First of all, I said minus 40% damage, which shows how much attention you pay to anything. Second, my point was that I never get many kills at long range with thunder and never get killed at long range at thunder. On long range maps I use rail, which can easily destroy thunder at long range. At least in my experience. All I wanted to do was post my own personal thoughts on thunder, but you are clearly spoiling for a fight, so there, you have one. What exactly you're trying to acomplish is beyond me. You're a higher rank than me so maybe you encounter more M2 and M3 equipment. That's probably why our experience differs, becuase I have not lied to anyone here in what I have said. That is my experience. You haven't lived my life so stop arguing about things you don't have a clue about.

Clearly you use shaft, so you will defend it, considering that your idea of a fun game is killing light hulls who never had a chance. I dislike it not because of the concept, but because of how it's used. My experience with shaft is that you see it MUCH more on the low-level playing field than in higher-tiered matches. It isn't hard to get a K/D of over 10 with shaft on a medium hull and no skill. Maybe my statement was a little crass. Ok. Sorry for offending you, I guess, but I think it's crass when some inexperienced noob can 1-shot a skilled player fairly easily, or at least stop them doing what they want to be doing. M2 shaft is fine. They paid 100K crystals for the privilege, but M1 is too cheap. Better than most M1 stuff at half the price. The price should be put up to stop noobs getting their hands on it.

It always amuses me how people attribute so much thought to these things. In the field of battle, there are few decisions that people actually make. Where to hide and when to shoot covers 90% of them. Shaft user do not need skill. Fire and move. Fire and move. That's it. Rail takes skill, as the charge time makes it tricky to handle. Shaft is easy, but not a team player. Its a one stop sniper and nothing more. I use it to kill other shafts when they piss me off, and it works, because I'm better than them, because they always use shaft so have no skill. I use other guns as well, so I have some skill. Shaft is a walk in the park. I used to be a shaft lover. I wised up when I realised the game could be more fun. Railgun or thunder on a light hull is the best fun there is, since there's always something you can do. Shaft gets boring. It's just adding up numbers. Camp left for 10 mins. Kill 5 people. Move, kill another 5. You never get hit if you know what you're doing, but it gets boring. People don't like you, or admire your skill, because you're not showing any. Rail is more diverse and more versitile. So is thunder. You get to enjoy high damage, but you look impresive using it, because you actually move and think. You could probably program a robot to do a shaft's job. Rail however is a gun for people who think on their feet. Thunder is for the active runner, the agressor. For me, there is no comparison.

Hammer is just a noob skilless OP turret. I don't get it. There are enough mid-range turrets as it is, this does not fill any needed gap, instead just annoying tanki's seasoned players and mid fielders like me find it very annoying.

Twins kicks out a suprising amount of damage at M0, although I find it hard to understand why anybody uses it. It's tricky to handle, as the shots are slow and hard to land on a hornet or wasp (although I'm not experienced at using it, I find thunder to be a more effective mid-ranger).

I'm not a railgunner, I primarily use thunder, so stop pretending you know about me.

So I guess you just go round seeing if people have posted more than once on a thread. Equally creepy. Less understandable.

NOOB GUN ALERT Shaft should be removed. It adds nothing to the game and requires ZERO skill to use. This is a gun for boring people. Get railgun instead, you will be less hated.

Ugh, wasp is another one of those really annoying things in tanki, though I despise it much less than I despise hammer and druggers. Its a nightmare with railgun on top. It can shoot you at crazy elevation because when it stops the nose dives down much further than hornet. Still, I don't have a problem with wasp users. Once again, my real vendetta is against hammer. Curse you hammer and your cold, robot heart.

Dude, hammer is evil. Hammer user drug constantly and have killed everyone by the time they need to reload. It's not even short range. It can 2 shot a hornet from the other side of sandbox. I hate the thing. It should be removed. I know this won't ever happen, since the devs would be embarrased, but it should definitely be downgraded or it should only carry 2 shots in a clip and that clip reload be decreased. Either way, I'm fed up of being 1-shotted by trigger happy noobs in hammer.

Thunders damage - 40% is very weak, and I don't remember the exact number of shots but it was alot. I don't recall whether or not the hornet had thunder protection, so maybe that's why it took so long. Also it was inactive. That's how I landed so many shots on it, and I don't know why or how an inactive player would drug unless they were over a drop zone. Either way, you know what I was trying to say, so maybe stop arguing over details. My point was simple, thunders damage decreases with distance, which is something nobody can argue against.

Thunder is not a very versatile weapon. Capping flags with it is tricky, 'cus you can't really shoot at close range without self-damaging. Long range combat is out too, since the damage tails off dramatically at long range. I remember shooting at an M0 hornet in Monte Carlo, and it took me like 7 shots to kill it with M1 thunder. Really then, this weapon only works at mid range, with no real leeway, unlike smoky and ricochet which can operate at close range with relative ease. Why then, would anyone choose thunder? The simple answer is that the Damage Per Second at mid range is immense. I reckon it would only be surpassed by twins overall, (close range guns don't count, a clip has about a 10 second reload) and twins is a **** to handle. Thunder is the KING of mid-range DM. I used to be a railgunner, but at mid range, thunder tears railgun to pieces. It can even knock their shot off if you know what you're doing (which, for the record, I don't). Overall, thunder is a beautiful gun. The damage is monstrous and the reload is meagre compared with rail. Keep your foes at arms length, and be prepared to take some self damage, and you'll find your enemies typing swear words and accusations of noobery into chat before 5 minutes. What more could you want?

Rail's a funny one. The only real problem is the slow turret rotation and long reload, both of which make you a suck for ricochet and smoky, both of which can easily knock of your aim at close to mid range. If you want to keep your kills up, I'd go for thunder, but on maps like Monte Carlo, nothing comes close to rail, where peeking and shooting is king, and everything at close to mid range falls by the wayside.

Your humour is all very well but it doesn't quell the excruciating impatience that is driving me to play such time wasters as minecraft. I cannot bring myself to play any more tanki until a sale comes and I can get M2 stuff.

Ugh. No April fool's sale? This is getting PAINFUL. I want a 50%sale and I want it soon.

I'm hoping that they'll do a sale in may. I'm tired of waiting for M2 stuff, and from what I can see, people are getting restless. We need a good 50% sale, and fast. Hurry up devs! There's only so long a guy can wait!

I'm hopin' for a paints sale. They did this last valentines I think. This time I've saved enough to get tundra at 50% off. I know you probably find this less than interesting, but hey, it's what forums are for!