declined Nerfing mouse control

[DMR 677]

Hello,

Since mouse control might be much more effective than playing keyboard only,

I suggest :

1) Decrease the rotation of the turret when using the mouse control, it shouldn't be as fast as crisis 

2) Camera shouldn't make you able to see players even if your turret is facing in the opposite way of the enemy

In conclusion, mouse control should be nerfed to the ground to make it work the same way as the keyboard control, people now abuses mouse control in XP/BP map and even in Juggernaut mode as the Juggernaut.

Thoughts?

[NikmanGT 4,362]

Declined

This is actually the benefits of using the mouse controls, all the listed abilities make the mouse control now superior over players using the keyboard.

Devs introduced mouse controls with all these features to provide players with some special playing mechanisms and even boost their gameplay.

Nerfing these would rather undermine the current control system, as a player can switch both to keyboard and mouse and have fun with different playing styles.

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/3/2023 at 5:27 PM, NikmanGT said:

Declined

This is actually the pros of using the mouse controls, all the listed abilities make the mouse control now superior over players using the keyboard.

Devs introduced mouse controls with all these features to provide players with some special playing mechanisms and even boost their gameplay.

Nerfing these would rather undermine the current control system, as a player can switch both to keyboard and mouse and have fun with different playing styles.

or it can be nerfed to the point where it's equal to keyboard controls. 

While we're at it maybe ban every flying hull user cuz at this point literally everyone of those creatures are with aim-bot or another nonsense. You see a magnum looking 180 degrees from me then randomly spinning to my side and missing 5 km but it still takes off 90% of my HP or a shaft in sniping mode "randomly" deciding that he'll now look at an empty corner in a map with 2 tanks and killing me. Or is it just mouse controls being mouse controls?

this game is a joke lmao the more you think about it the worse it gets

[DMR 677]

On 9/3/2023 at 10:27 AM, NikmanGT said:

Declined

This is actually the pros of using the mouse controls, all the listed abilities make the mouse control now superior over players using the keyboard.

Devs introduced mouse controls with all these features to provide players with some special playing mechanisms and even boost their gameplay.

Nerfing these would rather undermine the current control system, as a player can switch both to keyboard and mouse and have fun with different playing styles.

Honestly, it's just unfair that mouse control has more advantage than keyboard, it should work the same way...

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 9/3/2023 at 4:06 PM, Kimura said:

this game is a joke lmao the more you think about it the worse it gets

tanki has never been that good.

 

On 9/4/2023 at 12:05 AM, Soothing said:

it's just unfair

The devs do not recognise fair play or balance, neither do they have any scruples and they will continue to do what they do best, scamming players out of everything they can.

[DMR 677]

@Opex-RahMouse control is unbalanced compared to keyboard. Instead of remastering bridges, ramps, etc, focus on balancing stuff like the mouse control being way too op compared to keyboard (pls)

[Son_Goku 514]

Locking the camera when using mouse controls to the turret, like keyboard does, would make mouse unuseable and you could basically remove it from the game then, as it would make it pointless to use mouse. The way mouse lets you aim is just a way more natural way of aiming, which is by the way used in almost every game, so nerfing them leads us nowhere.

Keyboard controls feel like technology from the stone age to me, I don't know why you would still use keys to aim. Whenever I use keyboard to aim, out of fun, I just feel insanely restricted and I get dizzy, so I personally wouldn't like to be forced to use a locked camera again.

Back then I also used to be a keyboard player, but when they eventually released mouse I tried to adapt as soon as possible, and that made the game just... better. I don't see the point in focusing on keyboard controls by nerfing mouse, since mouse is simply better in every aspect, not just gameplay. Should rather get rid of keyboard controls, honestly.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/3/2023 at 5:37 PM, Son_Goku said:

Locking the camera when using mouse controls to the turret, like keyboard does, would make mouse unuseable and you could basically remove it from the game then, as it would make it pointless to use mouse. The way mouse lets you aim is just a way more natural way of aiming, which is by the way used in almost every game, so nerfing them leads us nowhere.

Keyboard controls feel like technology from the stone age to me, I don't know why you would still use keys to aim. Whenever I use keyboard to aim, out of fun, I just feel insanely restricted and I get dizzy, so I personally wouldn't like to be forced to use a locked camera again.

Back then I also used to be a keyboard player, but when they eventually released mouse I tried to adapt as soon as possible, and that made the game just... better. I don't see the point in focusing on keyboard controls by nerfing mouse, since mouse is simply better in every aspect, not just gameplay. Should rather get rid of keyboard controls, honestly.

I honestly don't like how mouse feels on a track hull. Its too unnatural for me. So for the track hulls I use keyboard controls.

I will however use mouse for hovering hulls since it feels like alot of FPS games.

 

I don't think a change is needed here.

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 9/4/2023 at 1:37 AM, Son_Goku said:

Should rather get rid of keyboard controls, honestly.

Will never happen. They would lose at least 50% of players overnight and that's taken into account those willing to try. It's also taken into account that 50% of the player base as I text are mouse players.

 

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/4/2023 at 3:37 AM, Son_Goku said:

Locking the camera when using mouse controls to the turret, like keyboard does, would make mouse unuseable and you could basically remove it from the game then, as it would make it pointless to use mouse. The way mouse lets you aim is just a way more natural way of aiming, which is by the way used in almost every game, so nerfing them leads us nowhere.

Keyboard controls feel like technology from the stone age to me, I don't know why you would still use keys to aim. Whenever I use keyboard to aim, out of fun, I just feel insanely restricted and I get dizzy, so I personally wouldn't like to be forced to use a locked camera again.

Back then I also used to be a keyboard player, but when they eventually released mouse I tried to adapt as soon as possible, and that made the game just... better. I don't see the point in focusing on keyboard controls by nerfing mouse, since mouse is simply better in every aspect, not just gameplay. Should rather get rid of keyboard controls, honestly.

that's just funny to read. little timmy searching for excuses for mouse controls to not be nerfed. Ofc it gets you dizzy because your brain probably can't handle something so complicated as pressing a couple buttons on a certain time and not just basically use aim-bot. I wonder what happens when you drive a manual if youre old enough or even automatic is too complicated for you since it's like playing a game but in real life.
 

On 9/4/2023 at 2:18 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

tanki has never been that good.

yep take off the pink nostalgia glasses and it's true. At this point the only reason im playing this game is to point and laugh and ppl who rage and still play after hazel somehow smashes another "worst update in history" record.

 

On 9/4/2023 at 1:28 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Will never happen. They would lose at least 50% of players overnight and that's taken into account those willing to try. It's also taken into account that 50% of the player base as I text are mouse players.

 

I mean they already did an update (can't remember what was it) that ACTUALLY made them lose more than 50% of players so another funny update like that is not out of the question 

[Son_Goku 514]

On 9/4/2023 at 1:32 PM, Kimura said:

that's just funny to read. little timmy searching for excuses for mouse controls to not be nerfed. Ofc it gets you dizzy because your brain probably can't handle something so complicated as pressing a couple buttons on a certain time and not just basically use aim-bot. I wonder what happens when you drive a manual if youre old enough or even automatic is too complicated for you since it's like playing a game but in real life.

What should I say? What you wrote is also funny to read. You seem like little timmy as well, trying to look for excuses to nerf mouse controls, because your brain can't handle learning them I don't really get your point. Great way of taking part in a discussion by the way, providing zero arguments and calling me stupid.

As I said, I used to play with keyboard controls as well, for years before mouse was released, and by pressing just these couple buttons I was hitting at least as much as I am with mouse controls right now. Go and play XP/BP with mouse against decent players and tell me if you hit every shot, easily like you would be an aim bot; I guarantee you, you will not.

It doesn't actually get me dizzy. I'm not used to the camera movement of keyboard controls anymore, it's just uncomfortable to look at for me.

[HEIDEGGER 36]

@Kimura This is a ridiculous level of discourse. Mousenerfing is also a ridiculous idea, as is apparent to anyone but three oldboys who are bitterly barking in general directions like rabid dogs. Just close the topic already.

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/4/2023 at 5:59 PM, Son_Goku said:

What should I say? What you wrote is also funny to read. You seem like little timmy as well, trying to look for excuses to nerf mouse controls, because your brain can't handle learning them I don't really get your point. Great way of taking part in a discussion by the way, providing zero arguments and calling me stupid.

As I said, I used to play with keyboard controls as well, for years before mouse was released, and by pressing just these couple buttons I was hitting at least as much as I am with mouse controls right now. Go and play XP/BP with mouse against decent players and tell me if you hit every shot, easily like you would be an aim bot; I guarantee you, you will not.

It doesn't actually get me dizzy. I'm not used to the camera movement of keyboard controls anymore, it's just uncomfortable to look at for me.

the amount of ppl i know who decided to learn the crazy super hard to learn mouse controls and learned them in like 2 matches and all of a sudden went from middle of the leaderboard to constant 1st place is more than enough to prove it's obviously unbalanced. Im pretty sure I played XP/BP before you were even a thing in this game and unlike you i keep destroying mouse users with my keyboard all day every day. the only thing about them i dont like is that it's too braindead. just buy a better keyboard we know you're probably playing on 2010 PC so maybe it's too much to ask  

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oh right DB fanboy that's more than enough. arguing with those is more pointless than arguing with OP riders.

 

On 9/4/2023 at 6:45 PM, HEIDEGGER said:

@Kimura This is a ridiculous level of discourse. Mousenerfing is also a ridiculous idea, as is apparent to anyone but three oldboys who are bitterly barking in general directions like rabid dogs. Just close the topic already.

The only one barking is you i guess. I play this game whenever i want. I come destroy everyone and leave until i decide it's time to destroy some tanki addicted noobs again. Mouse controls can be as x10 more braindead and i would still destroy them... and unlike you ppl actually knew that i was a nightmare without the most braindead augments and controls lol. You're literally being a reason why i'm still in this game. FREE ENTERTAINMENT  me and my gf actually have like a 1000 screenshots that we laugh at from tanki.

 

[PirateSpider 1,489]

Imagine throwing provocations and assumptions at people over something so petty.

[Akame 4,578]

I see no mention of strafing. Lol

Imo, the one adjustment that could be made, is to remove the ability to use 'right click' to lock a turret. However, this is a nice feature to do fake selfies.

As a player who uses KBM on every possible game you can do so on. I would never willingly want to go back KB.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/4/2023 at 12:28 PM, Akame said:

Imo, the one adjustment that could be made, is to remove the ability to use 'right click' to lock a turret. However, this is a nice feature to do fake selfies.

What do you mean by "locking a turret"?

[Son_Goku 514]

On 9/5/2023 at 1:59 AM, PirateSpider said:

What do you mean by "locking a turret"?

If you press and hold right click while using mouse controls, you prevent your turret from rotating, even if you move the camera around, essentially locking it in place. It's pretty nice in making people think you don't know they're where they are

[Maf 32,300]

On 9/3/2023 at 7:06 PM, Kimura said:

or it can be nerfed to the point where it's equal to keyboard controls. 

Keyboard controls are outdated, and the vast majority of driving/shooting games use either a controller or keyboard and mouse. If you still choose to play with keyboard, it's probably because you find it more comfortable than mouse. And that's okay, but you shouldn't then demand that mouse controls be nerfed because the method you're used to is inferior.

It's like in 1900 asking the government to limit the power of cars because you're used to riding your horse and you don't want to learn to use this new "car" thing, but you also don't want car owners to have an advantage over your horse.

I'm saying this having played this game since 2011, and using only keyboard until 2020. I started using mouse with hover hulls, and eventually switched to mouse with tracked hulls as well. It wasn't that hard to get used to it. The only thing that annoys me is the wobbly turret effect when you turn your turret with mouse controls.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/4/2023 at 10:44 PM, Son_Goku said:

If you press and hold right click while using mouse controls, you prevent your turret from rotating, even if you move the camera around, essentially locking it in place. It's pretty nice in making people think you don't know they're where they are

Hmm. Interesting. It'd be nice that in exchange for locking the turret, it'll instead rotate the hull.

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/5/2023 at 9:29 AM, Maf said:

Keyboard controls are outdated, and the vast majority of driving/shooting games use either a controller or keyboard and mouse. If you still choose to play with keyboard, it's probably because you find it more comfortable than mouse. And that's okay, but you shouldn't then demand that mouse controls be nerfed because the method you're used to is inferior.

It's like in 1900 asking the government to limit the power of cars because you're used to riding your horse and you don't want to learn to use this new "car" thing, but you also don't want car owners to have an advantage over your horse.

I'm saying this having played this game since 2011, and using only keyboard until 2020. I started using mouse with hover hulls, and eventually switched to mouse with tracked hulls as well. It wasn't that hard to get used to it. The only thing that annoys me is the wobbly turret effect when you turn your turret with mouse controls.

you know what's also outdated? Bingo! Tanki online. This fossil never intended to have flying monkey and another non-sense like clrearly unbalanced mouse controls and scorpion etc. the game is clearly not made for it. the shooting games you're talking about we're intended to have these controls since day 1. I'm saying that it should get nerfed in to be EQUAL to keyboard controls. I absolutely do not care if it'll be a thing because i barely play this scam of a game. Like i said it's just entertainment for me while tanki cavemen do their things.

[Tekken 374]

So because you do not wanna use keyboard + mouse everyone should suffer from this prahystroic mechanic ? Nah bro just adapt or suffer, you have the same privilege as anyone else here to use this combo but you did refuse to use that and now you are complaining and wanna everyone else to have bad game experience ? Lmao..... this is next level s....  I remember how annoying was to play with keyboard only because mouse control was so bad back then and nobody used that. I would definitely quit this game if I was forced to play like back then. 

 

Plus there is hardware issue, some keyboards do not have anti-ghosting feature so this players should suffer because you are too comfortable to switch from keyboard only to mouse+keyb.    Dude its 2023 imagine someone new will come try tanki and he finds out that he can only play keyboard When mouse control is such wonderfull improvement in tanki. 

 

I am glad they declined this gj.  

[DMR 677]

It's insane how people defends this mechanism of mouse control, despite the fact it's unabalanced compared to keyboard. You guys are the proof that you like to abuse mouse control and when we ask for a nerf, maybe a rebalance, yall find some excuses so you're going to keep abusing the freakin rotation turret (faster than crisis with speed boost) and the camera exploit. Very nice TO... Favorising an unbalanced feature, but what you're focusing is remastering ramps, billboard, etc. I can see that XP/BP is most likely impossible for keyboard users and Juggernaut being abused by mouse control too. Also why I'm not switching to mouse control? I have 10 fingers and I have no idea how to use the supplies with all my hand being taken to a respective keyboard.

[Tekken 374]

Damn, everybody can use that mouse+keyboard control, you guys pretending  its like you have to pay to unlock that option.... so because you do not wanna change to better option does not mean that everyone else should suffer because you want it worse (its like you are forcing players to play only with keyboard) I could experience old mouse+keyboard control and it was trash nobody would play with that thats why option - keyboard only survived this long. go try protanki and see how bad it actually is. I have old mechanic keyboard so either I would be in disadvantage because this keyboard does not have anti-ghosting feature or I would have to play with old trash mouse+keyboard option that nobody would use because it was bad.  Its 2023 and you are trying to exist somewhere in 2011 era... cry more or adapt... they will never change that and I glad they dont. They should implement this type of mouse control from begining of tanki era, at least they understood that its bad for game to have that weird control (when its actually shooter) and changed that.  

 

And btw are we gonna talk about unbalanced ?? Really ? This is the one of the last things when it come to balance we should change.  You can play with that option FREELY as everybody else can so either you do or dont but dont cry  then when you feel at disadvantage...  

 

I am just baffled how you wanna developers to actually downgrade control mechanic just to please keyboard users, what a joke. 

 

and btw to answer your question how to play and use supplies 

https://imgur.com/a/pLlAdoJ

In red - supplies

In yellow - goldbox (optional)

In orange - camera angles

In blue - overdrive

In green - keys to move your tank instead of arrows (or anything else you are using)  

Simple and effective. 

 

[Son_Goku 514]

On 9/5/2023 at 1:13 PM, Kimura said:

the game is clearly not made for it

How is the game not made for it if mouse controls are for a lot of people way more comfortable than keyboard controls? Games like World of Tanks and War Thunder use pretty much the same mouse controls as Tanki does since day 1, and they offer keyboard controls as well, but maybe 1% of the playerbases use them. Wonder why. So, the actual question is why Tanki didn't have mouse controls since day 1 too, instead of keyboard. Tanki also hosed some LAN tournament back then and the devs themselves mentioned that a lot of the people trying out the game during that event were trying to control their turrets with their mouse, but it wasn't a thing. So they ended up not rotating their turrets at all, and the devs started working on mouse controls.

This game is clearly made for mouse controls, as is any kind of 3D shooter game. Keyboard controls are just weird, restrictive and unnatural.

 

On 9/5/2023 at 2:20 PM, Soothing said:

keep abusing the freakin rotation turret (faster than crisis with speed boost)

I don't know what you mean, the turrets have the same rotation speed, regardless of the controls you use. Mouse just lets you look around as a bonus, not affecting the turret's rotation speed. If they were to favourise one type of controls, it would probably be mouse, yes, because you're supposed to aim a gun with a mouse in online games.

[Tekken 374]

On 9/5/2023 at 5:03 PM, Son_Goku said:

 

Exactly I just dont get it why so much hate for this good mechanic, its one of the best thing tanki actually did for game to be more enjoyable and not frustrating.