Yeah, this what I've been saying, but most people just seem to give up and buy it. I will NEVER buy a good hammer modification, I still think the devs should just remove it and refund everyone who bought it. We already had rico, twins, isida, freeze, and firebird working in the same kinda range as thunder. I don't know what the hell it's supposed to do other than annoy the hell out of light tanks. Such a stupid gun. Destroy hammer, and bring some more long range turrets instead. Maybe a low, damage weapon with immense splash, now they've nerfed thunder's splash. Good for CTF's or gold hunting. I'd like that a lot.

I wanna mount something on my new viking M2, what should I get, thunder, rico or smoky M2?

Maths won't stop smoky running circles round you. Plus he forgot crit hits.

Thay have a saying, don't fix what ain't broken. You listening dev's?

Hahahaha -_- You just made a powerful enemy...

Newbie is right tanki has been ruined. RUINED! Hammer is so pointless, it basically just pumps more power into a gap filled by pretty much every other short to mid range turret in the game. It's just a way for rich players to continually pester the people who worked hard for their tanks. BOOOO! BOO BOO BOO! Now is the time for a revolution.

This is really just a matter of skill. I'm more talking about rail or shaft vs other turrets, not rail v shaft. In the rail v shaft scenario I agree, but at mid range a shaft can easily knock off a rail's aim. I can usually pop a shot onto a rail before they shoot.

It's a buff for first-time smoky buyers though, as the DPS seems much higher now. Say 1 in 5 shots for m2 smoky is crit, and they took the crit down by 15 pints. That's 15 less damage per 5 shots. Now, 4 in 5 shots are not crit (sticking with M2 smoky since it's the best for its rank). Now that's +7 damage for 4 shots. An extra 28 damage! Sounds like a buff to me.

DPS is also very low with rail, which is why you can't really go head on against someone with it. People mounting rail on titan or mammoth are foolish, since you'll probably get killed quicker than if you used hornet or wasp, since the whole point is that you duck behind cover before the enemy can get a shot on you. Heavy hulls only make you a bigger, slower target. Shaft on the other hand needs a mid/heavy hull, since you can't do much dodging in sniper mode.

Rail is not a proper sniper. Shaft does that 10x better. Rail is a mid to long range support weapon. Good luck using rail when shaft is bearing down on you. Pop out at mid range and decimate someone's health. This is the farthest you'll get with rail. As a sniper you can't utilise cover becuase you can't see through it. You generally can't one-shot most people like shaft can either, so you have to land 2+ long range shots on them. Rail can perform suprisingly well at mid-range, as the long reload gives you a chance to conceal yourself from the faster reloading mid range weapons.

Amen to that brother.

Woweee, I can't believe you guys are complaining about thunder. It now melts down light hulls as if they were never there. It's much better on sandbox and other small maps due to less self-damage. You gotta admit, it's kinda epic. No?

Fire M2 is still more OP than freeze M2, but I agree that freeze is way too cheap. Warrant 5 for M2 freeze?! That's insane. DPS makes it more dangerous against groups, but the hull rotation makes it suicide to attack an enemy firebird. Freeze is now more of an offencive than a defencive weapon.

#WRONG Maybe with medium hulls but wasp and hornet can easily keep their fire on an attacking freeze, and the action of burn damage and the still higher damage of firebird means even if you manage to kill a firebird, the burn will finish you off, unless you have another freeze standing by to cool you down. Fire is there for a reason. It is THE biggest damage dealer at short range. Burn is everything.

Ugh, bulldozer kit with M3 thunder is CRAZY. Incan no longer use hornet with much effectiveness while these menaces are roaming the field. Curse you, devs, and your cold robot hearts...

They've kept us waiting long enough. I say we need a good sale on May Day, nothing more. I don't really care about box increases or extra funds. I earned what I needed to earn because I expected a sale on May. If this doesn't come I will NOT be HAPPY.

Well, I know it's not really OP cus of the drawbacks, but I always get people complaining on sandbox. Mostly railguns who think they rule the world and are proud enough to go 1v1 against a firebird because they think they have divine protection. I melt them and laugh at them because rail is really not great for sandbox, and IDK why everyone insists on using it. I had my rail phase. Got over it. Now I earn twice as much XP as I did with rail. Fire does EPIC XP earning. It's only OP because people don't use it when they should. Everyone should have a decent mod of fire or freeze in their arsenal, but they think smoky or twins can fill the same hole when the truth is they just can't. As for hammer, I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's OP and needs a tweak, but the devs can't rewind too much or they'll look like they didn't know what they were doing.

Yeah, this is a definite boost if you're fighing mid-range, and less splash damage also means less self damage. Less useful for polygon, and probably lower DPS, but against light hulls this is a real buff. Smoky also got a buff if you ask me, since m2 hornet is a 4 shot with no crit. Pretty sure DPS is up too. Lower reload means knocking off a thunder's shot is more rewarding. Smoky is becoming more effective in my opinion, although until I get m2, it won't be my weapon of choice.

Nah, that's nonsense. 25% followed by 50%? Who would use the first sale?! This is nonsense.

Hahaha, freeze is now pointless. Same damage as firebird but no burn. Sorry lads, but I can roast you in your seats now since I have better range and better damage (inc. burn) and I can just turn super easily and cook you. Hahaha. Maybe you're having good results, but the damage nerf for fire wasn't introduced, and the extra burn is very helpful. Ain't been seeing any sucessful freezes out there.

Wow, that new thunder is super powerful. This was no nerf at all. Easily 2 shots my m2 hornet at M3, which sucks since loads of people got the special kit. Ugh. I doubt they'll be laughing on may day, when I get viking and smoky M2, and rain down critical dire upon them.

Well, fair enough, but this is tanki so the rebalance is a loooong way away. IDK what the update will be like but right now, point blank, fire should always win. What's the point in having a point blank turret with no freeze effect if you can't do the most damage? I hope the the update fixes this, but it ain't much consolation till it comes.

Yeah, well good luck knocking off it's aim with the firebird I always use ._. ?

And stop thinking you're better than me because you can highlight things in orange. I'm using a iPad and formatting is tricky.

Well, I GUESS THEY DONT NEED THEM... Whatever you say, I've seen a ton of players drug with hammer, and even without them it still 2 shots hornet which is ridiculous. And don't ask me to get a paint with hammer protection since I shouldn't have to waste crystals on something I shouldn't have to buy. Vulcan? Fine. It has enough drawbacks to keep it a relative rareity on the field. As for hammer, the drawbacks are a longish clip reload, which is still not much longer than railgun's reload. Anyway. I like tanki and the issue ain't that serious. I just wanted somewhere to moan about how hammer is OP and everyone will go 'yeah, it is' becuase that's true.