Did they secretly nerf containers?

[Macabre 207]

I can't help but notice my rewards from containers have been getting worse and worse over time. The last 3 ultra weekends gave us about 100 ultra containers and I haven't gotten a single legendary (gold) drop from them. The same goes for daily containers, right now all I keep getting are white and green rewards. I don't think I have seen a purple drop from dailies in over a month!

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 9/7/2023 at 8:34 AM, HEIDEGGER said:

Hey @TheCongoSpider, I've seen that you've kept track of your container openings for some time. Did you also keep track of your boosted armor/ boosted damage received? 

For a short time, yes, in both normal and ultra containers. From what I saw, everything in uncommon had basically the same drop rate. But this was from months ago. People seemed to be having some issue with them recently?

 

From opening 1,980 normal containers around February, 506 being uncommons:

 

3k: 103

DA: 104

DD: 100

SB: 96

MN: 103 

 

From opening 1,255 normal containers around April, 315 being uncommons: 

 

3k: 80

BA: 60

BD: 62

SB: 62

MN: 51

 

From opening 600 Ultra Containers around June, 413 being uncommons:

 

3k - 71

BA - 92

BD - 74

SB - 94

MN - 82

Some things to note this one, Mines were leading the pack at the start but started faltering to the others later on. 3k and BD were consistently the two lowest with the 3k count picking up pace at the end. 

 

On 9/7/2023 at 8:34 AM, HEIDEGGER said:

I'm now moving into other drones than Brutus, and man do they burn supplies. It would be interesting to know for example how much armor one can expect from the three boxes from the basic daily missions on average. (I'm convinced it is negative EV to do these missions with Defender drone, if I'm not also working towards some other mission like weekly, challenge etc. I'm not even sure it's a net positive to do these with Brutus.) 

Individually, the normal containers aren't good. You'll feel better opening larger amounts at a time as they were intended (worse rewards but you get more containers than before). Due to a quirk with normal containers, your overall uncommon drop rate used to be around 34% but now it's around 25%, so I guess you should expect around 5% of your normal container rewards to be Boosted Armour specifically. 

 

The other thing is Ultra Containers. They are the ones that "replenish" your supply count the best besides weekly containers because 2/3s of the UCs you open are uncommons. Sometimes you'll get multiple of a specific supply or a steady flow of all of them, depending on how few you open. 

 

Brutus should be a net positive over time. You don't gain a massive amount of supplies in this game instantly without spending a lot on Ultra Containers. You gain them over a lengthy period of time. 

[Hypersomnia 1,695]

You can't nerf something that is at it's worst stage already.

 

now if we get serious then the more yellow/purples you get the less you have in your drop pool which actually DECREASES your chance of getting a purple or yellow drop. I have all purple drops and all but 20 yellow drops left and i get purple drop from dailies once a blue moon. I actually got more red and yellow drops than purple in the last 5 ish months.

[Helios 725]

On 8/30/2023 at 10:12 AM, omarhero1 said:

I can't help but notice my rewards from containers have been getting worse and worse over time. The last 3 ultra weekends gave us about 100 ultra containers and I haven't gotten a single legendary (gold) drop from them. The same goes for daily containers, right now all I keep getting are white and green rewards. I don't think I have seen a purple drop from dailies in over a month!

Developers do not buff/ nerf containers. Each item has a specific pull rate.

In Ultra containers opening 15 gives you a minimum guaranteed epic. But normal containers do not follow this, sometimes u get legendary augment from 1 sometimes you do not get it even after 100+ openings.

If you open 100 or more and did not get legendary equipment, consider that its just your bad time/ being unlucky. 

 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

On 8/30/2023 at 5:12 AM, omarhero1 said:

Did they secretly nerf containers? 

The short answer is yes. As to exactly what changes were made to them, read this thread. Kimura mentioned one of the changes.

https://en.tankiforum.com/topic/396490-containers-are-bad/

 

On 8/30/2023 at 5:12 AM, omarhero1 said:

The last 3 ultra weekends gave us about 100 ultra containers and I haven't gotten a single legendary (gold) drop from them. 

With a small number of Ultra Containers as 100, you simply got unlucky with your Legendaries. You should expect around 2 Legendaries per 100 UCs you open. 

Edited August 30, 2023 by TheCongoSpider

[CaffeineCaffeine 7]

Idk man. I've been getting epic augments and stuff from regular containers lately. I used to only get cheap paints and 1-10k crystals. Ultra containers pretty much gave me the same. I feel like they were buffed.

[HEIDEGGER 36]

I also felt like this , having a terrible streak. Then I got 1milly AND vacuum core augment from a single 15 container string on my other acc. My total UC count was 32.
 

Edited September 5, 2023 by HEIDEGGER
learned to post images

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

If it favours the players in any way, even slightly then the devs have a "ULTRA QUICK" re-think and make sure that particular silly mistake is never made again.

Just look at these missions. 

Lag increases.

Low rank players rank mega fast and become obsolete.

Rewards are nowhere near worth it.

Zillions of supplies used and for what, useless "NERFED" containers that still give you pathetic MK1 gear.

And as for this assemble the tank  give me a break, just another way to scam you.

A fool and his cash are soon parted.

This last statement applies to so many players, so sad they are brain washed by the devs.

This is tanki-welcome to scam world. 

A last thought. Over the years how many times has the game become increasingly worse compared to any real significant gain the players might have had. I bet you the odds are at least 10-1 against the players. 10-1 is a conservative estimate at best.

Edited September 2, 2023 by MEXICAN-SKY

[HEIDEGGER 36]

Hey @TheCongoSpider, I've seen that you've kept track of your container openings for some time. Did you also keep track of your boosted armor/ boosted damage received? 

I'm now moving into other drones than Brutus, and man do they burn supplies. It would be interesting to know for example how much armor one can expect from the three boxes from the basic daily missions on average. (I'm convinced it is negative EV to do these missions with Defender drone, if I'm not also working towards some other mission like weekly, challenge etc. I'm not even sure it's a net positive to do these with Brutus.) 

An interesting number would also be 'average regular container value', counting supplies at shop cost. 

[AntiStatic 21]

They have always done and they will keep doing that.. 

105 regular containers opened and nothing but junk..

https://imgur.com/a/JUr9YIV

 

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by AntiStatic

[AntiStatic 21]

here is another 15 regular containers that i just opened.. its absurd how bad drop rates are.. 

https://imgur.com/3kL4S9e

[DMR 676]

I will be 100% honest with you all, I get way more lucky when opening in mobile version, especially opening 5 by 5

[HEIDEGGER 36]

@TheCongoSpider 

Thanks, these are the numbers I was looking for.
 

On 9/8/2023 at 2:20 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

Individually, the normal containers aren't good.

Sure, and I do open them in bunches. My question arose rather from the feeling that there was very little incentive to play as I had finished tanker’s day event, weekly and challenge during the weekend. For the coming 5 days it was then mainly just the 3 daily containers to play for. And I wondered how profitable/ costly it really was to play only for this. (I’m not going for top 100/300 in challenge again, too exhausting)

Well your numbers suggest that one daily container will yield on average 5 each of BD and BA, disregarding mines, speeds and repairs. If you can do daily challenges in three games, which is mostly the case, this is what you can spend per game before tapping into savings (disregarding crystals earned). I mostly permaspam all supplies, at least with Brutus, so this profit line will obviously be overshot. But then there should always be a decent surplus of supplies from the other stuff. Long grinds outside of all missions and events, however, is not desirable as f2p user. 

Edited September 8, 2023 by HEIDEGGER
maths is hard

[NikmanGT 4,362]

Answered, closed.