declined Nerfing mouse control

[Maf 32,300]

On 9/5/2023 at 4:20 PM, Soothing said:

You guys are the proof that you like to abuse mouse control

How is it abuse? The vast majority of players use mouse controls because it's comfortable and intuitive, not because it's "OP".

 

On 9/5/2023 at 4:20 PM, Soothing said:

keep abusing the freakin rotation turret (faster than crisis with speed boost)

Turret rotation speed is the same regardless of the type of controls used.

On 9/5/2023 at 4:20 PM, Soothing said:

Also why I'm not switching to mouse control? I have 10 fingers and I have no idea how to use the supplies with all my hand being taken to a respective keyboard.

That just sounds like a skill issue. Other people manage just fine  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Akame 4,578]

Keyboard players suffer if they have to:
a) use ares (but most of these camp anyways)
b) use crusader
c) use hopper (luckily the od isn't directional like the above two)

On 9/5/2023 at 3:51 PM, Tekken8 said:

 

 

and btw to answer your question how to play and use supplies 

https://imgur.com/a/pLlAdoJ

In red - supplies

In yellow - goldbox (optional)

In orange - camera angles

In blue - overdrive

In green - keys to move your tank instead of arrows (or anything else you are using)  

Simple and effective. 

Mine for reference, H is my garage. My typical FPS game bindings are these, I cannot use number keys, I simply am too skill-issued to do so.

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On 9/5/2023 at 1:20 PM, Soothing said:

It's insane how people defends this mechanism of mouse control, despite the fact it's unabalanced compared to keyboard. You guys are the proof that you like to abuse mouse control and when we ask for a nerf, maybe a rebalance, yall find some excuses so you're going to keep abusing the freakin rotation turret (faster than crisis with speed boost) and the camera exploit. Very nice TO... Favorising an unbalanced feature, but what you're focusing is remastering ramps, billboard, etc. I can see that XP/BP is most likely impossible for keyboard users and Juggernaut being abused by mouse control too. Also why I'm not switching to mouse control? I have 10 fingers and I have no idea how to use the supplies with all my hand being taken to a respective keyboard.

Unless you play with a track pad. I have no words for blindness.

If you don't. What other games do you play on PC. No fps/rpg games?

On 9/5/2023 at 12:13 PM, Kimura said:

I absolutely do not care if it'll be a thing because i barely play this scam of a game. 

Lol

[Tekken 374]

On 9/5/2023 at 8:51 PM, Akame said:

 

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Very interesting, I dont have that many buttons on mouse just left/mid/right and two at the side but I was too thinking about idea that I put camera angles on that two buttons but you are at the different level   ODs and Mines on that  Mouse buttons are actually clever.  But that F button on DD uff I dont know if I would ever used to that, I am just  hardwired to F being  a Flag/Ball drop, also what does mean Standing ? I actually need to check all the keys if I am not missing anything Is there actually some "brake" feature ? I know that in past there was something like that ?? or maybe I am just confused. 

 

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

The issue is mouse controls.

I don't care one bit about mouse control users most of them are using it because of the floating trash cans which have a decidedly unfair advantage over tracked hulls, this is a fact. The entire set up of TO is geared towards making cash, so the devs will deliberately unbalance the game in whatever way they can in order to make players spend cash to be on a level playing field.

Mouse controls do have an advantage in general over keyboard alone but I do not think it was an intended deliberate advantage, rather it was to make controlling their legal hack floating trash cans easier. The flying monkey which was OP and got abused from the get go still has the ability to shoot at you from the top of buildings. 

I'm no fan of mouse controls but there are bigger issues to sort out first that have plagued the game in a negative way for years, issues that seem to get ignored in favour of multiple, unwanted and detrimental updates that just make the game less enjoyable and very frustrating.

Magnum's constant no damage.

Constant lag.

Notifications and players names obscuring everything in battle.

Changing equipment, or rather it not changing it.

Low ranks ranking far to quickly, becoming legends and basically useless canon fodder that get squished every other 5 secs. My solution would fix this.

MM.......

Turrets are no longer unique as everyone can duplicate the others supposed "unique" damage mechanic in battle.

Far to many augments which vastly complicate the game. Their solution to this problem was to get rid of some drones....

The devs could make this game far more enjoyable, balanced and rewarding but choose not to and we all no why.  

I like @Kimura now only play this game for something to do in-between work. I never, ever play the objective anymore and will not do so until this game changes for the better and the devs start listening to player feedback and tackle some of the issues that are destroying the game. Yes I will complete all missions and challenges,(free tier only) but on my terms and at my leisure. I never do those encore missions....complete joke, just like the 1 (NERFED) container for ranking.

Mouse control advantages are nothing compared to the huge amount of genuine fixes this game needs.

How about it hazel, you going to start taking into account the many negative shortcomings of this game and implement a few changes for the better.

 

 

 

[Son_Goku 514]

On 9/6/2023 at 11:20 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

The issue is mouse controls.

I don't care one bit about mouse control users most of them are using it because of the floating trash cans which have a decidedly unfair advantage over tracked hulls, this is a fact

Cool that you don't care about us mouse controls users, I don't care about you keyboard worshippers either.

There are more than enough players, including myself, who use mouse controls with tracked hulls, because these controls are just more comfortable for us. You guys are really good at throwing assumptions, I must admit.

 

On 9/6/2023 at 11:20 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Mouse controls do have an advantage in general over keyboard alone but I do not think it was an intended deliberate advantage, rather it was to make controlling their legal hack floating trash cans easier

You know, mouse controls were added in 2015, 6 years late by the way since the game released in 2009, and Hopper was released towards the end of 2020, so I doubt they added mouse controls just for these "floating trash cans". They added mouse controls because it's simply the standard of controlling your aim in games, and way more people are familiar with such controls, instead of having to press Z to rotate left and X to rotate right. Funny how none of you get that. If you ask me, keyboard controls should have never been a thing, mouse should have been the standard since day 1.

But indeed, there are (actual) issues that need to be addressed, instead of making mouse controls obsolete. Any kind of nerf to mouse controls will render them useless, and I don't think players would appreciate that.

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/5/2023 at 9:51 PM, Akame said:

Lol

When you get 1000+ score every match that translates to like 7k on the weekends earning 100k+ XP is a joke so don't see your point here. I'm playing more because of the build a dictator mini-game missions. before that i was getting a whopping 30k xp  a week.

On 9/6/2023 at 1:10 PM, Son_Goku said:

because these controls are just more comfortable for us

and i use Hyperspeed Thunder, Triplet Hammer, Hydra striker because it's more comfortable for me!

 

On 9/6/2023 at 12:20 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

I like @Kimura now only play this game for something to do in-between work. I never, ever play the objective anymore and will not do so until this game changes for the better and the devs start listening to player feedback

I play it when im extra bored of playing games that are actual games and not a casino but you dont win money. Last time i try harded the mode's objective was maybe in 2017? Now I camp or just decide to take my flying monkey out (Yup with keyboard controls. UwU made you cry? Gonna delete my comments again? Bwahahahaha) and just instantly crush enemy team. Fun.

On 9/5/2023 at 9:51 PM, Akame said:

Keyboard players suffer if they have to:
a) use ares (but most of these camp anyways)
b) use crusader
c) use hopper (luckily the od isn't directional like the above two)

If you suffer from using Keyboard controls on flying monkey hulls that's the definition of a Skill Issue lmao. Actually one of the only fun things left in this game is controlling floating monkey with keyboard. Yes I can do it perfectly same ol 1000+ score a battle. Yes it took me whopping 30 minutes to learn. Yes the mouse crybabies cried a whole ocean in the chat when they saw me. Yep they we're racist too lol.



Keep more entertainment coming!!! I love reading these comments where some mouse users try to pretend like it's not filled with unfair advatages but then the anothers just casually expose it. It's like the hiders hidding something on purpose.

[Maf 32,300]

On 9/6/2023 at 3:46 PM, Kimura said:

Keep more entertainment coming!!! I love reading these comments where some mouse users try to pretend like it's not filled with unfair advatages but then the anothers just casually expose it. It's like the hiders hidding something on purpose.

 I'm curious, are you just trolling for the sake of trolling, or do you genuinely expect developers to worsen the control scheme used by 99% of players (keyboard + mouse) in order to make it "fair" for the 1% of players (keyboard only)?

In a similar analogy, would you be happy if developers removed the ability to turn turret in order to make it fair for people that don't know how to (or choose not to) turn their turret?

[HEIDEGGER 36]

On 9/6/2023 at 3:41 PM, Maf said:

I'm curious, are you just trolling for the sake of trolling

Honestly I would expect a forum moderator of some 20k posts to know one when he sees one.

[Maf 32,300]

On 9/6/2023 at 6:00 PM, HEIDEGGER said:

Honestly I would expect a forum moderator of some 20k posts to know one when he sees one.

I like to give people the benefit of doubt. And I also enjoy active threads.

[HEIDEGGER 36]

On 9/6/2023 at 4:05 PM, Maf said:

And I also enjoy active threads.

This is one of the lowest quality threads in the forum atm. There is plenty of constructive criticism and suggestions you could engage with. Sus.  

[Son_Goku 514]

On 9/6/2023 at 1:46 PM, Kimura said:

Keep more entertainment coming!!! I love reading these comments where some mouse users try to pretend like it's not filled with unfair advatages but then the anothers just casually expose it. It's like the hiders hidding something on purpose.

No one is even denying that mouse is better, mouse controls will always be superior in any way to keyboard controls, because that's the way you're supposed to aim a gun. That's really all there is to it. In a shooting game, you just have the right to aim with a mouse.

If you choose to use the inferior option, it's really just a you problem.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/6/2023 at 6:41 AM, Maf said:

 I'm curious, are you just trolling for the sake of trolling, or do you genuinely expect developers to worsen the control scheme used by 99% of players (keyboard + mouse) in order to make it "fair" for the 1% of players (keyboard only)?

In a similar analogy, would you be happy if developers removed the ability to turn turret in order to make it fair for people that don't know how to (or choose not to) turn their turret?

I've seen alot of dumb suggestions on the forum over the years. And his case is pretty severe. So I do think that he genuine expects the devs to worsen the control scheme. I mean who else would be delusional enough to claim they get at least 1000 score per battle.

 

However, I wouldnt be surprised if the devs actually nerfed mouse controls and then locked the current system behind a paywall.

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/6/2023 at 6:32 PM, PirateSpider said:

I mean who else would be delusional enough to claim they get at least 1000 score per battle.

Yeah 1000 score in MM battle is just impossible.

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Got JGR 3 mins after playing with heal shaft.

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Firebird/Viking + JGR

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JGR

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Healing Shaft + Titan

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Healing Shaft + Dictator

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Yes it was somehow a MM battle. As you can see it has no timer at the end that pro battles have. By far the most competetive match i've had in this game combo used Burn Tesla + EMP Hunter + Trickster

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EMP Gauss + Hornet

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Healing Shaft + Titan

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Healing Shaft + Titan

The Score Per Battle average here is 1529.
Brother just get better lmao

On 9/6/2023 at 4:41 PM, Maf said:

I'm curious, are you just trolling for the sake of trolling, or do you genuinely expect developers to worsen the control scheme used by 99% of players (keyboard + mouse) in order to make it "fair" for the 1% of players (keyboard only)?

https://wheelofnames.com spin the wheel

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/6/2023 at 8:50 AM, Kimura said:

The Score Per Battle average here is 1529.
Brother just get better lmao

Well, good for you for proving that you do in fact get 1000 score per battle. Still doesn't change the fact that you're being delusional.

I wont even bother trying to get better at a game that has constant lags and bugs, emp AP stun and pulsar augments, crisis tryhards, augments that are too broken for the general use of the turret, etc.

If they fix all those issues at least, then I might consider it.

And honestly, I'd rather be a terrible player at this game than be someone that's utterly addicted to it.

[Akame 4,578]

On 9/5/2023 at 8:58 PM, Tekken8 said:

also what does mean Standing ?

That's my bad on the label it self, it's simple just the tab/score screen

 

 

On 9/6/2023 at 4:50 PM, Kimura said:

Yeah 1000 score in MM battle is just impossible.

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Got JGR 3 mins after playing with heal shaft.

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Firebird/Viking + JGR

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JGR

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Healing Shaft + Titan

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Healing Shaft + Dictator

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Yes it was somehow a MM battle. As you can see it has no timer at the end that pro battles have. By far the most competetive match i've had in this game combo used Burn Tesla + EMP Hunter + Trickster

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EMP Gauss + Hornet

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Healing Shaft + Titan

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Healing Shaft + Titan

The Score Per Battle average here is 1529.
Brother just get better lmao

https://wheelofnames.com spin the wheel

Lol, I have seen you play, and you pretty much just camp, why do you need to care for controls anyways if you usually sit on 1 spot a game and look in one direction? Some may call you a slightly smarter G-92. Those who know moment.

On 9/6/2023 at 10:20 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

The issue is mouse controls.

 

Magnum's constant no damage.

Constant lag.

Notifications and players names obscuring everything in battle.

Changing equipment, or rather it not changing it.

Low ranks ranking far to quickly, becoming legends and basically useless canon fodder that get squished every other 5 secs. My solution would fix this.

MM.......

 

Far to many augments which vastly complicate the game. Their solution to this problem was to get rid of some drones....

The devs could make this game far more enjoyable, balanced and rewarding but choose not to and we all no why.  

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Mouse control advantages are nothing compared to the huge amount of genuine fixes this game needs.

How about it hazel, you going to start taking into account the many negative shortcomings of this game and implement a few changes for the better.

 

 

 

Mouse controls hardly dents game balance itself. Please refer to the correct thread for the others though

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

On 9/6/2023 at 8:42 PM, Akame said:

Lol, I have seen you play, and you pretty much just camp, why do you need to care for controls anyways if you usually sit on 1 spot a game and look in one direction? Some may call you a slightly smarter G-92. Those who know moment.

Well use glasses next time cuz yes i do mostly camp because of you guessed it broken stuff that makes no sense and even though I camp i almost never "sit and look in one direction". I think the screenies are more than enough proof. I'd like to meet a camper who just sits in one place and gets nearly 2000 score in a MM match is it even theoreticaly possible with the way the game is structured lmao? 

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 9/6/2023 at 6:42 PM, Akame said:

Mouse controls hardly dents game balance itself. Please refer to the correct thread for the others though

I never said nor implied that mouse controls affected balance. I said they have an advantage in battle, there is a difference. A averagely smart person would have been able to distinguish between the two I guess your below average, you have my condolences, get well soon.   

As for "referring" to the correct thread. I will post what I want anywhere I want because referring "to the correct thread/topic" doesn't seem to accomplish much, so I post about the dire misgivings of the game at every possible opportunity while also discussing/commenting about the topic I am posting in. 

On 9/6/2023 at 10:20 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

Mouse controls do have an advantage in general over keyboard alone but I do not think it was an intended deliberate advantage

I see the word "advantage" written twice in the same sentence in connection with mouse controls, no sign of the word balance.

Maybe below average was a bit conservative.

[Akame 4,578]

On 9/7/2023 at 12:56 AM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

 

I see the word "advantage" written twice in the same sentence in connection with mouse controls, no sign of the word balance.

Maybe below average was a bit conservative.

Everyone here knows it gives an advantage, that was already implied. But if you think it must change, it clearly already has an impact on 'your view of game balance'.

 

On 9/6/2023 at 9:58 PM, Kimura said:

 I'd like to meet a camper who just sits in one place and gets nearly 2000 score in a MM match is it even theoreticaly possible with the way the game is structured lmao? 

Guess you haven't seen some of the TJR pheonix farmers when they get lobbies which simply allow for with ease, seen a bunch myself.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 9/6/2023 at 1:56 PM, MEXICAN-SKY said:

A averagely smart person would have been able to distinguish between the two I guess your below average, you have my condolences, get well soon.   

I got a question. When you say "averagely smart person", are you talking about today's society, or about a society that existed decades ago?

[NikmanGT 4,362]

Let's try to think in "Tanki terms", mouse control is available both for the F2p and the buyers, nobody forces you to either stay or keyboard or even make an imperial and sudden shift on the mouse, you're free to play however you like. Tracked hulls are still usable with keyboard and there isn't much disadvantage or maybe nearly 0 by not using mouse controls in MM. Things like faster rotation and fast movement can still happen with keyboard while using crisis.

For the ability to lock the camera and see the picture behind you, that doesn't happen every time. When you're using the mouse to drive, you see the path before you as to not collide on any obstacles, but if you're moving so fast then quickly locking the camera, looking back, then again moving forward again ? I am sure that case rarely happens.

Hovering hulls are perfectly suited with mouse controls, yet you can play with hovers while on keys, though it's somewhat difficult for me, I prefer hovers with mouse.

I think the OP solely based his topic from the XP/BP format, because while you're in MM, I can guarantee these listed advantages in the main post hardly affects you. A person on keyboard can easily kill a super speed flying hopper.

In XP/BP, the difference in mouse controls and keys is now drastic, because the former now gives you more time in reviewing the map, ability to see anywhere while moving due to camera lock rotation, and the perfect aim from mouse if you practice much. 

But then again, all these mouse advantages you talk about aren't really behind a tankoin paywall now, are they? NO, many people using keys from years have shifted to mouse because they found it better. Many people still play solely on keys, many still have keys+ mouse combo ( Like me, mouse for hovers, keys for tracked hull) and still all of them score good in MM.

 

On 9/6/2023 at 5:16 PM, Kimura said:

If you suffer from using Keyboard controls on flying monkey hull

How can you defend yourself from using these "cool-and-fun" hovering nomenclature, whereas every time I see you in DM mode or any normal game mode you're using a hovering hull yourself ?!

Its quite funny you see because here you act like hovering hulls made the game quite bad and classify people using them even worse, but yet you use it in MM all the time.

So that doesn't count as taking the advantage, or is it not an advantage because you don't reveal it here in the forum ?

If you think I am joking then I might as well start taking SS of you using hovers in the DM weekends, it won't be that hard, and yes I've seen you using mouse controls, so I think half of your points are now invalid.

On 9/6/2023 at 7:35 PM, Maf said:

And I also enjoy active threads.

Oh yes, dearly

[Hypersomnia 1,696]

I say, why don't we all just agree to disagree and end the argument in a civil manner, eh?

[Maf 32,300]

On 9/7/2023 at 3:53 PM, Kimura said:

I say, why don't we all just agree to disagree and end the argument in a civil manner, eh?

Good idea, Kimura. Let's do exactly that!  

I think it's clear that we have different opinions on this subject and no one wants to change their mind. The good news is that we include all ideas in our weekly reports, regardless of their status, so, there's a high chance that developers will get to see and consider this one as well. But beyond that, the decision lies with them.

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