this forum) check

OP mechanics for no reason that flying hulls have CHECK

I bet theyre nerfing vulcan because of Vulcan Bot conbo instead of nerfing flying hulls or making it so you don't have autopilot if you use vulcan + flying hull.  

[Cleric 1,385]

On 4/17/2023 at 6:36 PM, Kimura said:

 

Oh so Vulcan is now useless huh? Tell that to Vulcan Bots (flying hull + vulcan) who somehow still manage to get 1000+ score 50kills+ with barely any deaths every battle with every augment you can think of. Burning yes. Bouncy bullets yes. Adrenaline yes. You get the point (i actually saw all these vulcan bots with these augments get the same stupid result). Oh and trust me Vulcan Bot conbo is called Vulcan Bot for a reason. You literally do nothing but drive. 

Autoaim check

Aim Assist check

Mouse Controls making it easier to play (proved by mouse players themselves in this forum) check

OP mechanics for no reason that flying hulls have CHECK

I bet theyre nerfing vulcan because of Vulcan Bot conbo instead of nerfing flying hulls or making it so you don't have autopilot if you use vulcan + flying hull.  

Maybe you can actually play Vulcan in its current state before making a comment. At least for me, I can't play this version of Vulcan without using RAT. Vulcan is absolute trash after the reduced turret rotation speed.

Like just play it once, and try to achieve the result you are trying to suggest, take a screenshot, then we can talk. I can get 1k score with 50+ kills with Vulcan, that's doable. But not in every game, and certainly not without RAT (after patch).

Edited April 17, 2023 by Warpriest

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/17/2023 at 2:07 PM, Warpriest said:

Maybe you can actually play Vulcan in its current state before making a comment. At least for me, I can't play this version of Vulcan without using RAT. Vulcan is absolute trash after the reduced turret rotation speed.

Like just play it once, and try to achieve the result you are trying to suggest, take a screenshot, then we can talk. I can get 1k score with 50+ kills with Vulcan, that's doable. But not in every game, and certainly not without RAT (after patch).

I never used vulcan and never will. Want to see these bots get 1k score for doing nothing? Just go into a random map and hope you'll find a vulcan bot. If that disgusting creature has a clan and a skin then you can be certain he's not new to this conbo and if you go to his profile he'll probably have like 5.00+ K/D because thats all they care about.

and 99% of their play time is Vulcan and Paladin/Ares most of the time sometimes its hopper or cruasader.

Edited April 17, 2023 by Kimura

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:15 AM, Kimura said:

I never used vulcan and never will. Want to see these bots get 1k score for doing nothing? Just go into a random map and hope you'll find a vulcan bot. If that disgusting creature has a clan and a skin then you can be certain he's not new to this conbo and if you go to his profile he'll probably have like 5.00+ K/D because thats all they care about.

and 99% of their play time is Vulcan and Paladin/Ares most of the time sometimes its hopper or cruasader.

Are you certain you were seeing these "Vulcan bots" after Friday or are you still speaking in the past?

[Cleric 1,385]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:15 PM, Kimura said:

I never used vulcan and never will.

That alone makes your comment on Vulcan's current state automatically worthless. You can't comment on something that you don't know about.

What you said about some of the Vulcan players might be true, especially to mobile players, but is that mean what you have experienced applies to all Vulcan players? Certainly not.

 

I would imagine you would try to prove your point by having a screenshot like this. But don't forget that

1. That's a one-sided game. My team is literally spawn-killing.
2. I'm not the only one with a high score and K/D. In fact, there is one with 7.67 K/D
3. If I have been playing one single turret for hundreds of hours and still don't good with it. Man I must be really suck at video games.

 

I challenge you, from today onwards until the next patch drops, to go and find one single Vulcan player who is not using RAT. I'm not even considering the player's performance here. I would assume you will be struggling to do that, good luck.

Edited April 17, 2023 by Warpriest

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/17/2023 at 2:26 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Are you certain you were seeing these "Vulcan bots" after Friday or are you still speaking in the past?

I tried to do Trophy mission for Dictator and i went to siege. each game had 0-2 of these creatures. I remember one game. Siege not a squash match.

2 Vulcans 

Burn with Ares

Bouncy bullets with Ares.

One got around 1100 another around a 1000 score. One was ~9000GS another 9999GS.

April 15-16th.

On 4/17/2023 at 2:32 PM, Warpriest said:

I challenge you, from today onwards until the next patch drops, to go and find one single Vulcan player who is not using RAT. I'm not even considering the player's performance here. I would assume you will be struggling to do that, good luck.

Whopping 2 battles in. 

Spoiler

1 Vulcan with adrenaline and Paladin left from my team before i could even take the screenshot. Screenie was taken like 10 seconds into the match.

In my first match i found adrenaline vulcan but he was 7k GS so i didn't screenshot him because you would cry about him being too poor or something.

 

Off Topic: @rommeltanki I got banned for saying "3." in General chat. Really? Do you think a bunch of people complaining about chat bans for no reason are tripping or something? It's like your chat system is completely broken. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 4/17/2023 at 8:40 AM, Kimura said:

 and i went to siege. 

That is why. The change does not do a whole lot if many of the enemies are standing in one general position, along with their ODs (Ares) inflating their score. 

 

Play it or go in other game modes where movement across the map is encouraged (i.e not Siege or Assault). The change is felt there. 

[Cleric 1,385]

On 4/17/2023 at 8:40 PM, Kimura said:

I tried to do Trophy mission for Dictator and i went to siege. each game had 0-2 of these creatures. I remember one game. Siege not a squash match.

2 Vulcans 

Burn with Ares

Bouncy bullets with Ares.

One got around 1100 another around a 1000 score. One was ~9000GS another 9999GS.

April 15-16th.

Whopping 2 battles in. 

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1 Vulcan with adrenaline and Paladin left from my team before i could even take the screenshot. Screenie was taken like 10 seconds into the match.

In my first match i found adrenaline vulcan but he was 7k GS so i didn't screenshot him because you would cry about him being too poor or something.

 

Off Topic: @rommeltanki I got banned for saying "3." in General chat. Really? Do you think a bunch of people complaining about chat bans for no reason are tripping or something? It's like your chat system is completely broken. 

If you are getting 2 people having > 1k score on the opposing team, then the only thing I can think of is it is a one-sided battle like a 0 - 7 or something.

As for your screenshot, how does the Vulcan guy perform at the end? The augment choice looks not optimal to me

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/17/2023 at 4:48 PM, Warpriest said:

If you are getting 2 people having > 1k score on the opposing team, then the only thing I can think of is it is a one-sided battle like a 0 - 7 or something.

Or you're just having OP conbo that is OP for no reason whatsoever.

On 4/17/2023 at 4:48 PM, Warpriest said:

As for your screenshot, how does the Vulcan guy perform at the end? The augment choice looks not optimal to me

 

On 4/17/2023 at 2:32 PM, Warpriest said:

go and find one single Vulcan player who is not using RAT. I'm not even considering the player's performance here.

I was done with dailies and had no reason to play more. So I didn't know. Considering he had fire resistance and not immunity he probably got TOP 5. And considering he did basically nothing i say TOP 5 is amazing result. As for another guy, he used a tracked hull. Sadly tracked hulls don't have OP gimmicks for no reason so he's probably in the "Mid-Card". 

 

On 4/17/2023 at 3:58 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

That is why. The change does not do a whole lot if many of the enemies are standing in one general position, along with their ODs (Ares) inflating their score. 

 

Play it or go in other game modes where movement across the map is encouraged (i.e not Siege or Assault). The change is felt there. 

I Don't remember how many non-siege vulcan noobs i saw but i know that all the bots i met were in TOP 3. I got 222k XP this week and like 80k was from Siege. So the chances are high i found vulcan bots in non SGE or ASL battles. Not really turret's fault. Just OP gimmicks of flying trashcans. I mean have you tried to hit a hopper from a distance with a slower than light projectile? 

[Cleric 1,385]

On 4/17/2023 at 10:02 PM, Kimura said:

Or you're just having OP conbo that is OP for no reason whatsoever.

What do you suggest I do instead? Spend a few thousand on OP augments? Or deliberately choosing a bad combo?

Vulcan + Heat Immunity is quite frankly the last thing you should worry about with all those OP augments in the game. To be fair, the healing emitter you are using is in the legendary category which by the game design, is more valuable than a regular Vulcan combo combined. Plus, you do earn a decent amount of points from healing.

 

On 4/17/2023 at 10:02 PM, Kimura said:

I was done with dailies and had no reason to play more. So I didn't know. Considering he had fire resistance and not immunity he probably got TOP 5. And considering he did basically nothing i say TOP 5 is amazing result. As for another guy, he used a tracked hull. Sadly tracked hulls don't have OP gimmicks for no reason so he's probably in the "Mid-Card". 

I was just asking. Not meant to argue with what I said. And good job for actually finding one. 

Also, what you said doesn't make sense. If you "had no reason to play more" and "didn't know". You won't know that "he did basically nothing". Also, the guy in the screenshot is using Adrenaline + Stun Immunity, not Heat Resistance. A combo that has zero synergies. I would assume you were thinking about another guy, maybe the 1k score guy that you mentioned. And BTW, he is using a Titan. Have you forgotten how valuable its dome is in Siege?

 

At the end of the day, you just hate Vulcan, period. Properly because of its high DPS and ease to use. But just because you hate a turret doesn't automatically make every buff to it nonsense and every nerf to it makes sense. Judging from what you have posted, I feel that you are so angry that you are no longer reading properly and processing logically.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:22 AM, Warpriest said:

At the end of the day, you just hate Vulcan, period. Properly because of its high DPS and ease to use. But just because you hate a turret doesn't automatically make every buff to it nonsense and every nerf to it makes sense. Judging from what you have posted, I feel that you are so angry that you are no longer reading properly and processing logically.

I think the reason he hates Vulcan so much is because he probably sits in one spot for a long period of time judging by his most used turrets. Basically making him an easy target for vulcans.

[DefkwargX 152]

On 4/16/2023 at 12:50 AM, TheCongoSpider said:

The very first thing I said was that it was not a considerable nerf. I then said who this nerf will primarily be benefitting, which are those who have high % Hammer modules and time their repair kits well against them in a 1 v 1.

I acknowledged the first part of this paragraph. However, I maxed out the hammer module AND I time well my repair kits but i still die pretty much at the same rate. (I don't have arma).

 

On 4/16/2023 at 12:50 AM, TheCongoSpider said:

No, it gives that increase to whatever base damage Vacuum has. It used to have the same normal damage as Stock, but now it has a -20% normal damage penalty. That is what the current 250% is going off of, and that is a part of its recent nerf.

Yea mybad, i forgot that this alt had -20% reduction of its base damage, so much I'm playing well with it. It's still giving us a +200% increase in spash damage as compared to standard thunder though.

 

On 4/16/2023 at 12:50 AM, TheCongoSpider said:

What I'm trying to say is its power has been slowly reduced over time. The initial version of Vacuum Shell was Stock Thunder with high splash damage and a 1% critical chance.

I think that you still don't get me. When each time i complain about the nerfs not being considerable, I'm actually wondering why they don't nerf an augment as they should straight away. I think that it's obvious that tankers in general are familiar with the gradual nerfs of augments but the devs have the test server and the ability to use not yet released augments in the usual servers themselves. Why do they have to take so much time with it? Or they are letting buyers enjoying what they bought?

Edited April 18, 2023 by Assasin-TO

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/17/2023 at 5:22 PM, Warpriest said:

What do you suggest I do instead? Spend a few thousand on OP augments? Or deliberately choosing a bad combo?

Vulcan bot conbo (Vulcan + FLYING HULL) is not just OP it's flat out broken. I don't hate vulcan you can use it 24/7 i couldn't care less. It's the flying monkeys that ruin everything. Yes i hate when a person that literally does nothing but drive around with autoaim and aimbot gets 1k+ score and 1st place instead of a person who actually has functioning brain or spent some money on the game aka being the reason you can play this game in the first place.

On 4/17/2023 at 5:02 PM, Kimura said:

Not really turret's fault. Just OP gimmicks of flying trashcans.

On 4/17/2023 at 5:22 PM, Warpriest said:

Have you forgotten how valuable its dome is in Siege?

It was CTF.

On 4/17/2023 at 5:56 PM, PirateSpider said:

I think the reason he hates Vulcan so much is because he probably sits in one spot for a long period of time judging by his most used turrets. Basically making him an easy target for vulcans.

Play at least one battle with me. The only time when i "sit in one spot for a long period of time" is when i use magnum AFTER AP NERF. Just because my most used turrets are "long range" it doesn't mean that i just sit in one place and die from boredom before the match ends. My most used drone is literally Defender. Have you seen a person camp with that? Also don't you think 1.87 K/D a little low for a person who does nothing but sit in the corner at Legend 100+?

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 4/17/2023 at 8:37 AM, Kimura said:

Play at least one battle with me. The only time when i "sit in one spot for a long period of time" is when i use magnum AFTER AP NERF. Just because my most used turrets are "long range" it doesn't mean that i just sit in one place and die from boredom before the match ends. My most used drone is literally Defender. Have you seen a person camp with that? Also don't you think 1.87 K/D a little low for a person who does nothing but sit in the corner at Legend 100+?

So I was wrong. Ok. 

On 4/17/2023 at 8:37 AM, Kimura said:

Vulcan bot conbo (Vulcan + FLYING HULL) is not just OP it's flat out broken. I don't hate vulcan you can use it 24/7 i couldn't care less. It's the flying monkeys that ruin everything. Yes i hate when a person that literally does nothing but drive around with autoaim and aimbot gets 1k+ score and 1st place instead of a person who actually has functioning brain or spent some money on the game aka being the reason you can play this game in the first place.

Then why not just call them aimbot users? When people see you call Vulcan users "bots" with a hint of disdain, they'll think you have a grudge against people who use Vulcan.

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/17/2023 at 5:57 PM, PirateSpider said:

So I was wrong. Ok. 

Then why not just call them aimbot users? When people see you call Vulcan users "bots" with a hint of disdain, they'll think you have a grudge against people who use Vulcan.

I am making sure to make it obvious that Vulcan bots are Vulcan + Flying hull. There were people asking me about it and the first thing i would say its FLYING HULL that makes it just flat out broken not even OP. 

Mouse users don't have aimbot but from what im seeing from my experience and from MOUSE USERS THEMSELVES on discord or even this forum they say that ITS WAY EASIER to play with mouse. And i saw it on discord. A guy went from MAX 300 score with mouse to  constant 1k in just a couple of hours. Im sure you'll not achieve that if roles were reversed. That guy literally said that it was so easy to play etc. I don't have access to that channel since that clan... let's say they had some interesting people.

And PC vulcan bot works in the same way as mobile except aimbot.

 

(never judge players from their profile without seeing them in battle. The only way to tell if theyre campers through profile is to see how many hours/exp they have with saboteur.) 

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 4/17/2023 at 9:18 AM, Kimura said:

(never judge players from their profile without seeing them in battle. The only way to tell if theyre campers through profile is to see how many hours/exp they have with saboteur.) 

Yeah, sorry about that. I shouldn't have went there in the first place.

On 4/17/2023 at 9:18 AM, Kimura said:

am making sure to make it obvious that Vulcan bots are Vulcan + Flying hull. There were people asking me about it and the first thing i would say its FLYING HULL that makes it just flat out broken not even OP. 

Still sounds like a hell of a hassle just to call out a specific type of user. You do you though.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 4/17/2023 at 8:15 PM, Kimura said:

Now these Vulcan Bot """"""Pros""""""" all they do is at most drive around in random places with their finger on their mouse button. They have no idea how to play this game since theyre using well... literally auto-pilot. And people not knowing how game breaking it is think that these users are actual pros. And these Vulcan Bots do nothing and get first place. They do nothing and out perform biggest buyers and actual pros. Thats the problem. Auto-pilot combo should not even be close to outperforming actual skilled people or those who spend money to gain advantage.

Are they perhaps using incendiary band augment with paladin and defender drone?

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

On 4/18/2023 at 3:15 AM, PirateSpider said:

Are they perhaps using incendiary band augment with paladin and defender drone?

Most common is Bouncy + Paladin + Hyperion + Prot from you if you kill them more than once.

[lukadup 0]

I know that it doesn't fit the topic, but can't you go to the German Wiki?
I always get 403 Forbidden.

[AncientFire 1,894]

On 4/18/2023 at 4:29 PM, lukadup said:

I know that it doesn't fit the topic, but can't you go to the German Wiki?
I always get 403 Forbidden.

Try with a VPN or proxy site

Or use a different browser